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posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 06:14 AM
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The rumored Hall of Records has been shrouded in controversy and has been the subject of conspiracy theory for many years. I thought it would be interesting to bring this topic back to life here on ATS as it would serve to enlighten those who were previously unaware of the Hall and its stories and in doing so, get the more knowledgeable opinions of some of our senior members on the topic.

What is the fabled 'Hall of Records'?




Hall of Records is reportedly a library buried under the Great Sphinx of Giza, which is in the Giza pyramid complex. It is rumoured to house the knowledge of the Egyptians by papyrus scrolls, much as the Great Library of Alexandria housed Grecian knowedge. There is debate as to whether the Hall actually exists or not, but all excavation in the area has so far yielded no conclusive results.



The origins of the story about the "Hall of Records" are unknown, though the idea that there is a cavity around the sphinx dates back to Pliny the Elder. In Pliny's Natural History, he states that "[the Egyptians] are of the opinion that a King Harmais is buried inside it." The psychic Edgar Cayce had several psychic readings of the Hall of Records. He claimed that in 1998 the Hall would be discovered and opened and humanity would move into a new era of prosperity. Cayce also suggested that the opening would coincide with the Second Coming of Christ.



Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval, in "Message of the Sphinx" stated that American archeologists and the Egyptian government had in the past blocked investigations around the Sphinx, including attempts to locate any underground cavities.



According to some, the Hall was not the work of Ancient Egyptians at all but another society (this has ranged from advanced prehistoric societies to a superior race of intelligent beings). Accordingly, this society sealed the Hall away with scrolls of their accumulated knowledge at about 10,500 BC—the last period of time when the constellation of Leo was located between the Sphinx's paws when it rose in the night sky.


en.wikipedia.org...

Has there been any scientific proof of underground areas beneath the Sphinx?




Ground Penetrating Radar (GPR) made its introduction in the 1970s, and has been used on the Giza plateau since the 1980s.



In 1998, Abbas Mohamed Abbas was asked to study how best to restore the Sphinx and its protection against groundwater penetration. But now, Abbas has been involved in a series of exploration work, rather than preservation. And some will argue it is long overdue…



In February 2006, Abbas returned to the Giza plateau with GPR technology, this time to “investigate deep-wide parts of the plateau to reveal any hidden shafts or tunnels throughout the studied sectors.” Nine areas of potential interest had been identified, which Abbas and his team subjected to a series of detailed scans.



*Map showing the nine areas subjected to GPR analysis


n the report of his finding, appearing in NRIAG Journal of Geophysics, Abbas states that “the results of the survey support the possibility of the presence of undisclosed relics, of high value”. These are powerful claims to make and they do go beyond the available evidence as presented in the report, which “merely” points out the presence of subterranean cavities.

The report states that they have identified two likely caves and one possible shaft, filled in with clays or sandy clays, one located close to the southern side of Khufu’s pyramid, the second around the causeway of Khafre’s pyramid. Other features “of less mass” have been delineated close to the eastern side of Khafre’s pyramid and – no doubt of interest to some alternative historians – close to the entrance door to the northern side of the Sphinx.



Abbas concludes: “we can presume the existence of a momentous diversity of archaeological structures at the Pyramids plateau which remain, as yet, unexposed. These structures could be a linked net of tunnels and shafts that may well lead to precious tombs.” It is an enigmatic statement to make, and is either Abbas’ wording to guarantee that future funding is received, or that he has additional data, not included in the report, that warrants his optimism.



William Brown, an American Civil Engineer who was involved with the 2006 Polish Research Team and is a regular visitor to the Giza plateau. In January 2008, he learned about the release of Abbas’ report through the Philip Coppens website. He too agreed that Abbas’ report is not what you would expect to read in a scientific magazine. It “hints” at more. And the first “clue” that something was afoot with the report came when Brown noticed that Abbas had only posted one section of the three GPR scans of the Causeway between the Second Pyramid and the rear of the Sphinx.



*GPR profile of cave-like phenomena in area 1 and area 2

Now i know that this article might be a lot to take in, but believe me, it just stinks of conspiracy the further you go. Continue reading!


