Let's Make Work Mandatory or you go to jail!

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posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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reply to post by StinkyFeet
 


Good in theory, not in practice.

There will always be people not willing to work.

And so if you imprison them all, you end up still paying (more) through taxes to support that system. It's the same as the welfare state, only you'd have them all locked up causing riots and creating more criminality after "release".

That's why there is a welfare system in the first place, it's cheaper than criminalising and then punishing laziness.

What I think you should do is make welfare more difficult, and attach conditions to that benefit. If they claim benefits, but are able to work, they are required to do it.
Then, if they don't, their benefits are lowered.

This needs to be done in conjunction with improving education and the "work ethic" from a young age.




posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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If your going to make work mandatory, then surely you are going to have to create the jobs first.

This is just another assault on the unemployed by those who would seek to disract from the real problem:- The lack of vacancies.

How can anyone complain about 10M unemployed when there are only 1M jobs available.

If you really want to solve unemployment, you have to recognize that the real problem is lack of vacancies due to lack of investment.

Arbeit Macht Frei. Governance of the poor/Freedom of the rich.
Deja Vu? I really hope not.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by StinkyFeet
but lets put people to work for minimum wage to clean the streets by hand or to carry a working person's breifcase from place to place.

[edit on 13-10-2009 by StinkyFeet]


Ok yeah sorry but
a million times over. Doesnt the person carrying the briefcase for the "working" person make the person carrying it a WORKING person?? I think you meant to say, make the person who I feel is less worthy carry another persons junk around who I feel worthier. Why cant people carry their own briefcases?!

When I am done working I will NOT work! I will work on my garden, drawing and anything else I want to work on end enjoy it! If someone is luck enough IMO not to work good for them, usually means they worked to get there and they deserve to have time to do what they want.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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I have already said in an earlier post that if you can afford to not work without getting govenment assitance then by all means don't work. You have earned that choice by responsible life choices.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by StinkyFeet
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Wow it is scary that you are teaching children. Good thing I don't send my kids to public school I guess. Anyway, I know it is paid for by taxes, but what I mean by free is that any child regardless of their parents total lack of resources will get an education just by showing up and completing their assignments. Free--meaning no kid gets kicked out based on finances.


Lol, turning it to the personal side-always a sign of someone with diminished IQ that has no comeback. Again, well played


It isnt free. You can claim it is all you want. But you are wrong. Plenty of kids get left behind based SOLELY on finances.

I implore you to take some time away from your job and check out the real world. There are many things out there that you could obviously benefit from seeing/experiencing. You apparently haven't ever stepped outside your own comfort zone.

Also, for the record, only someone that so naive to think forced labor is the solution could be dumb enough to think that showing up and doing some assigned classwork is the same as getting an education.

But, you are a happy worker-bee, so I guess you got just the 'education' they were aiming for



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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The population of the US gets 28% of its income from government programs.

I think there are a few people out there who should get a job.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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Good luck my friend my husband retired as a Marine 11 years ago and he is still working full time, retirement is not enough to support the expenses we have as a family this days.

Now with the economic downfall you are lucky if you hold a job this days.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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Plenty of kids get left behind based SOLELY on finances.


That is nearly impossible. Most school systems in this area feed the kids, have latch key programs, vouchers for transport if you are too far to walk and not on a bus route, etc.... The only way you get left behind is if your parent is an irresponsible dumb ass.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by StinkyFeet
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Plenty of kids get left behind based SOLELY on finances.


That is nearly impossible. Most school systems in this area feed the kids, have latch key programs, vouchers for transport if you are too far to walk and not on a bus route, etc.... The only way you get left behind is if your parent is an irresponsible dumb ass.


Hahaha, again, please step out into the real world. Children who dont get the proper equipment, that dont get proper shelter or meals at home, that come from broken families fall out of school far more often than those with comfortable financial situations. You can say its the parents all you want, that is still not the point. The point is, regardless of the reason, you are still advocating leaving children behind.

You again are advocating the exact thing that is the issue with this country, yet claiming you want to fix the problem. Truth be told, you obviously have an extremely limited vision of what the world is actually like.

I dont know why I have gone this far in this thread-as I said before, anyone who can talk about fixing the problem out of one side of their mouth and advocate its cause out of the other is obviously not worth the time.

I mean seriously, you are talking about cutting government funding by putting people in jail.
Let's think about this one for a second.....



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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I do see peoples points about putting them in jail being costly. That is because we make the jail experience too nice and building too expensive. I say razor wire fenced in tents woud suffice with a few bowls of soup and some bread for the meal. We got to cut expenses people, and quit making prison better than some peoples homes.

[edit on 13-10-2009 by StinkyFeet]



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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You're welcome to go to work washing my car or cleaning my home.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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Good thinking. We need more people to come up with ideas to put everyone to work. Nice work!



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by StinkyFeet
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Good thinking. We need more people to come up with ideas to put everyone to work. Nice work!


Rubbing my feet is work too.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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I know I was just stating my opinion on it too



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Before getting all self-righteous about people not working, let's first make work *available*; then maybe we can talk about making it mandatory.

I want to point out that housewives are already working, even though they don't get paid to do it. Taking care of the house and kids is just as much "working" as heading to the office or wherever you work. Often it's more work, because there are no set hours. You're on 24/7, basically.

Almost everyone who can work, does work, if he can find a job. That's the bottleneck right now. When employment is OK, most people who are able to work are working. Despite appearances, there are very few people out there who would rather sit around collecting a pittance from the government, than working somewhere and getting more.

There are also plenty of able-bodied people who are incapable of working for various reasons. These people have psychiatric problems that aren't adequately helped by medicines, and simply cannot connect with their environment to effectively do anything. They need protection, not jailing.

Oh, yeah. And how can you tell if someone like an author or musician is working? They may sit around all day gazing out the _ Are they thinking of their next book or song, or are they goofing off? How can you tell? Do you really want our government making that decision?



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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Oh, yeah. And how can you tell if someone like an author or musician is working? They may sit around all day gazing out the _ Are they thinking of their next book or song, or are they goofing off? How can you tell? Do you really want our government making that decision?


You can tell by answering one simple question. Are they making enough to support them and their wives and children? If they aren't then they are just spending too much time on a hobby.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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Sure i can work but, i made some bad choices growing up so it is quite tough now and on top of that no one is hiring around here and it sucks. You got job for me...



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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How much does the "briefcase handlers job" pay and who cuts the check come payday?



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by StinkyFeet
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


I do see peoples points about putting them in jail being costly. That is because we make the jail experience too nice and building too expensive. I say razor wire fenced in tents woud suffice with a few bowls of soup and some bread for the meal. We got to cut expenses people, and quit making prison better than some peoples homes.

[edit on 13-10-2009 by StinkyFeet]


You are wrong again. Please start doing some research before you make claims. The majority of cost in prisons is in manning those prisons, and in maintaning them .

Also, there is international law about how prisoners must be treated. You think the U.S. is in bad shape now-wait until the international community starts sanctioning it for humanitarian violations.

Basically, your standpoint is that you are better than those that do not work. You are a narcissist, and you are everything that is wrong with this country.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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You obviously don't have a clue what it's like in prison.

But if you *really* want to save money, just take them out and shoot them. Make their families pay for the bullet. Problem solved.





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