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posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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I dont want to argue with you guys anymore.

This is a friendy goodbye from this thread.

May you find peace and happiness.

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Update: Statement hereby retracted since thread has not died down like I had hoped it would.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by Skyfloating]




posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating

Sorry for being mean. I understand your frustration with my apparent ignorance.



Thank you for the apology. No hard feelings, and I have empathy for your frustrations as well. You will see even more disinfo, and misinfo being generated surrounding the topic of 2012 as the next couple years progress, as well as many people trying to make money off of it. This does not change the actual facts, just makes them harder to find.



Originally posted by Skyfloating
But the good thing is: Most of us will still be around ATS in 2012...I am looking forward to that year...


That is being a little presumptuous, and obviously your opinion.

I think that if major earth changes are to occur over the next few years, LARGE EQ's and increasing volcanic activity will be seen worldwide before the SHTF.

Please note for the record that the largest EQ in the past 50 years came in 2004 (It was a 9.0). In 2007 we saw more 8.0+ EQ's in one year (4 of them) than in any of the 50+ years preceding 2007. Since 2007, everything has been relatively within "the norm".

If in 2010 or 2011 we see numerous (call it 5 or more) 8.0+ EQ's, then it will be completely out of "the norm", and might be a good sign to what's to come. Now if by the end of 2011 or say the middle of 2012 we have not seen anything out of the norm in regards to large EQ's and major volcanic eruptions, then we will probably be in the clear and 2013 will just be another year.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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I didnt say you said that about the sacrifices, it was how it sounded to me when reading the post is all..if i mistook it i do apologize..
As for Sitchen, he doesnt give dates or push the 2012 theory, it seems to be more his 'followers' that do all that, but i have seen a few of his talks where it is certainly implied..and from what i have heard and read on this Planet X is a factor tied into the theory, and that he does endorse.
I don't really have any MEAT so to say, as i dont personally believe it myself, but i do think a likely theory is that of global ascension, an awakening, or 'graduation' of a sort into 4th density.. and even that i am not sold on, but it is, for me anyhow, more likely than it will be the end of the world in its entirety..time will tell of course, but i dont think the Mayan calander ending at that date means too much other than that they didnt complete it..and i do believe it has made a number of people really very wealthy and given others guru-like status..



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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Which brown dwarf star?

WORMWOOD.
This object goes by many names, the Egyptians called it the “Terrible Comet”
The civilizations of South and Central American called it the “Sky Serpent”
The Hopi Indians called it “Sasquasohah”
The Babylonians called it “Marduk”
The Chinese called it “The Red Dragon”
The Sumerian’s called it Nibiru or Planet of the Crossing.
Other civilizations called it “The Winged or Horned Disk”,
“The Destroyer”, “The Death Comet” among others.

Does it pass on the 23rd of December 2012?

NO- but a large number of people out there believe it will around that time.

What happened last time it passed?

A chronological summary of ancient accounts:
1. The sighting of a massive ‘red’ celestial object as it approaches the Earth.
2. The objects affects- causing earthquakes, volcanoes and violent winds.
3. The falling red “dust” (Iron oxide) causing the Moon, Sun and Earth to appear as blood.
4. The Hailstones of “Fire, gravel and iron.
5. The Sun, Moon and Stars appearing to move erratically in the Heavens.
6. The Deluge- the overwhelming floods that sweep across the land. (Great Flood)
7. The changing of positions of Sun and Moon changing day/night time sequences!
8. The destruction of civilizations and their ongoing cultures.
9. The great human migration foretelling their struggle to survive.
10. The destruction of ancient records/accounts/traditions-causing a “Blank Period” in Earth’s recorded history of humankind.

So its in 2011 and not in 2012?





What kind of changes do you see?

1) A large ‘celestial object’ “wormwood” traveling at incredible speed from deep space passes through our inner solar system.

2) As this immense ‘red’ object passes between the Sun and Earth, it develops a large tail-similar to that of a comet but much more lethal. As this tail sweeps across the Earth, a rain of ‘red dust’ and ‘fire’ falls from the sky, causing a conflagration to envelop the Earth. The ‘red dust’ (Iron oxide) makes the Moon turn to red, turn water to ‘blood’ and makes it look as if ‘blood’ has enveloped the land.

3) As this object quickly passes the Earth, its large gravitational effects cause the rotation of earth to momentarily stop, making the stars, Sun and Moon appear to sit motionless in the sky. As this object continues to pass the Earth, its gravitational effect ultimately causes a complete shift in earths axis of rotation-thus making the stars, Sun and Moon appear as if they are now moving strangely in the sky. In reality-it’s the Earth that’s moving –not the sky.

4) As the Earth tips over in space, violent winds from in the atmosphere and great stress is placed on the tectonic plates comprising the crust of earth, resulting in global earthquakes and numerous volcanic eruptions that send huge amounts of volcanic ash into the atmosphere. Both the volcanic ash (and the dust from blowing winds), eventually blocks out the light of the Moon and Sun altogether, turning day into night-causing darkness to envelope the land.

5) As the Earth stops rotating and then tips over in space, large volumes of seawater spill out of the oceanic basins, pouring in over the land- producing ‘great’ floods’ with giant waves (tsunamis) as “high as mountains” This principle can be simplistically demonstrated by filling a bowl full of water and then placing it on a flat table. Now quickly push the bowl away from you and see what happens. Water spills out of the bowl in the opposite direction from which the bowl is pushed. This is essentially what happens to the oceans when earths poles shift.

6) Once “wormwood” passes the Earth, which may only take several days, it would swing around the “Sun” and head back out into deep space-only to return again thousands of years later.

7) In the meantime back on Earth-the flood waters would begin to drain back into the oceanic basins (causing land to reemerge from the sea), the earthquakes would subside, the sun and moon would reappear in different places due to the new position of the Earth’s axis of rotation.

If you are among the survivors of this event, you would then crawl of your stronghold to an awful mess. Your civilization would be gone and you would have to “begin again as children”. You would tell future generations stories of a time when the Sun “changes directions” in the sky causing a “Great Flood” to envelop the land-destroying most of the old world and everything in it. The wildlife remnants and human survivors would once again have to begin all over.

If you were like the Maya, Aztecs, Sumerians or ancient Chinese, future generations might develop an ‘obsession’ with the motion of the heavens in order to be able to predict the coming of the next great ‘destructive cycle’.

If you were like the Inca, you just might develop a ‘doomsday anxiety’ using the ritual of human sacrifice in order to keep the Sun and Moon moving in their current direction this preventing a recurrence of the cataclysmic event from reoccurring. You would turn the land ‘red’ with human blood so the ‘celestial demon’ from above would not turn it ‘red’ with it’s blood below.

As days turn into years and years into millennia, the memory of the great ‘cycle of destruction” might begin to fade, or be forgotten again all together. But unfortunately, the return of this ‘celestial object’ and the destruction it causes is not dependent on human memory, belief or theories; it obeys only the destructive whims of the universe and cares not for human opinion. The (Brown Dwarf) object is on its own schedule- and will reappear with little warning and once again cause the end of another age/yuga.

The similarities in the “historical records” of ancient cultures cannot be denied. The fact that so many of the ancient civilization/cultures describe the passage of a terrible ‘red’ comet, bizarre motions of the Sun, Moon and Stars, similar geophysical upheavals, and ‘four” past cycles of destruction-is not coincidence. I will leave it at that for now but in due time will be releasing an entire website full of detailed information that gives you that the facts you need to hear and know. Continued.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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If there were, someone would have posted them here by now.


Do you believe that ATS members know everything and that if something wasn’t yet posted here then it simply doesn’t exist? I can assure you that you are missing a great deal of accounts/records, archeological discoveries and history then!


What event? And why would they be preparing for something that no ancient civilization ever made mention of?


The pass of “Wormwood” a brown dwarf star, that is the event and MANY ancient civilizations have written about it. A few mentioned above in my previous reply.


There are no "military documents" on 2012.


What makes you so sure about that? Are you also sure that high level government/military have not long been preparing for an event that they know will come? I can assure you that the governments have long prepared and I can say this with 100% certainty. I cannot share all that I have/know at this time in documents/information for obvious reasons.


I believe in a lot of things without needing any proof at all. But I least need a tiny speck of reason why something is believed. You - representative of many other 2012 believers - keep saying "all the evidence" without showing any.


You will have all the evidence you need if you check up on the websites. I have over 2000+ pages of evidence/facts and “proof” on a certain level given to me that I’m going through/organizing. I plan to put all of this up on those sites in due time. In the meantime I can provide you with a little more information: This is for those who know nothing about this object and have never heard about it. Some of you may be familiar with most of this and some of you may not. This is for those who are not yet familiar:

I would tell you that earth and all species are continually going through changes due to energy exchange/fields on a everyday basis coming from both within this universe and higher/lower dimensions right here on earth. I would tell you that all things happening are not based on the center of the Milky Way galaxy alone.

I would tell you that today, the science of astronomy is still in it’s infancy, I would tell you that earth knows little about it’s own solar system and even less about the universe at large. I would tell you that even the little earth does know (or at least thinks it knows) about it’s own solar system has only recently been discovered.

I would tell you Uranus was completely unknown about until higher powered telescopes were produced in 1781. I would tell you that Neptune wasn’t figured out mathematically until 1846, and Pluto until 1930. Astronomers still struggle to just identify objects within earth’s own solar system, it wasn’t until 1999 that Prospero, Setebos and Stephano, three of Uranus’s moons were discovered. In 2003 astronomers announced the discovery of three new moons on the Planet Neptune. The first brown dwarf wasn’t confirmed until 1995 and astronomers know very little about these objects to date.

After Pluto was discovered in 1930 it became evident that something was still out beyond it, several decades after this discovery astronomers continuously observed the outer planets of the solar system and noticed strange wobbles, behaving like something was pulling at them from deep space. (Something massive existing outside the solar system.)

