Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Reality is not set apart from your own experiences and understandings my friend, allow me to give you an example.
YOU have NEVER seen a color. In your whole life, never priviledge to see such a thing. Neither has any other human on the planet.
We've seen plenty of "shades" of colour, but nothing else. What I see as the color "green" may be a completely different thing for than for me.
Why is that if reality is not subjective to the human experience?
Spirituality is not a coping mechanism. You are not your brain. Ever thought of where your "thoughts" come from? Not your brain but something
else. You brain is simply the medium used to interpret them.
Your body is a tool, the soul is the user.
Very very nice
I knew there was a reason I tagged you as a friend
I am also going to respond to the comment by Conclusion below - who also closely echoes my thinking.
To me 'spirituality' is a mental process. In my definition, the words mystical, or supernatural or magical are not to be related to it at all. It
is perfectly natural - and a byproduct of the laws of the universe - in other words, there is a scientific answer to this approach.
The problem is that we have not yet penetrated this area with measurements - we cannot quantify or directly observe it - so it is opaque to the tools
of science - that is measurement and observation. Only at the interface between our reality and the underlying holistic reality do we begin to get
When we look at quantum processes - we quickly realize that something is missing - our measurements fail. They break down along a line of probability
- or possibility - or chaos - or randomness, all of those words are useful in understanding what happens at a quantum level.
When we consider how we interact with reality - again we must realize that measurements interact purely with reality that is external to our
consciousness - that in fact those measurements are converted to electrical signals and interpreted in our mind. Our consciousness does not seem to
directly interact with reality at all.
A salient question is - do these interpretation processes occur in physical reality or not? Looking at the scientific evidence - I conclude - NOT.
So where do they occur - in fact, where does the consciousness reside? Well - for me, in the face of complete lack of data - I assume that symmetry
is consistent - so I create a an model of reality (a scientific theory) that has symmetry and allows for what is observed.
I use a 7 dimensional model - assuming an asymptote along the temporal axis of time - and 3 'external' dimensions at right angles to the ones we can
observe and measure with our conscious minds - reality. Therefore the other 3 dimensions exist in 'unreality' or fantasy - or creativity - or
whatever word you might like to label it.
So spirituality to me is not a 'supernatural' idea that springs up to support my emotional needs, but rather an explanation that appears to be
required to explain what happens in quantum processes, and how to define where the consciousness resides.
I think that our unconscious minds could quite easily explore those extra dimensions while we sleep - what is there is obviously not reality - so we
should not expect it to look or work like it.
Also our brain is divided into left (logical) and right (inferential) hemispheres. If reality was truly divided into true and false - ie everything
was based on logic - then we would have no need for inferential processing - everything would be deterministic - and everything could be resolved.
However, it is clear that our senses are inadequate to allow us to discern the difference beteen true and false - therefore nothing can be resolved
into binary. Only by ASSUMING something is true can we actually use binary, logical processes - exactly like a computer. If one of those zeroes or
ones are wrong - you will get an error - just like a computer.
Inferential thinking on the other hand treats everything as unknown - and simply uses a model of best fit to try and understand incoming data.
So for myself - I think our consciousness resides on the asymptote of time - in the middle of reality and unreality - and is able to make observations
in both dimensional sets. Sleeping therefore may be able to resolve some of those inferential models - as we are freed from the constraints of
reality or logical thinking - we are able to access the unreal dimensions and make startling jumps in understanding.
That is spirituality for me - a natural process, that becomes necessary to explain the breakdown at the quantum level - inferential thinking,
creativity and possibility.