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Well, the reason I'm going to have a third due in a couple months is because... I like kids.
I see no reason to not have kids just because people like you don't wish to make any meaningful changes.
Why should I suffer for your faults?
Sounds pretty childish and arrogant to demand everyone should stop having kids just so you can continue wasting resources and space with petty greed.
Your solution calls for imposing your beliefs upon others by force of law. Yet, I see no real value to imposing someone's dislike for having kids upon those who do enjoy raising their own children.
There are other solutions, but like you say... too "narrow minded" to care. My way or the highway right?
I feel like we for the most part have the technology to live balanced with nature. Like eco-friendly housing material and solar-panels and and even this new-tech residential wind tower that combined with the panels would provide you with ample energy. The problem is, its how we're taught and what we know. We're taught to get a career so we can settle down and have kids. So we have to be reprogrammed 1st and foemost otherwise the problem persists. We aren't taught to live a balaced exitence with nature, we aren't taught how to grow our own foods, how to forage for supplies, how to build our own houses, how to acquire land, how to utilize the technologies we have properly. The list just goes on and on and the change has to start with our minds before we just start population reduction. Not to mention that the government openly admits to being atleast 30 years more technologically advanced then the civilian sector or something like that. We would have to know exactly what the extent of our technology really is before we did anything.
I would also like to mention the different messages floating around different countries... CHINA - INDIA are about reducing population,
but Latin America - well, they are breeding like rabbits, same in Eastern Europe... but Europe and America *white folk, seem to be declining like they are under population control.... do you think there is a conspiracy here working - ?
come on dude, you don't see this as just a little selfish? I mean really now.
The meaningful change made by people like me is to realize that overpopulation is a problem and all our problems would be easier solved if we slimmed down and not reproduce. What meaningful change have you made or are you perfect?
what faults and who's asking you to suffer? I'm just saying people should be a little more responsible.
why does it come down to greed? I'm not greedy, I'm in fact saying that a smaller population would be easier to equip with a higher standard of living, does that sound like greed to you? Wanting the best for everybody is greedy now?? And if you'd read what I say I never demand that everyone stop having kids....but it's pretty evident now you haven't been reading 90% of my posts. And how many resource will you, your children, your grandchildren, and your great grand children use up compared to, ....me. Yeah, I'm greeedy, thats what I am.
but what about enough respect not to?
I haven't heard any viable solutions so far. But think about what will happen...sterilization, or genocide, or starvation, disease, something will decimate the fastest growing population centers. It's already being discussed.
Originally posted by KSPigpen
Everybody wants to live....it's certainly a little greedy, but look around, most every invention is for living, allowing one to live longer, saving lives, etc....medicine, food, guns, bombs, houses...all of it about LIVING...
[edit on 12-10-2009 by KSPigpen]
What I find selfish and arrogant is your willingness to impose your irrational belief upon me.
There are other options, but you seem willing to not pursue them for your own ideologies.
Imposing limits on a private endeavor is not a meaningful change.
Nor is there a real population problem as we do have viable options that could be implemented if further pursued.
As for my families meaningful change, we don't waste much of anything. Our children are clothed diapered and line dried. We recycle and what we can't recycle we try to at least find another use for. It may not be much what we do by ourselves, but changes like those committed by the world at large makes a huge difference.
Instead we lead more materialistic consumerist societies and demand to impose limits on family size? Screw you. I would rather a more sustainable lifestyle and populace instead of a greedy bunch of arrogant mutts who think they have any right over what I do in my private life.
You think it's easy raising children?
It's not like me and my wife screwed up and had all accident babies. Some people actually *do* weigh in the consequences of their actions.
We as a family can afford within reason to grow due to our own lifestyle, with that in mind it seems more of the blame is to be placed on the arrogant mutts who lead wasteful greedy lifestyles.
Come on ... How do you justify imposing limits on a free thinking individual as wanting the best for everyone?
Your purposefully suggesting imposing your limits on others despite viable alternatives. If your not suggesting that everyone stop having kids until the population settles to what you consider a more 'reasonable' number, then ffs please...
stop trying to make it out to sound like I am being selfish for resisting someone irrational urge to impose their beliefs on me as I don't personally hold those same let's force some people to stop making kids.
Respect is a two way street. I respect your right to not bear children, but you need to respect my right to bear children.
It's being discussed by the greedy arrogant mutts who want to continue their choice of lifestyle. I did list some alternatives and I did agree that some R&D still needs to be continued before they can be realized, but none of those alternatives are impossible and in fact some are close enough to being implemented.
Look, the world as it stands today is about power and greed for more power, people don't give a rats under the tail section about this planet and if we continue on our current path, then *YES* population *will* be a problem as resource management is so screwed up right now.
Yet, given alternative sustainable lifestyle choices, population would not become that huge of a problem for a very long time. I mean, Christ, if we wanted to we could fit upwards to roughly two million people in two square miles with an arcology. If available land compared to human numbers is a problem, there is at least one solution. Three-hundred million people would fit in around one-hundred fifty square miles. With proper health industry set up instead of this greedy BS one we have now that is more concerned about money than actually helping people *not* get sick in the first place, it would be one hell of a great start. No more cars to trek a huge population all over the place. You seriously can't see any benefits in this at all, to the point where you still think we need to impose limits and take away a basic human right?
I just did the math with arcologies, in the USA alone we have enough landmass for *roughly* six-hundred trillion humans to have a home. Population problem my left nut.
Can't say I've got a source or anything, just I heard from some guys in uniform who visited my school once. It was part of their spill for getting recruits, but off subject.
Your kind of missing the point of what I was saying, it doesn't matter if only I learn that stuff and apply it, what matters if everyones taught that stuff and applies it; then our population size won't matter as much, because we will be producing insteading of consuming, and also would start producing less emissions as the new technology replaces the old. I mean if you're going to do something as drastic as population control you might as well shift the whole paradigm we live by.
I'll be opting for voluntary extermination in that case.
You don't think we'd have a way higher standard of healthcare with less people?
You act like people can just "set up" a "proper health industry".
do you really land as the only issue facing 600 trillion humans living together?
I dunno bro.....you haven't made a lot of sense thus far.