Astronomers concluded that something else was out there, something extremely massive with an incredibly strong gravitational pull, perturbing the outer planets of the solar system. Astronomers labeled this unknown object as Planet X. (X) Simply stands for “Unknown” The ancient civilizations also misinterpreted this object to be a planet or comet having zero knowledge of what a brown dwarf is. Astronomers have since started looking at the possibility of it being a “Dark Star’ Due to it’s incredible gravitational affect it’s demonstrating on the outer planets.

In 1972 the Institute of Theoretical Astronomy in Leningrad used the perturbations in the orbit of known comets to help calculate this object. In the same year, astronomers at the Livermore Radiation Laboratory in California used the perturbations in the orbit of Halley’s comet and two other objects to also mathematically demonstrate the existence of this massive and mysterious object traveling outside the visible solar system.

By the late 1970’s, most astronomers had enough theoretical and mathematical evidence to be convinced that something was out there. Most astronomers then concluded the only thing left to do is identify this dark, mysterious object and determine its exact orbital track. Focus then changed to finding where this object was going/headed and when. Then in the early 1980’s the search for this mysterious object strangely escalated in intensity at NASA and other governmental institutions. In 1981 the following statement was made“Astronomers readying telescopes to probe the outer reaches of our solar system”

Dr. Tom Van Flandern of the US Naval Observatory states this objects path is highly elliptical like that of a comet. Throughout the early 1980’s NASA searched desperately for this object but could not find it even though they had powerful light gathering telescopes pointed in it’s general direction due to the object not emitting any visible light. On January 30th 1983 an article from New York Times states:

“Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some giant gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence that’s far away and unseen, a large celestial object that may be the long sought Planet X.”


Later that same year in 1983 NASA’s newly launched IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) spotted a large, dark, mysterious object coming towards us from the depths of space. Their discovery was mentioned in a 1983 Washington Post interview with the chief IRAS scientist from JPL in California. Dr. Gerry Neugebauer. The article states:


”A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion, by an orbiting telescope (IRAS) So Mysterious is this object that astronomers do not know it if is a planet, a giant comet, or a nearby proto-star (dwarf star) that never got hot enough to become a star.”


You will notice the object is unknown to them at this point and they could change the search from Planet X to Object X or (X) For Unknown. Pioneer 10 & 11 were eventually launched with intentions of detecting and finding what is out there, so what do you think they found?

Just to make this clear (X) simply means Unknown to astronomers, the object is not a planet but a brown dwarf. Contined!



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by Geladinhu
What you did was basically like discrediting Christianity by proving that the God that some people that call themselves Christians believe in can't exist.

Don't know if you understand what I'm saying.
You are saying that the phenomena doesn't exist basing your ideas on the ideas of other people about the phenomena.
That doesn't really mean much, not for me at least.

The world ending? Thats just a ridiculous and absurd notion that should be understood as a metaphor.
A symbolic date for a historical change? More likely.

We have a good case here of "I don't want to believe" in my opinion.

[edit on 13-10-2009 by Geladinhu]


Allow me..

By all means, no.

If people studied more on history they would actually discover that the arrival of someone influential, was a common expectancy. Christianity was not something that just happened because well Christ was born. there was great anticipation for that event. Take for example the Jewish religion, that was influenced and was also influencing other religions.

The 2012 "movement" compared to how Christ was anticipated feels like an anti-religion. It is precisely a non event, a feeling of waiting something to happen, not knowing what or when and how and all of that having a negative tone while there is no specific reason why should people logically feel this way.
If the PTB is aware of this "movement" and even decided to play on it, it would be because society evolution in terms of interaction and information sharing is increasing at an alarming event for them. They might feel like the time their mass manipulation mediums will start becoming irrelevant and no longer have the power to control So, what better way than to convince people that, any future plans of the people doesn't matter, information gathering doesn't matter. Planing for a change in attitude towards, life, society, each other, doesn't matter, since the "2012" will come and the world will end..

It is an anti-religion or the prelude for it.
Expectancy of negativity as a social norm.
A psychological show stopper. If psychology is positive you go out and make things happen, if it's not, you don't. Simple.
If they feel we are about to go out and make things happen, things that might signal their fall, simply it is better for them to convince us not to.
I am positive about this.

[edit on 14-10-2009 by spacebot]

A psychological show stopper.

Let us all reflect at the above words. Could it be?

[edit on 14-10-2009 by spacebot]



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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The Future is not fixed.


From human understanding/perspective/perception perhaps it’s not but from a higher perspective I can assure you it is.


What the Future is or is not, changes with every motion anyone takes.


What people do not realize is that motion they take is already known in advance!


Events in time are not strictly linear cause-effect but due to trillions of factors.


Don’t be so sure and this is all from human perspective/perception/understanding which is “Finite”. It makes sense to the human mind and is difficult to see/understand/realize due to the limitations put on the “Finite” understanding/mind.


Thats why there is no evidence that can be collected of what will happen in the future.. And people who "see the future" are merely seeing options/possibilities.


You are viewing things from a “Finite” human perspective/perception/understanding- try to think a little “Deeper” out of the box when it comes to “Time” which is simultaneously happening from an eternal perspective. If you were to go back in time let’s say a day before an event took place and announced what would happen the next day- do you believe you could confidently say that event would take place? In the same way that you can go back into time or the past on an event that has already happened you could also go into the future on something that has already happened.

Time lines or that theory is myth/illusions coming from human “Finite” understanding/perspective/perception- that is all people see but from eternal perspective “All that has ever happened within this universe has been seen before it happened” From human understanding perspective/perception man believes they are making/creating the future and “That is correct they are on a certain level through choices/decisions” however that does not mean that the future is not set in place and has not been seen/observed by those in much higher places where “Time” is absent and everything as an example is like a DVD where they can forward the movie and watch it all before it even takes place. (Knowing beforehand what choices man makes before man even makes them.) What man perceives and sees on earth is much different than the other side- Human understanding: Humans make choices and that affects the outcome or future and humans believe that there are many outcomes all depending on what choices humans make. That is true from human perspective because humans were born with “Time” and a “Finite” mind/understanding/perception on what “Time” really is. The Oracle knows when you will drop the vase so to speak before you drop the vase! The Teachers/ Designers/Creators know beforehand what choices you will make but that does not mean you do not have free agency or do not need to experience, live and make those choices only that the choices have already been made from eternal/higher perspective.

Humans only can see the past in their lives and present but not the future! “The future is un-written only from human perception/perspective” but “WRITTEN” from higher perspective because they have already viewed everything that will ever happen within what we call “Time” Anyone who believes that there is no way of seeing future events or knowing for sure what will happen that is thinking on a “Finite” level. Prophecy comes from higher knowledge given by those who know already what will happen and “Prophecy” is not speculation but knowledge of things that will come that are not seen/known to “finite” minds that only see past and present. If one pulls himself out of the finite “Box” and thinks from a higher perspective where “Time” does not exist then he will realize that all things are happening simultaneously and “Time” is nothing but illusion. Infinity cannot be comprehended fully by the human “Finite” understanding and mind. The human brain was designed/created/programmed that way. I cannot understand/comprehend infinity but that doesn’t mean I can’t say that I don’t know or I haven’t seen or I haven’t been to those places in the future and seen in advance what would take place just as someone could travel into the past and know what would happen.


Here you are implying that anyone who doubts 2012 hasnt researched it.


Technically I’m not a follower of 2012 as I do understand why such predictions/prophecies were made because there will be great earth changes in October of 2011 and 2012 is a new beginning forseen as a time of transformation. “A New Day, A New Dawn! “The Beginning of a New Era! Do any of these sound familiar?


Saying research has not been done is false.


With all due respect, perhaps you researched some things but you definitely missed a lot and so has most of the world as much of this has been kept unorganized in bits and pieces found here and there! There are so many archeological discoveries (Forbidden archeology) Forbidden history/knowledge so to speak. I cannot blame the world for being confused at this time and not really knowing what to think or believe. Hopefully the things I present will lead you in the right direction so you can find your own truth for yourself through your own research/decision making.


So you have a vested interested in it being true.


I have a vested interest in going out of my way for people spending my own time and money to help inform people that could save lives. Do you think some of the elite/powers that be/governments really care about what happens to the economy in the upcoming years? Do you really think they even worry about depopulating earth? They know they can’t save everyone even if they wanted to so why announce it and cause mass panic/hysteria/chaos? Depopulation is easy if that was truly the agenda by simply keeping important information back from the people but ironically it’s quite an opposite plan for the elite/powers that be/governments. They have been working as hard as they can to ensure the continuity of humanity, power/structure and government. Their attention has been in the direction of saving their own lives and power positions knowing what’s coming! “Wormwood” is not Fun N Games or a joking matter and it will come just as it always has in the past. Many prophecies have spoken about this and I will take the time to write share a few but cannot share everything here as it could take many pages but it will all be listed on the websites in due time.

Currently there are over 20 million global Internet references to the subject of Planet X, Wormwood and Earth Changes. So why are these topics getting a solid million hits every week? Seemingly, someone out there is listening!

King James Bible (Prophecies)

Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble; the sun and the moon shall be dark; and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

Joel 2: 30-31 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and the earth, blood and fire, and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood.

Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day.

New Testament.

Acts 2: 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day.

Mathew 24:29 Immediately after the distress of those days (Upon the brown dwarf’s pass) the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give it’s light; the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

Mark 12: 24-25 But in those days, after that distress (the passage), the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give her light; the stars will come falling from the sky, the celestial powers will be shaken.

