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I have researched and believe
it or not. the chinese 1 child rule is leanant compared to what has to happen
-- before 2025 for sure... at which time we will be cresting 10 - 11 billion ...
I asked them if they will volunteer for this planetary depopulation down to 2 billion... and at first they actually consider the question ... its amazing - people actually considered volunteering for it, and then realized that they had a 5 - 2 odds of being exterminated and said I dont think so... which is also interesting since they considered volunteering for it... they think ... ok, well how many people out of 7 billion dont think ... none ... they all think thus is human, and I'm sure there will be percentages that would volunteer and some of those would assist... the law of averages suggests.
what hitler was really up to: was a method of controlling populations,
I really dont have an answer for what needs to happen and in which the speed and scale is monsterous and the need very great, every system you can name is in a verticle decline.. the chages them selves will kill us we will not be able to adapt to the speed of the collapse, if we push forward with even more mouths to feed. we are destroying the earths ability to heal itself... like a smoker with lung cancer and he cant quit smoking..... understand...
Since it appears our wonderful technology has brought us on the cusp of total break down of our bioshere, we humans just might go extinct. after all do we live with or without nature... and nature always wins... so, in my mind the choices are clear - risk 100% extinction or reduce the population down to a level of in which we have the might to repair, and the earths ability to rebound after the industrial revolution... so 50 years we are all dead... or 500 years ... with a communist style management to include population culling - cuz, your useless for 20 years, you live 20 years and you die for 20 years... they will opt to legislate the later 20 years of life, a which time the only thing you have to look forward to is a long dirt nap. I believe they will terminate at age 65.
we have been told "global warming" well, what if I said it's the Oxygen that is depleating, would that scare you. it should, for us to exist without breathing apparatus we require oxygen at a certain level and certain pressures, with a comfortible nitrogen mix. O levels have declined just below 20% PPM, I suspect that is due to deforestation, but the Oceans have more to do with it than the trees.
The world is not overpopulated. Resources are mismanaged and greed and dishonor are the problems. People are also subjectively herded into population centers and technology to support large concentrations of people are suppressed. Rethink required. Over and out.
Asia is where the problem lies with the Global population at the moment.. Nuke Asia maybe?
Doubt that would work either..
Judging by what is happening in the EU and the wealthy populations across the planet, as society becomes more advanced and people become wealthier, the population decreases.. so with the boom in Asia at the moment, its very possible that their populations could start to decrease by 2050.
I prefer the idea of building arcologies so we can maximize available land for habitation and vertical farming to reduce land usage for crops. Couple that with more sustainable activities such as recycle everything rather than dumping it in landfills and we just may have a better chance at surviving rather than going extinct.
The problem is not overpopulation it's mismanagement of resources.
1 billion people living like we do in the west is not sustainable neither is 100 million, it's just a question of postponing the inevitable exhaustion of natural resources.
What we need to do is to use our resources better this means that things like the consumer society & fossil fuels need to go.
It wouldn't necessarily mean a lower standard of living except maybe for the very rich & powerful.
Those are all lovable ideas, but it's going to require money, manpower, science that isn't all the way there, research and development, etc etc...all the while continuing to grow, and continuing to make waste, a 100% recyclable world is waaaay off. Unless you wanna go back to living like native americans? Instead of completely changing our way of life, don't you think it would be easier to just, reduce our population? I don't get you guys...are you all really this hell bent on having kids?
It doesn't automatically mean that a lower population will help the economy. Take Japan for example. Their biggest problem right now, and even before, is their aging population which affects their economy due to the lack of demand for their goods that appeal to the younger generation.
Population control is never the answer. Forget that it advocates murder, or sterilization. There is simply a lot more space on the planet for more people. Last time I read, humans are only occupying around 7% of the planet.
Volunteering to lower the human population doesn't mean killing anyone or yourself.... it simply means we need to stop reproducing... and FAST! Condoms... birth control... very viable methods of not having a child!
And before any of you come in here and say 'well we have sex to make children' this is simply untrue. That's like saying, you eat food to poop, or drink water to pee. No, you have sex because you enjoy it. True, animals may do it to reproduce but, unlike us, they actually have a need to reproduce and make more of themselves... we don't.
Voluntary population control is a wonderful idea until it's ME that has to 'volunteer.' Until I can get over that hurdle individually it seems a little unfair to expect anyone else to embrace it...even when I DO come to grips with my temporary nature and decide that my 'useful' time has expired, it's still a little creepy on my part to think that there is someone on this planet, some committee, some 'working group' that can decide, on whatever criteria they would deem necessary, the value of extending a life, or allowing a new life to be brought into this world.
The reality of it is that we don't NEED voluntary population control. Mother nature is going to take care of that for us. For all of our intelligence, we are animals. We are animals in a closed system with limited resources. We may not be anywhere close right now to that line where we haven't enough, but animals without a predator will grow unchecked. Disease, overcrowding, competition for available resources WILL enforce an optimum population. We are delusional to think that we can manipulate that fact of nature.
We live in a world of greed and until that fundamental flaw is addressed and corrected (good luck), we are doomed to resource limitations and shortages. It's not the earth, she could support thirty or forty billion easily, given the correct attitude of cooperation and the elimination of personal wealth and therefor greed.
You ARE right in that the world needs a major shift in behavior in order to sustain the current population growth, but by limiting that growth to the forced or voluntary artificial system maintenance by way of 'population control', you never address the core problem with humanity and as such, will always end up in the position we are in now. Too many people for everyone to live comfortably.
It's not the number of people, my friend. It's the greed.
I'm sure there will be a pandemic starting in China, which will wipe out half of SE Asia. Problem solved.
Granted a lot of R&D is still needed, but that doesn't inherently make it an impossibility either. Personally, I think we could reach a one-hundred percent recyclable society, it's a matter of developing the right technologies and recycling processes rather than keeping our current pace of wastefulness. It probably would be easier to depopulate the world, but I also think taking human life or limiting human right is going to far for any individual. What if I were in charge of depopulation and I ordered your family exterminated or unable to breed continuing your genetic stock successfully ending your family line?
We can't just start killing people or limiting their rights by imposing ridiculous laws, not when we have other alternatives or the ability to develop other alternatives. It just seems rather barbaric to depopulate the world just so we can keep current societies wastefulness in full swing. Eventually there will come a time where either waste will become to huge a factor to ignore or human population increases again. It sounds like nothing more than someone trying to justify killing billions of people for their own greediness. Would you be one of the people to volunteer dying for the sake of only a few billion people?
I think we need to start building a masive base on the the moon and start populating the moon, we have the technology to do almost anything and now we know thier is water.
Its time to start build our own Stargates miles long and start traveling through space, they need to stop playing with nukes and wars and work together to build our Stargate Fleets.
Then we can searching for new planets for us to live on, stop worrying about money and everyone should be equal no rich no poor if you work and help do things you get pretty much whatever you want might have to wait a month or so but you will get it and food everyone should be fed and given a home.
when, when could we reach this 100% recyclable society?
I DO NOT ADVOCATE EXTERMINATION AS A FORM OF POPULATION CONTROL!!!!
I won't be having kids. Why would I?
I never advocated or tried to justify killing billions, and therefor would not volunteer, I've talked about other solutions, you're jumping to conclusions, and I will eat you alive for it if you don't wise up.