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ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The Pakistani interior minister said Tuesday that the government was expecting more attacks by the Taliban as the military prepared to launch a major offensive in South Waziristan, the rugged northwestern tribal region considered a stronghold of Taliban.
President Obama has what everyone is conceding is a momentous decision on Afghanistan. The decision is whether to follow the recommendations of General McCrystal and send in more troops or not.
Originally posted by LadySkadi
Originally posted by Historical-Mozart
It's the puppeteers who did the "approving", who chose the number, 13,000 and who chose the date, Oct 13, to make the "announcement".
What am I missing here? What is the alleged significance of 13,000 troops and 13th of October?
Privately, Petraeus is said to reject comparisons with Vietnam; he distrusts "history by analogy" as an excuse not to come to grips with the intricacies of Afghanistan itself. But there is this stark similarity: in Afghanistan, as in Vietnam, we may now be facing a situation where we can win every battle and still not win the war—at least not within a time frame and at a cost that is acceptable to the American people.
One of the iconic exchanges of Vietnam came, some years after the war, between Col. Harry Summers, a military historian, and a counterpart in the North Vietnamese Army. As Summers recalled it, he said, "You never defeated us in the field." To which the NVA officer replied: "That may be true. It is also irrelevant."
Originally posted by IrnBruFiend
I thought Obama said before or while he was just elected that he'd withdraw troops from Afghanistan?
Another misleading lie wouldn't be a surprise, the decision will be made for him either way so it's irrelevant I guess.
Originally posted by sos37
Amazing, the two headlines you have today.
Nobel Peace Prize jury defends Obama decision
Obama approved 13,000 more troops to Afghanistan
I'll say this loud and clear - if this kind of OXYMORONIC occurrence had happened when Bush was in office, the news media outlets would be going apes**t - Keith Olbermann would be screaming himself into a heart attack and the Obama puppets on ATS would be screaming bloody murder.
Originally posted by dooper
After all, the other 27,000 are being martialed for Obama's war with Fox News.
Originally posted by whatukno
wow damned if he does, damned if he doesn't on this board.
Grumble grumble grumble Obama send more troops, bad Obama, no should gotten peace prize. grumble grumble grumble.
Grumble grumble grumble Obama send too few troops, bad Obama, no listen to generals get men killed grumble grumble grumble.
Ok let's see, Obama is stuck between a rock and a hard place, the rock being Afghanistan is still a war, a war that isn't going too well for the US. His generals are requesting more troops, Obama sends them 13,000 (a drop in the bucket for what they really need over there) And people aren't happy.
Of course having sent more troops to a war that was already going on thanks to Bush not remembering what happened with the Soviet Union back in the 80s, Obama get's bashed for sending more troops after winning the Nobel Peace prize.
Originally posted by Lucidliving
Alexander the great, Genghis Khan, the British Empire, and Soviet Russia: they all wised up after invading Afghanistan. Now it's the US's turn to learn that wisdom through their own trials and experiences in history.
Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by XXXN3O
Well, OK...but we still have troops in Iraq. Which, in my opinion, goes against his campaign promise. Despite Obama's efforts to convince us that having our troops in Iraq as "secondary" troops lying in wait should they be called upon by the Iraqi forces is different than actually being at war in Iraq, I think he's walking a precarious line in semantics.
I can't possibly be the only person that, when he announced he would "bring all of our troops out of Iraq", thought he meant all of our troops.