Luke 21: 9-11 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines, and pestilence in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. There will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea (Due to gravitational influences when the brown dwarf is near) Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

Luke 21: 25-26

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Note: Notice the above scripture/prophecy clearly speaks of men fainting from terror and fear due to what they see coming in the sky. This shows many will not be prepared and forewarned in time. For those who are aware that these events have taken place in the past and are merely a cyclic event understand that these things must come to pass and are part of earths cycles. Those who are informed and aware will be able to deal with this passage mentally, physically and most importantly spiritually. To be forewarned is to be forearmed!

Revelation Chapter 8 Verses 10-12

10: And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the foundations of waters: (The pass of a brown dwarf star)

11: And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood: and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. (Toxic from the iron oxide)

12: And the fourth angel sounded and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars, so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Upon Wormwood's pass which is a brown dwarf star it will appear to burn as a lamp red in color with a red fiery tale full of debri, gases (Methane) and iron oxide, the moon will appear as blood due to the red iron oxide, the stars will also appear red and the sun will become darkened like sackcloth. The waters will be contaminated from the iron oxide and the earth will slow down and wobble to and fro, great earthquakes will take place and a pole shift will occur. (Some men’s hearts will literally fail them in fear)

Take Note: The passing of the brown dwarf is not the end of physical calamities it’s just the beginning.

Revelation 6:12-14 And I looked when he had opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great Earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of Heaven fell to the Earth, even as a fig tree casts it’s green figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. And the heavens separated as a scroll when it is rolled separately; and every mountain and island shifted from it’s resting place.

As Wormwoods passes a tremendous gravitational affect will take hold of earth, enormous physical pressure is placed on the planets crust causing massive earthquakes.
This physical pressure will cause some volcanoes to erupt. Volcanic ash will make the sun to appear dark in color like sackcloth.

The lithosphere of earth will begin to slide upon wormwoods pass as the gigantic tectonic plates compromising Earth’s continental make up commences to buckle and move. Block faulting begins to occur, as a result “ Every mountain and island will be shifted from it’s resting place.”

Earth is composed of several layers, the outermost layer is referred to as Earth's crust. The more technical name for this layer is the lithosphere. The surface layer is in the neighborhood of 30 to 40 miles thick and is mostly composed of solid crystalline rock. The next layer down is made up of a more fluid like layer of "Hot Molten Rock" and is known as the asthenosphere or mantel.

What actually can take place during an "Earthian Pole Shift" is that the most solid lithosphere (crust), slips over the more fluid like asthenosphere (mantel) a phenomenon known as "Lithospheric displacment" or the displacment of earth's crust.


Earth is in like an egg, with the shell of the egg forming the thin crust it's lithosphere and the liquid part inside represents the earth's molten mantel or it's asthenosphere. As an eggshell can spin independently over the liquid part of an egg, the earth's crust can also spin independently over it's molten mantel. In this slippage of the Earth's crust over it's fluid like inner layer that is the physical mechanism by which the planet actually shifts it's axis of rotation.

Iron oxide (red in appearance) dust from the surface of the Brown Dwarf will be blown by solar wind causing the moon to appear as blood. The above scripture is only a few prophecies coming from biblical source’s, there are many more prophecies that I do not have time to post at this time coming from many ancient civilizations and religions all having to do with the brown dwarf’s pass.

Most of them are too long to get into but you can do a search on them.
The “Our Lady Of Fatima Prophecy”
Veronica Lueken Prophecy:
Padrio Pio: Prophecy
Brigham Young Prophecy:
David Jevons Prophecy:
The Grail Message
Edgar Cayce
Ramatis
Egyptian,
Native American Prophecies,
The Hopi,
Islam Prophecy,
Kolbrin Bible,
Jewish,
Marry Summer Rain,
Sun Bear
James J. Hurtak, PHD (prophecy)
Nostradamus (some of his predictions coincide)
Mother Shipton,
Father Malachi Martin
The list goes on and I will leave it at that for now!
Continued!



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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Wormwood Prophecy,
www.milleniumprophecy.com...

The Physics of Destruction
(How the Wormwood Brown Dwarf Star Destroys Things When It Gets Here)

All bodies floating in space broadcast fields of gravitational waves but it takes quite a bit of mass before those gravitational waves become “significant”… are able to hold onto things. A gravitational wave-field reaches out in all directions in three-dimensional space but if a body in space is also spinning on an axis then something else happens at the equatorial plane of the spinning body (star or planet). The moving gravity field “distorts” time-space. As the rate of spin increases… change in angular momentum per unit time… the distortion of the affected local time-space “intensifies”. Where the distortion is maximal (around the “equator”… at a right angle to the axis of rotation) it is reflected back by the dark matter/dark energy of time-space (“Dark Soup” if you will) and stable tubular gravitational “node rings” will form… like invisible concentric “hula hoops” around the equatorial plane of that spinning body (star or planet). They may be invisible but they definitely are there. These stable concentric “hula hoop” node rings will usually fall within a few degrees of the equatorial plane and that’s where the planets will orbit around the sun. And for the planets, their gravitational node rings are where moons will orbit around planets. In short, a gravitational field of a body in space spinning on an axis is the basis for stable planetary orbits around stars as well as stable orbits of moons around planets. The size of the gravity field (amount of mass) and spin rate determine the reach (diameter) and the characteristics of the “affected zone” where the concentric planar node rings will form. The sun has a gravitational wave-field that reaches out into space for about half a light year in all directions but its mass and its spin rate only generate stable node rings out to about four and a half “light hours” of distance… the distance to the node ring of Neptune. Beyond that the outer planetoid bodies have different orbital configurations that are not guided by planar gravitational node rings. So the gravity field itself will reach out way beyond the “distortion zone” radius where the node rings are located.

Again, the gravitational node rings of the sun are where most of the planets orbit… from Mercury all the way out to Neptune. And the planets will have moons orbiting in their gravitational node rings. If the rate of rotation with respect to mass is slow then there might be one or two such gravitational node rings. If the rate of spin is faster and/or the mass is greater then more gravitational node rings will form farther and farther away from the surface of that star or planet. If the rate of spin is really fast compared to the mass of the star or the planet, then equatorial discs can also form as they do for the gas planets (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune… especially Saturn) in between the node rings. Saturn is large enough to hold 60 Earths… well… if it were hollow. It’s really BIG. But it only takes 10 hours and 32 minutes for one complete 360 degree rotation (Saturn is really “hauling a$$”). It does not dawdle. So its time-space distortion activity is way more “intense” than the pattern generated by Earth. That combination of heavy mass and very high rotation rate not only generates node rings for its moons but ice discs that span the space in between them. Anyway, mass that throws a gravity field plus spin rate determines the characteristics of the node rings and any disc formations.

Assuming Wormwood rotates on its axis… like all stars and planets seem to do… it will also generate a set of local concentric gravitational node rings based on its mass and its rate of spin. And because Wormwood is so heavy… 1/17th of a solar mass… it will be holding on to its gravitational node rings with really long arms… a radius that’s probably much larger than the orbital diameter of Mars. When it approaches the ecliptic plane of the solar system on its perihelion walk-through, its gravitational hula hoop node rings slice right through the middle of the sun’s ecliptic plane node rings like a table saw… a table saw with numerous concentric node ring saw blades that have space junk and debris embedded in.

the hula hoop cutting blades. Actually they don’t really “slice” each other the way that saw blades cut things. It’s more like they are trying to “bash” each other… like a sword fight with big round pipes. It’s a battle of gravity field distortion zones but the “cutting plane” geometry is analogous to a table saw.

Wormwood Nodal Rings

Wormwood in Solar System

During the years when it is making its trek out through the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud, Wormwood can grab ice chunks, frozen methane, comets and various other forms of space junk… whatever Mr. Kuiper and Mr. Oort have on the daily menu. And when it is cutting through the solar system within node ring range of the asteroid belt, it will also grab asteroids in its grip… if they happen to be available. If any asteroids happen to be just slightly out of good solid gripping range when Wormwood is bashing its way through the asteroid belt, it can still shove some of them out of stable orbit patterns and make them slowly spiral inward toward the Sun. Many of those displaced asteroids will slowly spiral inward toward the sun and some of them can hit the Earth a thousand years later long after Wormwood has gone back out toward deep space.

From the best that we can tell… without access to classified NASA and NSF (Office of Polar Operations) information… Wormwood approaches our sector of the solar system from the southern (hemisphere) side of the ecliptic plane along a planar line that stretches from June 21st (Right Ascension: 18 h) (Summer Solstice) orbital position arcing up over the center of the Sun then back down along Right Ascension: 6 h to the December 21st (Winter Solstice) orbital position… geometrically. In June the earth would be facing Scorpius and Sagittarius in the midnight sky… summer stars. In late December the earth would be facing Orion, Taurus or Gemini (the Twins) in the midnight sky… winter stars. (If you are from the southern hemisphere just use the months of the year.)

Wormwood’s orbit pattern approaches our sector of the solar system from the southern hemisphere side on the June 21st edge of the system. It comes up through the ecliptic plane from southern side to northern side between the solar node ring of the asteroid belt and the solar/orbital node ring of Jupiter but it stays firmly in its own elliptical orbit plane as it slices through the sun’s ecliptic plane in its perihelion arc over. If you look at the edge of that elliptical orbit you would only see a straight line… like looking at the edge of a sheet of paper. It arcs up over the sun (perihelion) and comes back down on the December 21st side of the ecliptic plane and cuts through again back down to the southern side. Geometrically the perihelion end of Wormwood’s elliptical orbital plane and the solar ecliptic plane intersect at right angles to form a line from RA: 18 h position on the summer side of Earth’s orbit through the center of the sun to RA: 6 h position on the winter side of Earth’s orbit. So use the Summer Solstice position (RA: 18 h… June 21st) and the Winter Solstice position (RA: 6 h… December 21st) of the earth to divide the solar system “down the middle” and that is the line that Wormwood will be using as it traverses the ecliptic plane during its perihelion walk through… the extended Solstice Line.

