Originally posted by Hanslune
Sargoth there were two C-14 dating expeditions, you seem to have used only the first. The second was more expansive and got a better average you may wish to look at that.
dating the pyramids via c-14....... are you serious?
Problems with Radiometric and Carbon-14 Dating
1. The material to be dated must be organic.
2. The organism to be tested must have gotten its C-14 from the atmosphere.
3. The sample has remained chemically and physically in a closed system since its emplacement.
4. That we know what the atmospheric concentration of C-14 was when the organism lived.
which brings you to some half-time fun.....
Google Video Link |
Robert Wenke, John Nolan, and Ala'a Amran collect and log samples for radiocarbon dating from the pyramid of Menkaure at Giza. Pyramid of Khafre is in background
how very dramatic..... searching for 'organic vacuumed dust'
anyways lets dig the real deal.....
Dating the Pyramids Volume 52 Number 5, September/October 1999 by members of the David H. Koch Pyramids Radiocarbon Project
It was an odd sensation climbing over the Great Pyramid, looking for minute flecks of charcoal or other datable material, loaded down with cameras, scales, notebooks, and forms with entries for sample number, site, monument, area, feature, material (charcoal, reed, wood, etc.), matrix (gypsum mortar, mud brick, etc.), date, time, notes on details, extracted by, logged by, photograph numbers, and sketches. It was 1984 and the Edgar Cayce Foundation, named for an early twentieth-century psychic who claimed that the Sphinx and Khufu's Great Pyramid were built in 10,500 B.C., was paying for the analysis of our samples. Old friends and supporters of the deceased psychic had visited Giza in the early 1980s and several of them were willing to put their beliefs to the test by radiocarbon dating the Great Pyramid. Archaeologists believe it is the work of the Old Kingdom Dynasty 4 society that rose to prominence in the Nile Valley from ca. 3000 B.C. and built the Giza Pyramids in a span of 85 years between 2589 and 2504 B.C.
1984 Results. The 1984 radiocarbon dates from monuments spanning Dynasty 3 (Djoser) to late Dynasty 5 (Unas), averaged 374 years older than the Cambridge Ancient History dates of the kings with whom the pyramids are identified. In spite of this discrepancy, the radiocarbon dates confirmed that the Great Pyramid belonged to the historical era studied by Egyptologists. In dealing with the 374-year discrepancy, we had to consider the old wood problem. In 1984 we thought it was unlikely that the pyramid builders consistently used centuries-old Egyptian wood as fuel in preparing mortar. Ancient Egypt's population was compressed in the narrow confines of the Nile Valley with a tree cover, we assumed, that was sparse compared to less arid lands. We expected that by the pyramid age the Egyptians had been intensively exploiting wood for fuel for a long time and that old trees had been harvested long before. The 1984 results left us with too little data to conclude that the historical chronology of the Old Kingdom was in error by nearly 400 years, but we considered this at least a possibility. Alternatively, if our radiocarbon age estimations were in error for some reason, we had to assume that many other dates obtained from Egyptian materials were also suspect. This prompted a second, larger study.
wow.... it seems the mysteries behind the construction techniques are already solved
and we are left to only 'imagine'.... workers deforesting the plateau to use the 'wood' as fuel for making mortar
The 1995 Project. During 1995 samples were collected from the Dynasty 1 tombs at Saqqara to the Djoser pyramid, the Giza Pyramids, and a selection of Dynasty 5 and 6 and Middle Kingdom pyramids. Samples were also taken from our excavations at Giza where two largely intact bakeries were discovered in 1991. The calibrated dates from the 1995 Old Kingdom pyramid samples tended to be 100 to 200 years older than the historical dates for the respective kings and about 200 years younger than our 1984 dates. The number of dates from both 1984 and 1995 was only large enough to allow for statistical comparisons for the pyramids of Djoser, Khufu, Khafre, and Menkaure. There are two striking results. First, there are significant discrepancies between 1984 and 1995 dates for Khufu and Khafre, but not for Djoser and Menkaure. Second, the 1995 dates are scattered, varying widely even for a single monument. For Khufu, they scatter over a range of about 400 years. By contrast, we have fair agreement between our historical dates, previous radiocarbon dates, and our radiocarbon dates on reed for the Dynasty 1 tombs at North Saqqara. We also have fair agreement between our radiocarbon dates and historical dates for the Middle Kingdom. Eight calibrated dates on straw from the pyramid of Senwosret II ranged from 103 years older to 78 years younger than the historical dates for his reign, with four dates off by only 30, 24, 14, and three years. Significantly, the older date was on charcoal.
in other words... all those samples were known to have started decaying right at the time the pyramids were built
but we can prove that carbon dates are accurate..... there are usually two ways cited to do this......
1. We can date things for which historians know the right answer.
2. We can date things that have been dated by some other method.
i suppose this has something to do with synchronicity of fractal time....
cntd......
[edit on 16/10/09 by mcrom901]
Coffin, Kepha....Petra....the one the KRST builds on, who is Horus, who is Jesus,
who is Elvis.....1 for the money, 2 for the show, 3 to get ready....now go sphinx go. 
