CDC, FDA, CBC, and WHO consider homosexuality a health risk, page 3
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 12:53 PM by idle_rocker
reply to post by rogerstigers



From:

www.cdc.gov...

Since HIV/AIDS in MSM was first diagnosed 1981, gay and bisexual men have been leaders in dealing with the challenges of the epidemic. Gay organizations and activists, through their work, have contributed greatly to many of the guidelines for prevention, treatment, and the care of people living with HIV/AIDS.

For complex reasons, HIV/AIDS continues to take a high toll on the MSM population. For example, the number of new HIV/AIDS cases among MSM in 2005 was 11% more than the number of cases in 2001. It is unclear whether this increase is due to more testing, which results in more diagnoses, or to an increase in the number of HIV infections. Whatever the reasons, in 2005, MSM still accounted for about 53% of all new HIV/AIDS cases and 71% of cases in male adults and adolescents.


Last Modified: September 25, 2009
Last Reviewed: September 25, 2009
Content Source:
Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention
National Center for HIV/AIDS, Viral Hepatitis, STD, and TB Prevention

MSM = Men who have sex with men

I_R


reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 12:53 PM by Ulala
reply to post by dbates



The authorities don't consider homosexuals in themselves to be a health risk. Your thread title is simply wrong.

They consider unprotected, penetrative sex a health risk. And because homosexuals are most likely to engage in such activity, they've decided not to accept their blood for donation purposes. Fair enough. But in my experience at least, for every guy who enjoys "pitching and receiving" there's another for whom that holds no attraction whatever.

It's discriminatory to blanket ban those careful gay guys who choose not to mow the back garden lawn or who always rubber up ... yet not ban those straights for whom sexual restraint is as much a foreign concept as it is for those unrepresentative gay men who trawl the bathhouses.

Personally I'd much rather my emergency blood transfusion came from a careful homosexual than a promiscuous straight guy ... and from a promiscuous straight guy than a bigot with an agenda.


reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 12:56 PM by detachedindividual
reply to post by dbates



I had to come back in now that some others are finding the same argument with your post as I.

Ok, I'll break it down into bite-sized chunks for you, and I'll start at the beginning...

The various sexualities didn't exist before the beginning of the 20th century. The tern "homosexual" was coined by a Human Rights activist and author (I forget the name) in protest at Nazi ideals about sexuality and control.

That is where the three sexual labels began. Prior to that, people simply had sexual relations with other adults and it wasn't generally discussed in open socity.

In the 1930's Alfred Kinsey began research into diverse sexuality in Humans.

Perhaps due to his work, or the discussions amongst the scientific and medical fields afterwards, the connection was made between anal intercourse and homosexuality. It wasn't a great leap, but the act was closely connected through "default" more than anything else (what else could they do, right?)

That connection stuck. There has never been such widely discussed and noted research since Kinsey as far as I am aware. Yes there are further studies, but most of them (trust me on this if you can, I research sexuality as a writer) are based on the basic link between anal intercourse and homosexuality. There has never been any widely observed sexual research conducted since Kinsey which focuses on anything other than anal intercourse when discussing sex between men.
They all ignore the fact that not all bisexual or homosexual men enjoy this activity, or have EVER engaged in this activity, it is simply taken for granted that they do or have.

So, the medical community, because of the research previously conducted (however long ago) still believes that "gay" = "anal intercourse".

This act in and of itself is a high risk sexual activity, regardless of those taking part. But the belief that gay men have only this to enjoy dictates that the frequency of exposure to risk is significantly higher amongst this community.

That is why such government and medical professionals hold true to the stereotype, there simply hasn't been any recognised research into male/male sexual activity since it was asserted that this act is closely ascribed to homosexual lifestyle.

If there was some more up-to-date sexual research conducted amongst gay men, and it was then taken on board by such medical authorities, I dare say the attitude would change.
They would have to replace the ban on actively gay men with a ban on any person who regularly engages in anal intercourse, regardless of their sexual identity.

Now, the reason I have such a flammable response to your post and opinion, is because you have "insinuated" again and again that there is something inherently "wrong" with gay people, that they are unhealthy. But you are using an interesting and justified discussion about WHY this is the case as a disguise to spout a bigoted view about sexuality in general.
You have repeatedly refused to accept the discussion about WHY gay men are barred from giving blood, as I have laid out for you above (which is just my opinion), and instead you stick to a closed opinion that there is something being hidden to support a personal view you hold.

Your post is not about asking why these authorities have this view, it is about supporting your homophobic opinion.


reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 01:03 PM by dbates
Originally posted by rogerstigers
You have yet to convince me of anything other than the fact that the medical establishment moves at a turtles pace when it comes to accepting social changes.

It's not the job of the medical establishment to rule on social changes. Their job is to tell us what is and what is not healthy for our bodies. It will always be equally harmful to lay out in the sun till you turn red. It doesn't matter if the latest fad is to have red skin. I would hope medical professionals never succumb to social whims.


Originally posted by rogerstigers
There is no viable evidence that I have seen that says that gays are at more risk of AIDS or other STDs than any other sexual orientation.

You can say that but do you have any proof to counter what M.D. Kevin M. De Cock, director of the WHO Department of HIV/AIDS, has to say (See original post). It's his professional opinion and the opinion of the WHO, CDC, and FDA that homosexuals are at more of a HIV risk than heterosexual people.

Just as a follow up, here's a recent study from the Center for Disease Control (CDC).

MSM (men who have sex with men) is the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have
declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM
has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.

Overall, one in four MSM participating in the study was infected.

CDC Fact Sheet - HIV/AIDS among gay and bisexual men
August 2009


One in four (25%) in the study were infected with HIV. Do we get it now or do we keep proclaiming this to be some great liberation for men? Are we still claiming there's no elevated risk? I don't see how. The CDC has very good reason for excluding homosexual men from blood donations. This is Exhibit A and a very recent study.


[edit on 12-10-2009 by dbates]



reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 01:07 PM by idle_rocker
reply to post by dbates



I listed the percentages in my post above Dbates. You may have missed. There is definitely a high percentage of MSM's who contract the virus according to the CDC and it was updated this past September so numbers are current.

I_R


reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 01:10 PM by rogerstigers
reply to post by dbates



No, I saw the post further up from idle_rocker. There is indeed adequate evidence there that there is an increase and higher potential in gay and bisexual men to be tested positive for HIV infection than other groups. I can understand now why the CDC would blanket ban a whole gender of people based on their sexual preferences from donating blood. I can also now understand why lesbians and bisexual woman are not blocked since they are apparently not in the high risk group.

If this is the whole and the crux of this thread, then the numbers make sense and explain the policy in a way that is not any more prejudiced than preventing IV drug users or people who had hepatitis from donating blood. It's a medical risk based on statistics.

If however, as you stated, this is proof that they shouldn't have the same civil rights that everyone else has, then I guess Lesbians and Bi-women are safe and can marry now, huh?


reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 01:11 PM by marg6043
reply to post by rogerstigers



You know the entire thing is making me laugh, because actually Sodomy is practice by heterosexual people also.

So, are we to ask heterosexual woman if they practice sodomy?
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