With a little study of the artwork for Wormwood’s perihelion arc over and its node rings you can see that its node ring cutting action remains “in plane”… Wormwood’s own elliptical orbital plane… but it is so heavy that its node ring arms can easily span the orbital diameter of Mars… and may very well span the orbital diameter of Jupiter. That’s a lot of diameter. It can be coming in on the Summer Solstice side (RA: 18 h) and it can reach all the way across the orbital diameter of the Earth to the Winter Solstice side (RA: 6 h) and hit us on the winter side even though it is still inbound on the summer side. It has really long arms holding onto its very destructive node rings. Its node rings can be cutting through our solar system at any time once it gets “within node ring range”. The question is where is the Earth when one of those node rings is cutting through the sun’s third node ring (where the Earth orbits)? If the Earth is fairly close to that extended Solstice line… on either end… when a Wormwood node ring is coming through “Earth’s sector of space” then the Earth gets hit with gravitational destruction. If the Earth is not too close to that Solstice line when a node ring comes through Earth’s sector of space then there is little or no destruction except for general gravitational stress… ex: when old earthquake fault lines that suddenly become active or when old dormant volcanoes suddenly become active… for no apparent reason… which is happening a lot in 2008 and 2009.

At this point I need to connect another conceptual dot to bring more clarity. When the Chief Physicist of the Universe was designing this universe one of the features that He built in was the fact that all waves “attenuate with the square of the distance”… they “lose their strength” the farther out they reach. This is true of magnets, water waves, sound waves, light waves and gravity waves. Magnets don’t reach out that far. If you put a few inches of separation between them they just sit there but close together is a different story. Listening to hard rock music full blast right in front of a 500 watt speaker system will make you go deaf. But even at full volume it is not as loud if you are three blocks away. The power of the sound wave attenuates (loses strength) at longer distances from the sound source. Drop a pebble into a glassy smooth pond on a calm day and the splash waves will be taller close to the pebble splash point but will flatten out and disappear 40 or 50 feet away. Yes. Bigger pebbles (rocks) make bigger waves that will go farther but the same rule applies. Eventually they flatten out and disappear. Light waves may go forever… until they hit something and get absorbed… but they keep spreading out as they go until they get so dim that you can barely see them. Gravity waves behave the same way. The farther away you get from a gravity source, the less gravitational attraction/pull that object has on you. And the reach of the hula hoop distortion wave of gravity is much less than the reach of the gravity wave itself. For example, the sun’s gravity wave reaches out for about half a light year in all directions but only four and a half light hours to the node ring of Neptune… the outermost planet carrying node ring.

As luck would have it, a similar kind of attenuation pattern applies to the clash of the orbital node rings when Wormwood is in the neighborhood… but for a different reason. Why? A spin generated gravitational node ring has a very short cross sectional diameter compared to its full reach ring diameter… like a hula hoop. Stand a hula hoop up on edge on the floor and it is usually about three and a half feet tall… max ring diameter. But if you cut straight through the hula hoop with a knife, the cross sectional tube diameter is only about one inch. The same kind of hula hoop pattern is true of the gravitational node rings for the Sun (where the planets orbit), for the planets (where the different moons orbit) and for Wormwood (where the space junk orbits). The max ring diameter of the outermost node ring for the Sun is about 9 light hours… the max ring diameter of Neptune’s node ring. The diameter of the Sun’s third node ring (where the Earth orbits) is only 17 light minutes (radius of 8½ light minutes). For Wormwood, the maximum radius of the outermost node ring looks like it can easily reach from one side of Mars’ orbit to the other… and might even span the orbital diameter of Jupiter. We don’t really know for sure because NASA and the NSF South Pole people won’t say… if they even know. But regardless of Wormwood’s max node ring radius, it is the much smaller cross sectional time-space distortion tube diameter that concerns us when one of its node ring tubes is in the neighborhood crossing hula hoop tube swords with the Sun’s third node ring… where the Earth is orbiting. And that’s good news because it means that any node ring sword fights between the Sun and Wormwood are usually fairly short. They may get very “intense” but they don’t last forever because Wormwood… and its node rings… continue moving along that June – December Solstice line as Wormwood comes through town on its perihelion walk through. So any clash of node ring tube swords will be limited in duration because the tube diameter is small compared to the maximum ring diameter… like a hula hoop.

Since Wormwood has a stable perihelion orbital arc it will always have all of its node rings clashing swords with the Sun’s node rings along the extended geometric line that runs from the June 21st midnight sky (Summer Solstice) position through the center of the Sun to the December 21st midnight sky position (Winter Solstice) on the opposite side… the June 21st – December 21st “Line of Destruction” if you will. If one of Wormwood’s hula hoop node rings is sword fighting with the Sun’s third node ring… on either end (June end or December end)… it destroys things here on earth IF earth happens to be “within the cross sectional tube diameter range” of the node ring sword fight. Ok, then what is the tube diameter sword fight range? Answer: About three or four weeks on either side of the centerline of the “Line of Destruction”. The farther earth is away from that centerline, the less effect a node ring clash will have. So the “Danger Zone” for the earth is centerline of that Solstice generated “Line of Destruction” (June 21st – December 21st) plus/minus about four weeks. There are large separation distances between the node rings of the Sun… where the planets are… so the same is probably true for Wormwood’s node rings… where the space junk is. You get a node ring slashing through along with some asteroids or space junk and then nothing for several years. Then along comes another node ring and then nothing for a couple years. The point is that Wormwood’s concentric node rings have quite a bit of separation in between them. But remember that Wormwood’s node rings can reach all the way over to the December 21st end of Earth’s orbit even though it is still approaching the solar ecliptic plane from the southern side on the June 21st end. It’s got very long arms holding those node ring tube swords… lots of reach.

When a node ring of Wormwood clashes with the sun’s third node ring (where Earth is orbiting) the battle of spatial distortions can get very “intense” depending on how close Earth is to the centerline of the Line of Destruction. The effects on planet Earth can be very messy. It can make entire tectonic plates shift positions and slide around on the plastic mantle underneath. Part of the credit for the easy slip and slide goes to the Mohorovičić discontinuity that is situated between the lithosphere and the mantle underneath. The time-space distortion stresses on the tectonic plates can split continents in half. They can pull/push the plates in various directions. Wormwood’s gravitational grip can reach down through the Earth’s surface layer… the lithosphere… and rearrange the plastic mantle underneath with major bulges or depressions causing entire sections of the lithosphere to rise or fall depending on how the mantle is reshaped… producing “block faulting” in the plates or in sections of the plates that “float” on top of the affected area of the mantle. Its node rings can reach through the Earth and pull islands or continents down under the ocean (Atlantis). They can pull continents or islands up out of the ocean. They can do both simultaneously. You can imagine the earthquakes, volcanic activities, tsunami activities that can happen. Wormwood can radically change large portions of the Earth’s surface geography in a single day. And if any of the asteroids it is holding happen to transfer to planet Earth, the blast of the impact destroys anything and everybody within the “kill radius”. Ocean impacts can deliver massive shock waves that send 1000 foot tall tsunami waves heading toward the coastlines of any island or continent within range. If a ten foot tsunami is headed your way you might be able to climb a nearby tree or hill of some sort. If a 1000 foot tsunami is bearing down on you, where can you go? One minute after it hits your location your body is rendered into hamburger in all the debris.

There is one other way that Wormwood causes massive destruction besides the gravitational damage it can do to Earth’s tectonic plates. The ancient civilizations were deathly afraid of the specific time that it made its “crossing” from southern hemisphere space into northern hemisphere space. Why? Answer: Wormwood’s atmosphere is a methane atmosphere. When it is traveling out through the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud it picks up generous tonnages of methane ice. Its hot surface is quite capable of melting the methane ice and rendering it back to gas. When Wormwood gets close enough to a planet it can “contribute” billions of tons of methane gas to any planet that happens to be within “atmospheric range” and is ready to receive the “contribution”. If Jupiter happens to be near the “line of destruction” it probably helps itself to more than its share because of its great mass and its close orbital proximity. The same would apply… to a lesser extent… to Mars and Saturn. But Jupiter already has a lot of methane gas in its atmosphere. So does Saturn. So methane gas doesn’t mean much to them since they are already well supplied. Mars has a CO2 atmosphere and a greatly reduced gravitational pull so any methane it collects from Wormwood tends to migrate to its very thin upper atmosphere and wisp back off into space. Methane is hard to hold onto. It takes a pretty good gravity pull to hang onto it. Even Earth’s gravity is not quite strong enough to hold onto methane gas permanently our methane is constantly “bleeding off” back to space from the upper ionosphere. And it doesn’t matter if the source of methane is termites, ants, cows, people or leaking oil well pipes. Methane is a light gas. Here on Earth it will slowly migrate to the upper atmosphere and eventually exit the atmosphere for space.

