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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 06:43 PM by St Udio
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small world there masqua... i was actually reading those links just yesterday (monday the 12th) which you use in your post today ....
www.mayacalendar.com
www.pbs.org
www.pbs.org


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 07:35 PM by Alethea
Originally posted by Skyfloating


These people rant on about how special and enlightened the mayans were, when in fact...

The Maya practiced human sacrifice. In some Maya rituals people were killed by having their arms and legs held while a priest cut the person's chest open and tore out his heart as an offering. This is depicted on ancient objects such as pictorial texts, known as codices. It is believed that children were often offered as sacrificial victims because they were believed to be pure
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Could acceptance of 2012 as an "end date" merely reflect that some identify with the superstitions and savagery of the Mayans?

I see no justification for a "sophisticated" civilization basing their future on a primitive shallow culture. But...people love sensationalism and something "new".

Your're right about the 2012 not coming "into vogue" until after the Y2K scares. Maybe people enjoy being "frightened"...too many Freddie movies already. No one had really heard about 2012 until a few years ago; now look how the story has snowballed. People need a new distraction now.


All in all, I think it brazenly shows the gullibility of the masses to accept rumors without questioning nor weighing their sources for accuracy, bias, and self serving motivation. It's the 100th monkey syndrome.

Perhaps the real warning of 2012 is that people are becoming more like these Mayans. Perhaps it is being used as a metaphor and we should be focusing on the behavior of the culture rather than any date. Could it really mean that if society continues on as it has that people will become more heartless, cruel, willing to cut someone's heart out for their own gain?

Could it be a warning that unless we break the shackles of the entities that seek to divide humanity (religion and politics) and to pit us against one another, that mankind will be doomed to repeat the past?

The only way out of this is for the whole world to see the truth of it all exposed for what it is. The bondages and secrets of lies and deceptions that has kept us manipulated and controlled must be brought to the light of day.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 02:04 AM by Skyfloating
Originally posted by ET_MAN
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Hi Skyfloating,


Hi, thanks for replying.

what you seem to be missing is part of history and the passing of a brown dwarf star that has taken place many times in the past and is a cyclic event of earth.


Which brown dwarf star? Does it pass on the 23rd of December 2012? What happened last time it passed?


The world will never end at least not for billions of years but it will change as it always has changed- it’s part of the cycle/evolution of earth.


Who is denying that? What does that have to do with 2012?


Seasons take place on a yearly basis and so do cyclic events of earth on longer periods of time. I know things will change in 2011 because I have seen/been shown these things and I do not expect you to take my word for it alone-


So its in 2011 and not in 2012?

And have no changes been ongoing in 2009, 2010, 2012, 2013?

What kind of changes do you see?


only to look at the evidence/facts and there is plenty of it out there!


If there were, someone would have posted them here by now.


I am also positive that governments in high places know about this event and have long since been preparing for it.


What event? And why would they be preparing for something that no ancient civilization ever made mention of?



Once people really look at the hard evidence and realize all that has been kept from them listening to government eye-witness testimonies, viewing military documents and so on it would be irrational not to believe these people's testimonies and not to believe the many ancient civilizations testimonies/records.


There are no "military documents" on 2012.



There is proof on many levels for those who really want to face/know the truth. 2012 was never a year to worry about other than earth being changed for humanity but 2011 is a year to prepare for and I have "proof" of this event on a certain level/degree. Depending on how much "proof" you need as everyone differs on what they need to see. If 20+ government/military officials with credible positions/credentials came out and talked about it, that would probably still not be enough so called "proof" for the average person or would it?


I believe in a lot of things without needing any proof at all. But I least need a tiny speck of reason why something is believed.

You - representative of many other 2012 believers - keep saying "all the evidence" without showing any.


Well we have much more than just 20+ military, government official’s testimonies, there is overwhelming amounts of evidence to be found supporting that this event has happened in the past and will happen again- so much evidence that it’s absolutely pure “ignorance” “close-mindedness”, “Irrational” of a person do not consider the possibility of this event after viewing all the evidence first. People only have to study the past to view a glimpse of the future as this event is a cyclic event that has occurred many times before.


The Future is not fixed. What the Future is or is not, changes with every motion anyone takes. Events in time are not strictly linear cause-effect but due to trillions of factors. Thats why there is no evidence that can be collected of what will happen in the future.. And people who "see the future" are merely seeing options/possibilities.


A wise man would at least consider that such an event could in fact be a possibility and study/research all the evidence first before hastily making a decision.


Here you are implying that anyone who doubts 2012 hasnt researched it.


Or a person can always remain close minded/ignorant dismissing the possibility without ever researching/investigating.


As hinted at in the OP, I even read the Biography of the initiator of 2012.


I’m asking that you do your own research because obviously from some of the information provided in this thread it only goes to show that someone has not truly researched history/archeology and catastrophic events/catacylsm’s of the past.


Saying research has not been done is false.



reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 02:10 AM by Skyfloating
Originally posted by St Udio
We are using the Maya calender end-date to lump together a profusion of ideas...I guess that Major Jenkins set the date at Winter Solstice 2012...
and that date has caught-on with the pop-culture


The mayan calendar does not actually end 2012. Thats an invention.


other things that reinforce our minds (conscious or subconscious) that something big is building up..the kondratieff cycle/wave... the Elliott wave... the bigger picture view of Societal/economic Entropy... DNA manipulation/chimeras/clones/ ~ we have advanced technologically to the point 'we' are pseudo-creators i.e. god like... we, collectively are in a Armageddon Anticipation Overload


Im not. And many others are calm, not projecting their subconscious fears and desires onto the planet.



hey go-with-the-flow, and chill.... 2012 is just another alternative to the Biblical end times and the establishment of the Millennial Kingdon (AKA: Malkut Pei) = "Kingdom of the Mouth" ...Established after a massive annhilation of spirit beings/fallen Angels/ goblins-{mazikin}/ goyim/gentiles{animals among men} and beings such as 'Amalek' & 'Samael' the progentors of Doubt within the chosen peoples+Unchastity+Murder+and Idolotry....