Brown states how “in Dr Abbas posting of the locations of the causeway scans, he indicated the exact distances and directions, etc. He indicated a 10 meter gap area between the ending of section 2 and the beginning of section 3 of the missing Sphinx Causeway sections of the Report. At first I did not notice anything out of the normal, until I visited the area again [in early February 2008], with my own updated report in hand. I then understood why Abbas did not post the other two sections and possibly why he may not have been allowed to scan the 10 meter area listed above. My own research indicated that about 57 years ago, something was discovered in that missing causeway section gap area, and that perhaps even the Dr Abbas project was not permitted to scan it!”



This ‘missing’ information in itself provides a logical framework as to why Abbas’ report is so “speculative” in its conclusions: the GPR did discover certain interesting anomalies, but these appear to have been edited out of the final, published report. Egypt has seen similar “the absence of evidence proves there is a conspiracy” cases before, and many ended in nothing but wild speculation, without anything ever seen or heard from them again. But unlike those claims – whether true or not – Brown notes that he is not talking about a complete lack of evidence, or wild speculation; it’s just that there is no logical reason why Abbas did not scan a ten meter section of the third section of the Sphinx Causeway, nor report underground features in area 8. The question then is: why not?

www.philipcoppens.com...


*Profile of 2006 GPR tomb-like anomaly discovered under the Sphinx causeway



Szynkiewwicz states that within certain portions of the 2006 GPR scan profile of the Sphinx Causeway, i.e. specifically section 6 (A), there is a tomb-like anomaly not discussed in the original Abbas report. Section 6 (A) also reflects an indication of at least three tomb-like anomalies below the causeway based on very special and unique anomaly profile features, this according to Szynkiewicz.


So something is definitely 'fishy' with the research done into underground cavities beneath the Sphinx.

Continued...




posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 06:14 AM
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Continued...

What is rumored to be in the Hall of Records?



It was Edgar Cayce, the "sleeping prophet," who popularized the idea of a secret chamber associated with the Sphinx. According to Cayce, there is a "Hall of Records" with an entrance to be found between the paws of the Sphinx. In answer to the request, "Give in detail what the sealed room contains," Cayce answered:



A record of Atlantis from the beginning of those periods when the Spirit took form, or began the encasements in that land; and the developments of the peoples throughout their sojourn; together with the record of the first destruction, and the changes that took place in the land; with the record of the sojournings of the peoples and their varied activities in other lands, and a record of the meetings of all the nations or lands, for the activities in the destruction of Atlantis; and the building of the pyramid of initiation, together with whom, what, and where the opening of the records would come, that are as copies from the sunken Atlantis. For with the change, it [Atlantis] must rise again. In position, this lies -- as the sun rises from the waters -- as the line of the shadows (or light) falls between the paws of the Sphinx; that was set later as the sentinel or guard and which may not be entered from the connecting chambers from the Sphinx's right paw until the time has been fulfilled when the changes must be active in this sphere of man's experience. Then [it lies] between the Sphinx and the river. [378-16; Oct 29, 1933]






I wish i had more time to expand this thread but i really don't.

Could there really be a secret chamber built by the Egyptians underneath the Sphinx as some research has suggested?

Could this be the fabled Hall of Records pertaining forgotten knowledge regarding humanity?

Why is further research being suppressed?

Hopefully it sparks some interesting discussion!



[edit on 12/10/2009 by serbsta]



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 06:34 AM
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The second picture up from the bottom is interesting. I was under the impression that the Hall of Recods was actually in the Sphinx's paw. Understandably, the Egyptians wouldn't want somebody ripping apart the paw of a monument to look for a hall of records. Thats like someone coming to Mount Rushmore and digging into the eye of George Washington looking for a secret something. Ok, that was a bit extreme, but same concept.

However, if there are stairs in front of the Sphinx, can't we just dig into the dirt until we hit the stairs? It wouldn't destroy anything but sand. Some days I think we should form a covert digging squad to go in and stealthily dig out the hall, gather samples/pictures then get out. Nobody else seems to want to do anything



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 06:45 AM
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This is the way I see it:

Zahi Hawass - Secretary General of the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities is the dodgiest, most corrupt and habitually lying archeologist known to man. This man has been the instigator of blocking ALL outside attempts at performing digs and expeditions to answer claims like the Hall of Records. His claims of wanting to save Egyptian antiquities from theft appear noble, but IMO are just a cover for hiding what is truly there. His excuses wear thinner and thinner as the years go by.

I personally believe something is there, not only because I have done a lot of reading on it and much evidence points to something being under the Sphinx but also because if Zahi Hawass is not allowing investigations there, he is hiding something.