But when Wormwood is in the neighborhood and is throwing billions of tons of methane around, if Earth happens to be within “atmospheric range” of Wormwood’s methane atmosphere, the result is not good. Earth supplies oxygen to mix with the methane (natural gas) and when Wormwood adds in red hot pellets of rock, pieces of asteroid(s) and any other pieces of solid space junk it might have in tow, the result is literally fire raining down from the sky. Consider the description supplied to us in Revelation 8:7 The first sounded, and there came hail and fire, mixed with blood, and they were thrown to the earth; and a third of the earth was burned up, and a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. At first blush, the description seems symbolic. But if you consider the physics, the gravitational node rings with all sorts of embedded/entrained space junk, the chemistry, the mixing of methane and oxygen… all the stuff that Wormwood brings with it when it arrives… a better interpretive approach would suggest that the description is in fact very literal. The Revelation is telling us that when Wormwood gets within atmospheric range, ice chunks (water and methane), methane gas (billions of tons of it), and iron oxide powder (billions of tons of it) will all be thrown to the earth. The little rocky pellets will glow red hot as they fall through earth’s atmosphere and the mixture of Wormwood’s methane and earth’s oxygen will mean that fire is raining down from the sky. And the iron oxide will probably look similar to blood when it is poured into water… when it first starts to mix in with the water. Suddenly the description seems very literal indeed. But look at the size of the affected area… a third of the earth was burned up. The interface between the spheroid shape of Wormwood’s atmosphere and earth’s spherical surface can be as large as one third of the surface area of planet earth. That is an extremely large affected area. And within the affected zone, one third of the trees are burned so badly that they are destroyed… rendered lifeless. Also, close to 100% of the green grass in the affected zone is completely destroyed… rendered lifeless… so that it cannot recover. Basically, anything or anybody caught out in the open inside that one third area of earth’s surface is incinerated… well… cooked for a while. It is NASTY and VERY DANGEROUS! And it can affect a larger area of the earth because the earth rotates on its axis while Wormwood throws billions of tons of methane into our atmosphere. The fire can rage for many hours. That’s a lot of very nasty destruction. The Revelation says that one third of the surface of the earth will be incinerated. That’s a lot of surface area.

No wonder the ancient people were so afraid of Wormwood when it started a crossing event through the ecliptic plane… especially on the inbound side. Anyone caught out in the open when the fire rained down on the affected zone of the Earth was burned to death. And anything combustible was incinerated. That’s why the 20,000 grave sites near Bab edh-Drha were filled with half a million burned bodies. When Wormwood rained fire down from the sky all those people got caught out in the open. Without adequate heat shielding (caves or cellars) they were all burned to death. And those underground facilities of ancient Derinkuyu, Cappadocia (Turkey) suddenly make a lot more sense too. With several square miles of underground rooms, tunnels and water supplies… enough for roughly 200,000 people… they would have been able to survive the fire raining down from above when Wormwood was in the neighborhood. Burned villages up on the surface could be rebuilt fairly quickly but lives were a little harder to replace. And Cappadocia was not the only place that prepared underground tunnels and dwelling places. High tech versions of underground complexes have been found in Brazil, Peru and Nicaragua in the western world. Some of the South American tunnels are big enough to drive trucks down into them. Some of the walls are lined with obsidian glass which tends to suggest that they were cut or sealed/treated with some kind of laser equipment. Other ages and civilizations besides Cappadocia have had to deal with Wormwood’s fire breathing ways. The only way to survive fire raining down from the sky if you are in the affected zone is to get some form of heat shielding between you and the fire. If you don’t, you are burned alive when the fire storm arrives. Even three or four feet of dirt can shield you from the flames but getting caught out in the open is a death sentence…a bad one.

(Note: In The Millennium Prophecy we develop the points of evidence that suggest that Wormwood is already closing in on our solar system with destruction in its hand. The case is very compelling.)

Now connect the dots from these different pieces of evidence: 1.) Jesus Christ, the Designer and Builder of the Universe, personally states for the record (in The Revelation) that Wormwood (a star) does indeed exist and that it is coming our way. It will effect physical/judgmental changes here on the earth when the proper time comes… the “end times”. 2.) Hidden/forbidden archeology and geology suggests that these types of destruction events have happened before many times and uniformitarian science cannot properly explain the available physical evidence (anomalies) here on earth. 3.) An inside military source admits anonymously that Wormwood is indeed there. It follows an elliptical orbit mostly on the southern side of the ecliptic plane and crosses over into the northern side above the ecliptic plane on perihelion arc over. It is very heavy… about 60 times Jupiter’s mass… and has a methane atmosphere. Its outbound ecliptic crossing is December 21, 2012. 4.) Text book celestial mechanics would tell us that an orbiting body with that much mass will have a long gravitational reach, it will spin on an axis (like stars and planets all seem to do) and will generate a set of node rings in the affected time-space perpendicular to the axis of rotation. With 60 times Jupiter’s mass, the gravitational node rings will easily span the orbital diameter of Mars and possibly even Jupiter. 5.) Measurable orbital deflections/perturbations have been observed in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune since 1821… orbital deflections/perturbations that should not be there but they are. The deflections are larger near the extended line of the Summer Solstice side of Earth’s orbit based on proximity. 6.) NASA claimed to have found a possible target location for a “Planet X” but very quickly realized what it meant and began a systematic cover-up of the real evidence. And as we will see in the material following, the continuing actions of NASA and the NSF suggest that a dangerous orbiting body is indeed approaching and is coming up from the southern side of the ecliptic plane. 7.) NASA enlisted the aid of the media to deliberately misinform the public about the danger. They LIED to us. And they did it while being supported by taxpayer money. 8.) Dr. Robert S. Harrington (astronomer/physicist) was able to tell the correct general direction to search for a “Planet X” based on the historical physical deflections (perturbations) in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. With 330,000 mathematical iterations he determined with 5:1 odds that such a body would be coming from the southern side of the ecliptic plane on the Summer Solstice side of the solar system because that was the direction from which the gravitational force was pulling on those planets when they strayed off their normal orbits. 9.) The December 26, 2004 Sumatra earthquake continued for 10 minutes rather than 30 seconds or a minute. When the shaking was finished the whole island had been moved 110 feet from its former location. The deadly tsunami that followed killed about 225,000 people. The December 26th orbital position of the earth on that date was only five days off of the Summer/Winter Solstice line… the Line of Danger. 10.) The August 15, 2007 earthquake in Peru lasted for three minutes (continuous) once it got started. The “epicenter” was slightly more southern latitude than the 2004 Sumatra quake and Peru was on the correct side of the earth (time of day: 18:40 hrs) for a “glancing blow” if a Wormwood node ring was coming through along the Line of Danger (the Solstice line). 11.) NASA and the National Science Foundation (NSF) are tracking Wormwood’s inbound approach with the newly assembled South Pole Telescope… material we shall be addressing shortly. And there are cover story lies for public consumption so that they do not have to reveal the truth. They’re still at it… lying to the public.

Based on the description of the events associated with Sixth Seal (Revelation 6:12 – 14), I would estimate the time for the next nodal ring clash for planet Earth at June 21, 2009 plus/minus a few weeks on either side. The closer Earth is to the June 21st Summer Solstice “Line of Destruction” when the node rings cross swords, the more destructive the events will be. The Revelation description is not very encouraging. Rev 6:12 – 14: (12) I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; (13) and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. (14) The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Let’s go over the list and make physical interpretations of what we can expect .

1.)a great earthquake… The node rings of the sun and Wormwood clash with world wide tectonic shaking lasting 10 or 20 minutes (maybe more) of continuous shaking, major destruction of cities around the world, and possible tsunami events after the earthquake.
2.)the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair… We get volcanic activity at tectonic plate edges… rims of fire that eject high tonnages of ash plume into the upper atmosphere that block out the sun light over large areas of the earth. (And the hair being referenced would be black hair common to people of the Middle East not blond hair found in more Nordic people.)
3.)the whole moon became like blood… Wormwood throws large tonnages of iron oxide dust and debris between the Earth and the moon or into Earth’s atmosphere. When we look through the veil of iron oxide dust, the moon takes on a blood red color.
4.)the stars of the sky fell to the earth… Wormwood throws asteroids and various forms of space junk into Earth’s atmosphere that impact on the surface as meteorites. Expect some severe tsunami events if there are impact pieces landing in the ocean that are of significant size.
5.)the sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up... At least one of the volcanic eruptions will be a large pyroclastic explosion… a volcanic cone that will “blow its top” like Mt. St Helens in May, 1980. The blast concussion feels like the sky is “splitting apart” anywhere within sound range of the cone. The curling action of the mushroom cloud when viewed from below looks like a scroll when it is allowed to spring back into the rolled up position. The description seems a little odd but St. John was a first century writer and he used a word picture of something that was familiar to describe a mushroom cloud… something he had never seen before. Expect more volcanic explosions as Wormwood approaches. There might be several volcanic mounts that erupt explosively like Mt. St. Helens did but there will be at least one.
6.)every mountain and island were moved out of their places… Tectonic shifting from the Wormwood node ring earthquake will shift the mountains and islands into different places. Displacements may be measured in tens or hundreds of feet of difference but the shifts will be measureable with modern surveying equipment. If any of the GPS satellites are still up and running after this assault from outer space, the measurements can be made easily and with accuracy as close as 10 centimeters. If the GPS system is destroyed we might have to do it the old fashioned way with ground based surveying equipment but the results will show that many of the known positions for mountains and islands will in fact be displaced to new positions. Again, with major earthquake activity and island movements expect severe tsunami events to follow for various coastal cities.

Because of its mass, methane atmosphere, gravitational node rings (and their associated debris), Wormwood can cause tremendous upheaval for Earth depending on how close the Earth is to the Solstice based “Line of Destruction” when the node rings come ripping through our sector of the solar system. The closer Earth is to Solstice plane of Wormwood’s buzz saw node rings, the worse the destruction will be. Its gravitational gripping force is strong enough to be able to torque the Earth’s crust (lithosphere) right over on its side. And those gravitational node rings are oriented at 90° to the gravitational rings of the sun’s ecliptic plane. Each time these gravitational nodal rings cross swords there are repercussions in the fabric of the time-space for any planet orbiting near those locations… including Earth. It’s like a sword fight with two live running solar system chain saws. Sooner or later something bad is bound to happen. Wormwood can elevate whole continents thousands of feet right up out of the oceans by virtue of the plastic distortions it can cause in the mantle under the Earth’s crust. It can cause entire continents or chains of islands to disappear below the ocean waves… again, by virtue of its influence on the mantle under the Earth’s crust (lithosphere). It can rip continents in half. It can create mountains where they did not exist before. It can flatten down mountain ranges or submerge them under the oceans. It can slide the tectonic plates around… shove them together… pull them apart… and trigger tsunami events with ocean waves over 1000 feet tall that run inland for hundreds of miles… and don’t forget associated earthquakes and volcanic activity around tectonic plate edges. It can put Brazil at the South Pole… South Africa at the South Pole… Canada at the North Pole. It can move the Earth’s magnetic poles around. It can reverse the rotation of the Earth so that the Sun rises in the west and sets in the east… or vice versa. It can stimulate massive outbursts of solar activity so that our Sun begins to trigger large Coronal Mass Ejections… bursts of heat and radiated particles. If it gets close enough, it can pour methane gas down on our oxygen atmosphere and literally rain fire down on us from above. Since it has so much iron oxide dust, it can throw millions of tons of red dust on us as well as meteorites, comets or asteroids or any other space junk that it might have in tow. And don’t forget the nasty Vasopressin type chemicals that can trigger extreme aggression in man and in animals… just for fun. If I had to guess, I would say that Wormwood is largely responsible for the shape of Earth’s continents and its 23.450 axis tilt… which determines our seasons and most of our annual weather patterns.