2012 will come and go just like any other year, because only 2% of the world population fully buy into it. You need 10% for mass-belief to effect events.


and these concepts are OK?


Oh they are fine, especially for the marketeers making profit off them...


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 02:18 AM by randyvs
reply to post by Skyfloating





The Maya practiced human sacrifice. In some Maya rituals people were killed by having their arms and legs held while a priest cut the person's chest open and tore out his heart as an offering. This is depicted on ancient objects such as pictorial texts, known as codices. It is believed that children were often offered as sacrificial victims because they were believed to be pure

Oh yeh! The Maya were special alright!

I swear this is the last timeI post this vid next to my avatar.
Funny I just keep finding reason to post it.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 03:01 AM by Paroxysm
Originally posted by Skyfloating
I dont know.


Apparently, neither do scientists. But many have theories...

Here's a pretty decent objective article regarding Earth's Magnetic Polar Reversals:

www.pbs.org...

When Compasses Point South

If all the compasses in the world started pointing south rather than north, many people might think something very strange, very unusual, and possibly very dangerous was going on. Doomsayers would have a field day proclaiming the end is nigh, while more rational persons might head straight to scientists for an explanation.

Fortunately, those scientists in the know—paleomagnetists, to be exact—would have a ready answer. Such reversals in the Earth's magnetic field, they'd tell you, are, roughly speaking, as common as ice ages. That is, they're terrifically infrequent by human standards, but in geologic terms they happen all the time. As the time line at the bottom shows, hundreds of times in our planet's history the polarity of the magnetic shield ensheathing the globe has gone from "normal," our current orientation to the north, to "reversed," and back again.

The Earth is not alone in this fickleness: The sun's magnetic shield appears to reverse its polarity approximately every 11 years. Even our Milky Way galaxy is magnetized, and experts say it probably reverses its polarity as well. Moreover, while a severe weakening or disappearance of the magnetic field would lay us open to harmful radiation from the sun, there's little evidence to date that "flips" per se inflict any lasting damage (see Impact on Animals).

It might sound as if scientists have all the answers regarding magnetic reversals. But actually they know very little about them. Basic questions haunt researchers: What physical processes within the Earth trigger reversals? Why do the durations and frequencies of both normal and reversed states seem random? Why is there such a disproportionately long normal period between about 121 and 83 million years ago? Why does the reversal rate, at least during the past 160 million years, appear to peak around 12 million years ago?

All these questions remain unanswered, though experts like Dennis Kent, the Rutgers University geologist who supplied NOVA with updated figures for the time line, are hard at work trying to answer them. In the meantime, not to worry. Reversals happen on average only about once every 250,000 years, and they take hundreds if not thousands of years to complete.

Even the weakening currently under way may be a false alarm. The field often gets very weak, then bounces back, never having flipped. As Ron Merrill, a magnetic-field specialist at the University of Washington remarked when asked whether we're in for a reversal: "Ask me in 10,000 years, I'll give you a better answer." So hang on to your compass. For the foreseeable future, it should work as advertised.—Peter Tyson





reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 05:17 AM by TheIrvy
I don't believe that 2012 will see any kind of end of the world. I suspect that perhaps the whole MSM uproar about it may be there to make the populace doubt it. Make a few history channel programmes with the gravelly voiced man saying "The End Of Everything" a few times and people will dismiss it as another cry that the sky is falling.

But when we look at the world around us and beyond, we see patterns, cycles, everything is in constant motion, waxing and waning, nothing is ever constant, it's always in one state or another, moving towards the next soltise or peak. And yet, inside of this, we see more patterns. We see patterns of fractal time, numbers repeated both large and small.

The Mayan calendar doesn't just stop in 2012, the Dec 21st date is the end of a cycle, it started at 00000, and it will go back to that zero point in 2012. We know that the world didn't end last time, it seems rather unlikely that it will end this time either. So, what did happen last time? Did we cross from one hemisphere of the galaxy into the other? Have we been in a waxing cycle for thousands of years, and we're going to hit the peak of that in 2012, to be followed by thousands of years of a waning cycle? What will that mean for our society? For our planet?

It's easy to listen only to the doom and gloom pronouncements about the end of the world, and sit back and think of how silly it all is, but the truth is that any day has the potential to change the course of history.

Today could be the end of civilisation, or tomorrow, when some earthquake or lump of rock from space or world power with an itchy trigger finger makes life as we know it no longer feasible, and just like every civilisation to date, ours will reach the end of it's cycle, and something new will begin.

It's fine to question those claiming that the sky is falling in. It's fine not to believe any of it, or all of it. But don't for a second delude yourself that this civilisation will never end and that we're all guaranteed to grow old in it, still shopping at the same stores and doing the same things for recreation. All civilisations end, and ours will too.


reply posted on 14-10-2009 @ 05:46 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Paroxysm



Thats all pretty interesting and even sensible/believable...but what does it have to do with the 2012-movement... (?).

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