Fox's constant whining is tiring as well. Shouldn't we all be able to voice our opinions though ?

We need solutions and not constant whining about the economy and the POTUS/Whitehouse and this and that.

But that is exactly what they're paid to do and that is to fill the airwaves with TALK and not necessarily solutions. Like hens in a hen house....clucking away.

On the economic front, our capitalistic system is built on credit and spending ... which IS the capital in our capitalistic system.

The Banking failures came as a result of the repealing of the Glass-Stegall act years ago. So all of this was planned way back then.

The Failure of Enron was the beginning of all of this trend.

But by allowing the Banks to completely fail we'd then have no more capital. No capital/credit means no economy, in no lending for businesses, mortgages, car loans , consumer loans ,etc. NO CAPITAL.

Allowing GM and Chrysler to fail would have lost us Millions of jobs which wouldn't help things other than to add even more unemployed to the ranks , creating even more foreclosures and further burdening to our economy.

Additionally, GM and the auto industry are the backbone of what is left of our manufacturing infrastructure here in the US.

Research what GM contributed to winning WWII , due to it's manufacturing of QUALITY weapons in a war of attrition. In other words, and for example, Guns that DIDNT jam as we're seeing with today's weapons failing in Afghanistan.

GM and the BIG 3 manufactured engines for tanks and planes as well as cranking out thousands of jeeps and trucks to carry supplies through European and Pacific theatres. GM Even manufactured M1 rifles and ammo.

Hitler did NOT want to fight a war with the US for this exact reason. He had even visited a Ford manufacturing plant prior to WWII and was fully aware of what American ingenuity was capable of.

If a company the size of GM were allowed to evaporate, we'd lose that manufacturing base as well as millions of jobs as well as manufacturing expertise as they would have no other choice but to find employment in the service industry.
Ala Burger King, McDonalds, BestBuy...in other words lower paying jobs.

And finally, In the event we'd ever need to build weapons again in massive quantities to defend ourselves against a real adversary such as China, who has a huge manufacturing base btw, and we no longer had a domestic manufacturing base in which to build our weapons, we'd already be defeated.

Lets Stop the panderous ranting and lets look at solutions for a better United States of America.

We've seen this before with this administration. Joe the plumber rings a bell and I know there were a few others also who were attacked for criticizing this president. You attack this president or this administration, then be prepared to have this administration and their lackeys assault you on all fronts publicly.

By all intense purposes Powers is right, Grow Up! It's like a bunch of high schoolers. What an embarrassment.

Originally posted by j2000
Trash? What Trash? Can you give examples?

You mean like Van Jones?
You mean like ACORN?
You mean like the Stimulus plan that has saved the day and brought jobs?

Please, do tell.

Really? I will only mention one thing that made a lot of us wonder about Fox News. The Flag Lapel Pin outrage. It was the single most important news item on Fox for a while.

Maybe we let this play out eh? I don't believe or trust anything from MSM and I certainly don't buy into anything coming from the whitehouse no matter who is there. If they go as far as to start censoring anything against the administration then we can call this the start of something pretty dangerous.

Uh..no.

When some jerk who isn't even named Joe is nothing more than an agent for the RNC and about a smart as the tree outside my window deserves the smack we give him.

Moreover, lets cut the crap shall we. Fox News is the propaganda arm for the GOP and they have proved that a million times over. So lets stop beating around the bush and calling them "News".

Fox News should have their license revoked for not living up to the law of "providing for the common good". They lie to the public to push civil discourse to push a political agenda for one party.

They lie plain and simple and they feed on the ignorance of others.

Originally posted by Uniceft17

Originally posted by j2000
Calling by name one of the few media outlets that does not agree with you?

That's just the thing, New's outlets aren't supposed to agree or disagree they are there to report the news and let you form your own opinion, so Obama isn't the only one in the wrong here.

I wouldn't even call Fox or most of the other msm 'news' outlets, propaganda outlets are more like it. The point is both have different agendas and it's not on the side of the people.

Too true. The news is not the news anymore. They make it so the President can do no right. If he saved a child from a burning building they would find five things wrong with how he saved the child and how he is a horrible president for saving him in the first place. Fox says Obama needs to grow up? Well why don't they report the news and stop nipping at his heels. They need stop acting like the playground bully. Did they actually call him a cry baby? I thought only 8 year olds called people that? They are the ones who should grow up.

See this is what I see happing with all these threads.
They come on a thread and bash it to the it goes into the new crap pile.

Bunch of Trolls that cannot stay on subject, or those that see it with the wrong side of the brain.

Originally posted by Kaploink
I will only mention one thing that made a lot of us wonder about Fox News. The Flag Lapel Pin outrage. It was the single most important news item on Fox for a while.

Do you remember the "terrorist fist jab" ?

Fox News is bad for America.

What I am most sick of are posts like these.

This is not what ATS is about.

Originally posted by j2000
See this is what I see happing with all these threads.
They come on a thread and bash it to the it goes into the new crap pile.

Bunch of Trolls that cannot stay on subject, or those that see it with the wrong side of the brain.

I agree and there is also another lesson to be learned on this thread. Its about how to present a topic. The initial post has a very short video from a Newsgroup not held in high esteem by many and includes a paragraph on how they agree with the sentiments expressed in the video.

More information to support the argument was not presented till later in the thread and even then it simply highlights a struggle between the Staff of the Whitehouse and the media to control the message reaching the public, this in of itself is nothing new, every administration tries to control "Spin".

Now if someone found evidence the White House was trying to suppress Fox news through some form of "conspiracy", then I'm all ears. Otherwise unless expertly crafted I am more apt to place a thread in the thrash heap as more partisan politics run amok and I have to give a big to ATS for trying to reign that in.

I think people who say things like "grow up already" should grow up already.

Originally posted by Bunch
Just another attack to the President that bears no news relevance. The "do-nothing" party and its members trying to expand their hatred for Obama knows no boundaries.

President after President have had their clash with the media from time to time...Obama would not be exception.

Actually, a do nothing in power would be preferable to the policies and wild spending of the current administration. It has doom of the economy written all over it. I suppose if you hate free markets and freedom, you could be happy with things that are now transpiring. Your choice of course.