If any of this is beginning to sink in as you think about it, you can see that when Wormwood arrives it can bring civilization… any civilization… to an abrupt halt and there is nothing that anybody can do to stop it. Its destructive power makes the Revelation judgment events seem very ominous. When the Wormwood judgments arrive they will be very bad indeed and a lot of people are going to die.

Anyway, the reason for this little side trip is to point out that the Revelation descriptions are indeed accurate. The prophecies about the Wormwood judgments are true and they refer to real physical events that will actually happen on a fairly strict timetable when the proper time arrives. As we have seen in this section, Wormwood is capable of delivering extreme destruction while it is still a long way off. It has very long node ring support arms. The node rings deliver the initial destruction. Then when Wormwood gets closer in, its atmosphere can rain fire down from the sky… which it will do… probably in June of 2010. Then it will arc up over the Sun (perihelion) and begin making its return (outbound) pass/crossing through our solar system on or about December 21st, 2012… the same date as the end of the Mayan calendar. On December 21, 2012 Wormwood will hit the earth with a nasty node ring right down the middle of its orbital path. It will radically alter earth’s physical/surface features and all the maps of earth will have to be redrawn. Revelation 16 describes the outbound event list.

When Wormwood gets closer to the earth it becomes visible via the reflected rays of the Sun. It should have a red-orange color… complements of its iron oxide composition. But even when it is not visible… as it approaches but before it gets here… it can still have profound effects on the earth’s weather and seismic activity because its node rings can reach out for such long distances. Remember, this thing is heavy enough to torque the crust of the earth right over on its side… with massive tsunamis when the lithosphere slips. It can rip continents in half, elevate continents thousands of feet up out of the ocean beds or sink whole continents and mountain ranges under the waves because of the plastic distortions it can produce in the mantle under the earth’s lithosphere (crust). It is so heavy that can cause profound destruction whenever it comes through our solar system (inbound or outbound) and the amount of destruction here on earth depends on how close the node rings are to the earth when they bash their way through the earth’s orbital node ring (the sun’s 3rd ring). If a Wormwood node ring cuts through the solar node ring where the earth is orbiting and the earth happens to be eight weeks or more away from that ecliptic orbital position, we might get some bad weather and some earthquakes. But if earth is within a week of the Solstice centerline when one of Wormwood’s node rings comes through, then the earth and its people get CREAMED… royally. Inbound approach and outbound departure each give Wormwood four chances to cause major destruction and loss of life… eight in all. And it can literally rain fire down on us from the sky by throwing millions of tons of methane gas into our oxygen atmosphere and then lighting it up with pieces of micrometeorite pellets glowing red hot as they enter our atmosphere. Wormwood is dangerous and very nasty when it cruises into town for a perihelion visit.

Devastation of Wormwood
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As I write this material in December, 2007, (updated in March/April, 2009) the Wormwood brown dwarf star is already having profound effects on our weather and on Earth’s seismic activity. The August, 2007 earthquakes in Peru and the Sumatra quake in 2004 were the early node ring arrivals. Wormwood is also causing changes in sun/solar wind activity so that more frequent storms, tornadoes, tsunamis and hurricanes are happening as well. Old fault lines in the lithosphere are being stressed and earthquakes are happening in various places where there has been no seismic activity for centuries. Wormwood’s destructive powers are not a trivial thing. As a dark body star it is very heavy and it causes problems when it is in the neighborhood. It is causing problems now… even before it “arrives” visually. Wait till it gets up close and personal. The destruction will be unlike anything modern mankind has ever seen before… and uniformitarian science will have to rethink its assumptions… if any of those types of “scientists” are still alive when the iron oxide dust settles. Continued.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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In order to understand what a brown dwarf is, we need to understand the difference between a star and a planet. It is not easy to tell a star from a planet when you look up at the night sky with your eyes. However, the two kinds of objects look very different to an astronomer using a telescope or spectroscope. Planets shine by reflected light, stars shine by producing their own light. So what makes some objects shine by themselves and other objects only reflect the light of some other body? That is the important difference to understand and it will allow us to understand brown dwarfs as well.

As a star forms from a cloud of contracting gas, the temperature in its center becomes so large that hydrogen begins to fuse into helium releasing an enormous amount of energy which causes the star to begin shining under its own power. A planet forms from small particles of dust left over from the formation of a star. These particles collide and stick together. There is never enough temperature to cause particles to fuse and release energy. In other words, a planet is not hot enough or heavy enough to produce its own light.

Brown dwarfs are objects which have a size between that of a giant planet like Jupiter and that of a small star. In fact, most astronomers would classify any object with between 15 times the mass of Jupiter and 75 times the mass of Jupiter to be a brown dwarf. Given that range of masses, the object would not have been able to sustain the fusion of hydrogen like a regular star; thus, many scientists have dubbed brown dwarfs as "failed stars". These objects emit little to no light and are extremely difficult to be detected. Only those with the proper equipment could find such objects.

In 1995, astronomers have been able to detect a few nearby brown dwarfs. All of the brown dwarfs discovered so far are parts of a binary system. A binary system is one in which two stars orbit around one another (just like the planets of our solar system orbit our star, the Sun). This is why "Wormwood" the brown dwarf "failed star"is due to return around the "Sun" as it's on a highly elliptical orbit like other familiar comets we know such as Haley's comet and many others that return over longer periods of time some of these objects thousands of years on highly elliptical orbits.

To sum up the question with an answer: Brown dwarf stars can only be detected by very sophisticated equipment, for example the NASA "Hubble" could detect a brown dwarf star. Not everybody has access to this equipment and it's of course controlled by NASA/projects/government. The Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) can detect brown dwarfs and incoming classified objects. South Pole Telescope (SPT) in Antarctica. Once again most astronomers out there do not have access to such equipment. In fact Pioneer 10 & 11 were sent outside the solar system in order to detect such objects, so we can see that it takes highly sophisticated equipment to detect brown dwarfs and this is the very reason why astronomers never could find them until the first one could be confirmed in 1995 with sophisticated equipment that is owned/run by NASA/projects/governments.

The Vatican has such equipment.
The Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope, aka the VATT, is a 1.8 meter Gregorian telescope observing in the optical and infrared. It is operated by the Vatican Observatory located in (Arizona). I have no doubt the Vatican is in the know among others out there. The knowledge/information is being highly controlled/contained in the name of I.S. international security! Can it be kept from scholars, astronomers, scientists, academicians of the world and the masses. Absolutely and there is much more being controlled kept back from the public. Forbidden knowledge/forbidden archeological discoveries among many other things. If the world was to find out all the things kept from them they wouldn't believe it even if some of the governments came clean and admitted it. If it was plastered all over the newspapers and on the news people would still not believe it and think it's a joke!

J. Edgar Hoover quote: "The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."

One would be surprised to find out the kind of things that can easily be kept hidden/secret from the academician's and the masses. If they do not have access to the information/knowledge they are left in the dark just like the rest of everyone. Remember only 14 years ago the first brown dwarf was officially discovered.

I recommend reading this thoroughly for more information on brown dwarfs it gives out a lot of good information to better understand what these objects are exactly. For the biblical scholars interested- investigate what would happen if a brown dwarf object was on a highly elliptical orbit around the "Sun". When this celestial object returns what could earth expect? Read the book of Revelation prophesies of what "Wormwood" is expected to do upon passing and you can match it directly up with the "Red Iron Oxide" gases that would ignite, moon turning to blood, sun darkening and so on. There are many others who have prophesied of future events revolving around this cyclic event from ancient civilizations to Nostradamus to many others. There is physical evidence that this has happened many times in the past. You can start doing your own research and find it all on your own. Investigate ancient civilizations (underground shelters/hideouts/cities) among cities discovered under the sea! Look into ancient text and see what the ancients/ancestors had to say about this event. It is spoken of by many ancient civilizations all describing this same event from many different lands. If one diligently seeks to find this information they can find it.

Read this on brown dwarfs!
en.wikipedia.org...
Cointinued.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 08:59 PM
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As the earth starts wobbling or shaking this is when a displacement of the earth's crust will occur to be more specific:

Earth is composed of several layers, the outermost layer is referred to as Earth's crust. The more technical name for this layer is the lithosphere. The surface layer is in the neighborhood of 30 to 40 miles thick and is mostly composed of solid crystalline rock. The next layer down is made up of a more fluid like layer of "Hot Molten Rock" and is known as the asthenosphere or mantel.

Earth is in like an egg, with the shell of the egg forming the thin crust it's lithosphere and the liquid part inside represents the earth's molten mantel or it's asthenosphere. As an eggshell can spin independently over the liquid part of an egg, the earth's crust can also spin independently over it's molten mantel. In this slippage of the Earth's crust over it's fluid like inner layer that is the physical mechanism by which the planet actually shifts it's axis of rotation.

What actually can take place during an "Earthian Pole Shift" is that the most solid lithosphere (crust), slips over the more fluid like asthenosphere (mantel) a phenomenon known as "Lithospheric displacment" or the displacment of earth's crust.

I wish I could say this event wasn’t going to happen but that won’t change the fact and reality of it being true in my mind knowing what will happen already. I quite frankly do not enjoy having to do this footwork in only trying to “HELP” people know about the future but I am doing it anyway because I know it’s extremely important and the “helping people part” is the only thing keeping me going- the rest of it is not what I prefer to do with my time if I had a choice. I cannot sit back though knowing that people will for the most part “NOT” be prepared when this event happens and will “NOT” know what to do, where to go and how to survive all because they were “NOT” informed in time having no familiarity with what events would take place and how as the earth starts to flip poles and massive tsunamis, earthquakes and so on begin!

If this is all true and please put yourself in my shoes for a minute and just pretend you were “Me” knowing this. What would you do about it and can you understand why I am bringing this to people’s attention? It is my conscience that has bothered me knowing this. 2012 is not a cataclysmic event but an aftermath of one, a re-birth/new-dawn and the “In The Know” groups of governments are fully equipped/prepared but do not yet know exactly “When” this will happen but are sure it “Will” happen. It’s not a matter of “IF” but “When”. I live on the west coast of USA and have only seen one other website out there that has received similar information as mine from other sources having access to “Future Knowledge” It just so happens he lives in Australia and has provided the exact same date as I have. Coincidence? I don’ think so but you be the judge! www.poleshift2011.com...

Solon, the famous Greek historian, philosopher and statesman (who lived in Athens between 639-599BC)—was much disdained/ sometimes ridiculed concerning his Atlantis accounts and theories; Nicholas Copernicus(1473-1543) Polish astronomer who promulgated the theory that Earth and the other known planets moved around the sun—was terribly persecuted by the Catholic church for his radical views; Michel de Nostradamus(150366) French astrologer, physician and seer, was practically hunted down and destroyed by the Church hierarchy in Rome for writing his radical beliefs/prognostications into the future; Galileo(1564-1642) Italian astronomer, physicist and map maker who demonstrated the truth of Copernican theory’ with his early invention of the telescope—was soundly discredited, ridiculed and tyrannized by the Roman church for his work and purest theories; Christopher Columbus (1446?-1506) Italian navigator, mapmaker, sailor, explorer, theorist in the service of Spain (discovering America in 1492 believing that the world was indeed round)—lies buried on the

Caribbean island of Santo Domingo—dying penniless and in ridicule/dishonor/shame for his gallant efforts; Sir Isaac Newton(1642-1727)English mathematician and philosopher who formulated the binomial theorem, the laws of gravity and motion and the true elements of differential calculus—was widely believed by many of his contemporaries and the Holy Roman Church quite certifiably mad/insane—(until he was proven otherwise);Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky (1895-1979)Russian born author, researcher, physician and modern-day theorist who penned two seminal books on the subject of Earth Changes: Earth In Upheavaland Worlds In Collision—remains one of the most controversial authors on the subject, and to this day is still vilified for his ground-breaking efforts. Dr. Zecharia Sitchin, a Russian Jew born in Palestine in 1920 and most notably recognized for his best-selling book, The Twelfth Planet, and many other excellent books on topic, remains today one of the Internet’s most sought/debated/controversial authors of record.

Charles Hapgood (PathOfThePole-1999) and John White(PoleShift-1998),two contemporary authors who explored the concept of the‘ poleshift’ hypothesis—still continue largelyunaccredited/unrecognizedfortheirsplendidground-breakingtheoriesandliterarywork onthemuchgloballydebatedsubjectofmodern-dayEarthChanges;andGordonMichael Scallion, a prolific writer, teacher and futurist(who has appeared on numerous television and radio network programs throughout the world),has also authored several credible books on the subject including his Future Map of North America and Future Map of the World,—Michael Scallion persists (as well with all of the above-mentioned personalities),in being a controversial writer/theorist/scientist regarding the subject of Earth Changes by him expressing certain purist views concerning the future‘continental makeup’of planet Earth post the 2011 pole shift event. So there you have it—throughout history those ‘bravesouls’ who dared to speak out expressing their personal theories and research on controversial science/metaphysics/social topics/prophecy—have all been targets of vicious scientific/religious/societal/governmental bias and professional ridicule‘ above and beyond their call of duty.



If I see a blind man crossing the street and a vehicle coming towards him do I ignore what I see or do I call out and warn the blind man. What if the blind man cannot hear the vehicle coming and he does not believe me. What if he thinks I'm playing a trick on him do I run out and force the blind man off the street or do I continue to warn him to get off the street hoping that he will listen and act in time.
2011 Warnings!
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 09:22 PM
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On December 21,2012 it'll be winter here, and cold. So I doubt I'll be sitting outside. But, I will be inside sipping a nice steamy hot cup of gourmet coffee, and eating fresh baked oatmeal, raisin, walnut cookies. My favorite! Together, my wife and I will be; Waiting....and waiting...and waiting....and waiting...and finally we'll go to bed, sleep through the night, and get up on December 22nd...and I'll let the dog out to take a crap and pee.
Life goes on!

Obama will be on TV lying his ass off again, about how his failed past four years were really a great success, and his next four years will be even better! He promises a change we really won't believe...and then morphs into a giant snake before our eyes.

The ratings for that broadcast will set all time historical records!



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Brown Dwarf/Sub-stellar object Review!

Astronomers concluded that something else was out there, something extremely massive with an incredibly strong gravitational pull, perturbing the outer planets of the solar system. Astronomers labeled this unknown object as Planet X. (X) Simply stands for “Unknown” The ancient civilizations also misinterpreted this object to be a planet or comet having zero knowledge of what a brown dwarf is. Astronomers have since started looking at the possibility of it being a “Dark Star’. Due to it’s incredible gravitational affect it’s demonstrating on the outer planets. There is an ongoing debate on whether or not low mass brown dwarfs should be classified as giant gas planets or failed stars.

In 1972 the Institute of Theoretical Astronomy in Leningrad used the perturbations in the orbit of known comets to help calculate this object. In the same year, astronomers at the Livermore Radiation Laboratory in California used the perturbations in the orbit of Halley’s comet and two other objects to also mathematically demonstrate the existence of this massive and mysterious object traveling outside the visible solar system.

By the late 1970’s, most astronomers had enough theoretical and mathematical evidence to be convinced that something was out there. Most astronomers then concluded the only thing left to do is identify this dark, mysterious object and determine its exact orbital track. Focus then changed to finding where this object was going/headed and when. Then in the early 1980’s the search for this mysterious object strangely escalated in intensity at NASA and other governmental institutions. In 1981 the following statement was made“Astronomers readying telescopes to probe the outer reaches of our solar system”

Dr. Tom Van Flandern of the US Naval Observatory states this objects path is highly elliptical like that of a comet. Throughout the early 1980’s NASA searched desperately for this object but could not find it even though they had powerful light gathering telescopes pointed in it’s general direction due to the object not emitting any visible light. On January 30th 1983 an article from New York Times states:
“Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some giant gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence that’s far away and unseen, a large celestial object that may be the long sought Planet X.”



Later that same year in 1983 NASA’s newly launched IRAS (Infrared Astronomical Satellite) spotted a large, dark, mysterious object coming towards us from the depths of space. Their discovery was mentioned in a 1983 Washington Post interview with the chief IRAS scientist from JPL in California. Dr. Gerry Neugebauer. The article states:
”A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion, by an orbiting telescope (IRAS) So Mysterious is this object that astronomers do not know it if is a planet, a giant comet, or a nearby proto-star (dwarf star) that never got hot enough to become a star.”



Brown Dwarfs!
Currently there is some debate as to what criterion to use to define the separation between a brown dwarf from a giant planet at very low brown dwarf masses (~13 MJ ), and whether brown dwarfs are required to have experienced fusion at some point in their history.

As read there are many different classifications of brown dwarfs and an ongoing debate on whether some of them with low mass should be classified as brown dwarfs or giant gas planets like Jupiter.

A remarkable property of brown dwarfs is that they are all roughly the same radius as Jupiter. This can make distinguishing them from planets difficult.

Brown dwarfs are all about the same radius; so anything that size with over 10 Jupiter masses is unlikely to be a planet.

Smallest brown dwarf found:
Smallest Cha 110913-773444 L 11h09m13.63s -77°34'44.6" Chamaeleon Distance: 163ly (50pc), 1.8 RJupiter

Take a look at this chart for size range:
abyss.uoregon.edu...


Appearance at close range:
news.cnet.com...

Brown dwarfs highly unpredictable/irregular orbital patterns of stars and free-floating capabilities!

Brown dwarfs close to Earth include Epsilon Indi Ba and Bb, a pair of dwarfs gravitationally bound to a sunlike star, around 12 light-years from the Sun.

Tight Orbit of two objects challenges convention:
Astronomers have imaged a pair of objects orbiting each other at just three times the distance from Earth to the Sun, the closest separation ever directly observed between objects outside our solar system. One of the objects is a low-mass star, and the other is a failed star known as a brown dwarf.
The previous record for direct image of tight-orbiting objects involved a brown dwarf 14 times the Earth-Sun distance.
Since 1995, astronomers have been able to detect objects at similar and even tighter orbital groupings, in some cases even large planets around other stars. But that detection method is indirect, noting a gravitational wobble in the larger object induced by the smaller one.
Full article:
www.space.com...

Orbital patterns and free-floating capabilities.
But starting in 1995, discoveries of huge planets around other stars, plus new objects that are neither planet nor star, have forced the IAU to draw some distinctions. The movement gained momentum in recent weeks with the announcement of free-floating objects in space that look like planets.

Exoplanets and brown dwarfs
Since the first planet was discovered orbiting another star in 1995, more than 50 extrasolar planets, or exoplanets, have been found. These planets are nothing like what we're used to. They are huge -- often many times the mass of Jupiter -- and some are altogether more like another class of object, the brown dwarf.
Full article: www.space.com...

As you can see some brown dwarfs orbit stars and in unpredictable/irregular orbital patterns, some on highly elliptical orbits, some freely traveling through space coming in and out of areas sometimes taking on new orbital patterns and others tightly orbiting objects and other stars indefinitely. Now I can only give you information that you can verify but if I was to tell you more about the brown dwarf that has not yet been confirmed I assume you would quickly dismiss it. What I can tell you and what we clearly see is that astronomers still know very little about brown dwarfs with only the first one officially confirmed recently in 1995. New discoveries on these objects are continually being made and astronomical discoveries of this object will continue for years to come as there are many more things yet unknown/undiscovered.

Brown dwarfs orbit in highly elliptical/irregular orbital patterns and are rogue celestial/sub-stellar objects that can also travel freely through space.

A few examples of orbital patterns around stars:
www.darkstar1.co.uk...
www.darkstar1.co.uk...
www.greatdreams.com...

Orbital patterns and free-floating capabilities.
But starting in 1995, discoveries of huge planets around other stars, plus new objects that are neither planet nor star, have forced the IAU to draw some distinctions. The movement gained momentum in recent weeks with the announcement of free-floating objects in space that look like planets.

For many years, efforts to discover brown dwarfs were frustrating and searches to find them seemed fruitless. In 1988, however, University of California, Los Angeles professors Eric Becklin and Ben Zuckerman identified a faint companion to GD 165 in an infrared search of white dwarfs.

Brown dwarfs are hard to find in the sky, as they would emit almost no light. Their strongest emissions would be in the infrared (IR) spectrum, and ground-based IR detectors were too imprecise at that time to readily identify any brown dwarfs.

1995: First brown dwarf verified. Teide 1, an M8 object in the Pleiades cluster, is picked out with a CCD in the Spanish Observatory of Roque de los Muchachos of the Instituto de Astrofísica de Canarias.

Over all source for much of the information:
en.wikipedia.org...



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On December 21,2012 it'll be winter here, and cold. So I doubt I'll be sitting outside. But, I will be inside sipping a nice steamy hot cup of gourmet coffee, and eating fresh baked oatmeal, raisin, walnut cookies. My favorite! Together, my wife and I will be; Waiting....and waiting...and waiting....and waiting...and finally we'll go to bed, sleep through the night, and get up on December 22nd...and I'll let the dog out to take a crap and pee.
Life goes on!


It's a nice dream but it won't happen. You might want to start looking into October 2011 and the facts/evidence we have to support what will take place!Millions in governments around the world know about it, accept for the majority of "Billions" left in the dark!



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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2012 which involves many fields of science and prophesies, spiritual, and traditions of people and much more. We do not claim to know all. This is about known facts. Some are scientific facts, accepted by the scientific establishment. Other facts are simply the reported beliefs and predictions of famous people and peoples- Edgar Cayce, Nostradamus, Ramtha, Albert Einstein, and the Mayan Indians- to name a few. What they said may not be true. But it is a fact that they said it. Many great prophets have predicted extreme earth-changes and disasters to occur near the current millennium. Based on Mayan calendar prophecy and will focus on the necessity of being spiritually prepared for the great mega-changes ahead--social, political, economic, terrestrial, extra-terrestrial, galactic, and Universal...a New Era of self responsibility where we understand there are no saviors outside of us. We are here at this great moment of Transition not by accident, but by design, as we all have gifts to offer one another to ease us through as Intended. May we share of ourselves with the greatest respect, compassion and Love in the Co-Creation of a New World together and remember its up to you Draw your own conclusions.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 10:12 PM
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Hi Darkangle2bad,


We are here at this great moment of Transition not by accident, but by design, as we all have gifts to offer one another to ease us through as Intended. May we share of ourselves with the greatest respect, compassion and Love in the Co-Creation of a New World together and remember its up to you Draw your own conclusions.


Star for you and very well said!



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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"Solon was a Greek historian, philosopher who lived in Athens, 639-559 BC. He was credited with being the wisest of the “Seven Sages” of ancient Greece. Solon writings talk about his interactions with ancient Egyptian priests. Ancient Egypt was considered at the time a very advanced civilization for it’s day, many Greek scholars traveled to Egypt and studied in their temples.

The Ancient Egyptians priests stated the following to Solon:

“O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are but children. There is no old doctrine handed down among you by ancient traditions or any science, which is hoary with age, and I will tell you the reason behind this. There have been and will be again, many destructions of mankind out of many causes, the greatest having been brought about by “Earth Fire” and “Innundation” Whereas you and other nations did not keep imperishable records of Atlantis we did. And then, after a long period of time, the usual inundation visits like a pestilence and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education. And thus you have to begin over again as children and know nothing of what happened in ancient times either among us or among yourselves.”

Solon then shared with them some of their history including the account of the great flood to which the Egyptians replied:

“As for those genealogies of yours which you have related to us, they are no better than tales of children, for in the first place, you remember one deluge only, whereas there were a number of them. And in the next place there dwelt in your land, which you do not know, the fairest and noblest race of men that ever lived of which you are but a seed or remnant. And you did not know this because for many generations the survivors of that destruction made no records.”

The Egyptians spoke about the destroyed civilization of Atlantis stating at one time there were a series of magnificent islands that sat in the Atlantic ocean, out beyond the pillars of Hercules. (The Straights of Gibraltar.) The Atlantean’s had become a rich and powerful civilization, but their success made them arrogant and war-like. The Atlantean’s started to systematically invade the other cultures of the Mediterranean and at one time had extended their advances to the very borders of Egypt itself. But then the “Usual Innundation” struck the Earth, involving great earthquakes and floods. With little warning, Atlantis was engulfed by the ravages of the ocean, slipping beneath the waves never to be seen or heard from again.


The Egyptian priests, surprised by Solon’s ignorance of the destruction of Atlantis went on to say:

“The catastrophe must have escaped the notice of future generations because as a result of the devastation, for many generations, the survivors died with no power to express themselves in writing. The islands “Disappeared” All Disappeared, due to earthquakes and floods in a grievous day and night.”

The account of Solon and Atlantis are not the only ancient records that the Egyptians left us. In 1828, the Museum of Leiden in the Netherlands, obtained a copy of an ancient text known as the Impuwer Papyrus. This text describes a massive cataclysmic event that struck Egypt and the world thousands of years ago and sent this remarkably organized civilization into total disarray.

Here are some statements found in the Ipuwer Papyrus:

“Plague is throughout the land, blood is everywhere. The land turns round as does a potter’s wheel. Earth turned upside down, land upside down. Human beings thirst after water, what shall we do? All is ruin”

”Cattle are left to stray, and there is none to gather them together. Trees are destroyed. No fruits, no herbs are found. Grain has perished on every side that has perished which yesterday was seen. The land is left to it’s weariness like the cutting of flax.”

”Gates, columns, and wall are consumed by fire. The sky is in confusion and the fire ran along upon the ground. Lower Egypt weeps, the towns are destroyed. Upper Egypt has become waste, all is ruin. The residence is over turned in a minute.”



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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These people rant on about how special and enlightened the mayans were, when in fact...


The Maya practiced human sacrifice. In some Maya rituals people were killed by having their arms and legs held while a priest cut the person's chest open and tore out his heart as an offering. This is depicted on ancient objects such as pictorial texts, known as codices. It is believed that children were often offered as sacrificial victims because they were believed to be pure
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Yea, you're right, the fact that the Mayan's religious beliefs had them killing a small amount of their own people they must not have been as enlightened as we are.

OH WAIT A SECOND

That's right, our religious beliefs justify mass murder of people we don't even fully understand. Our religious beliefs tell us it's best not to intervene when a holocaust happens. Our religious beliefs are used to extort people by stealing their currency and placing them in a lesser position on a social hierarchy, and to condemn people of creeds which aren't our own.

But in all seriousness, the Mayans weren't enlightened or insightful at all.

OH WAIT A SECOND

Did you know the Mayan alphabet is so complex our greatest translators and code-breakers still havent even scratched the surface of their language?
Apparently you didn't.

Did you know more often than not the people sacraficed for their blood gods accepted it willingly, and even felt a sense of great honor?

I guess it's ok for the Japanese to commit sepuku when they are dishonored but when someone else sacrafices you for religious beliefs, it's not acceptable even when you're willingly allowing it to happen. Besides, you know how uncivilized and lacking enlightenment those Japanese are. (sarcasm) And when it comes to slaughtering those (warning, more approaching sarcasm) Red Savages, forget about it! Who cares, they're lacking enlightenment. Hell, they couldnt even figure out how to harness nuclear energy, and they didn't even have a sense of ownership! The fools.

(still sarcasm)
We as Americans are far more enlightened with our failing system of currency, our lacking motivation, our underappreciation for education, and our blatent problems with racism.

(even more sarcasm)
And I guess the babylonians, the summerians, Nostradomus, the Oracle of Delphi, and countless other nations and people who predicted major events in 2012 were also lacking enlightenment, those uncivilized savages.

Cool post, mod.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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The point is; what the hell can you or anyone else do about it? Nothing! Not a damned thing, except fear monger, and wish for the end of everything.

I am sick of hearing about 2012. Que Sara Sara...Geezus give it a rest!

The sky is falling, the sky is falling...it's going to hit me on the head!

Bunch of Chicken Little's.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 10:51 PM
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And what of the most precise calendar by ancient peoples. Were they just high on peyote?



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 11:28 PM
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Hi Confused and Dazed,

I must assume you have not followed my "Warnings" Thread due to your comments. The message has never been about fear-mongering or gloom/doom in fact quite the opposite. You can read all about it here: www.abovetopsecret.com...






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