Ever seen the 'behind the scenes' footage of how he treats his inferiors/slaves? He is a despicable man.

[edit on 12/10/2009 by Kryties]



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 06:57 AM
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Digging for the books will not yield anything. The despicable Mr. Hawass (or someone else of equal despicableness) took them already and most likely replaced it with something insignificant. Once the Hall of Records recovery is approved and finished, there would be nothing there of value thus setting the authority of Hawass in everything ancient Egyptian.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by fleetlord

However, if there are stairs in front of the Sphinx, can't we just dig into the dirt until we hit the stairs? It wouldn't destroy anything but sand. Some days I think we should form a covert digging squad to go in and stealthily dig out the hall, gather samples/pictures then get out. Nobody else seems to want to do anything


Yes that is the problem and hence the conspiracy. There are many ways that research could be done without damaging anything, contrary to what Mr. Hawas says.

Thanks for the flags, appreciated.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 09:02 AM
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Bummmmmp!

Sorry, just didn't want this to get lost down so early.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Ah great more speculation

Cayce as 'evidence' is always good for a laugh

Some other research of the areas around the Sphinx

2003 work at Giza

Two earlier investigation of the area around the Sphinx



In 1973-4 . . . the first in a series of serious pioneering projects was launched, using ground-penetrating radar and other high-tech remote sensing equipment to locate "anomalies" under the bedrock beneath the Sphinx. These projects were channeled through well-established academic institutions - the Ain Shams University in Cairo and the prestigious Stanford Research Institute (SRI) in the USA.

In 1977 the US National Science Foundation funded a project at Giza again involving the SRI. This time use was made of several new techniques such as resistivity measurements (from metal rods driven into the rock across which an electric current was passed), magnetometry, and also the latest aerial photography and thermal infrared image-enhancing techniques. According to the SRI team's official report: "Several anomalies were observed as a result of our resistivity survey at the Sphinx ... Behind the rear paws (north-west end) we ran two traverses. Both traverses indicate an anomaly that could possibly be due to a tunnel aligned north-west to south-east ..." Two other anomalies were noted, deep in the bedrock "in front of the paws of the Sphinx."


Letter from the guy who did the SRI investigation

Plus an earlier thread on the same subject

The same old subject

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[edit on Tue Oct 13 2009 by Jbird]



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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Great thread and good find, the philipcoppens article shows how Hawass hides and manipulates evidence. Read it and weep Hans.

I have to repeat it. Edgar C. didn't say the "Hall of Records" is under the Sphinx. Read the last line of his reading. It says

IT LIES BETWEEN THE SPHINX AND THE RIVER!!!

Just as Larry Hunter says the "Hall of Records" Pyramid is buried about 100 yards in front of the Sphinx. He said it was dug up in the past but reburied. Cayce also says that

IT MAY NOT BE ENTERED FROM THE CONNECTING CHAMBERS FROM THE RIGHT PAW.

The entrance is behind the right paw which is blocked by that square construction and shown in a 1926 photo which I can't find any more. I'm sure Zahi blocked it on purpose so no one could get in there, which is what Cayce said.

www.larryhunter.com... (scroll down to see photos)



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posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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Certainly if there are hidden records and they show that the Pyramids were not built by the Egyptians you know it will be hidden from public view.
Maybe one day when they change who is in charge of Antiquities we will be closer to the truth.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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Howdy Aquarius



Certainly if there are hidden records and they show that the Pyramids were not built by the Egyptians you know it will be hidden from public view.


Why? Would Europeans who ran Egyptology until the 1950s have done this? Why would they care? Non Egyptian creation of the pyramids would have certainly have been interesting. Of course all evidence points to them being Egyptian made so that 'secret' won't come out now will it? LOL

How did they stop looters from discovering it? Up to 1990s you could bribe your way into any ancient facility in Egypt - so why was nothing found?

The cliche is used all the time to explain away the lack of evidence.

Sadly Sargoth you fail to realize who and what Phillip Coppens is if you wish to believe anything he writes...well that is your problem. LOL



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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Should of made myself clearer, I was actually talking about more recent so called discoveries and what may be kept from us, also the fact that they really don't know who built the Pyramids, but what do I know. Hawass doesn't want to know if it were someone or something other then the Egyptians.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by Aquarius1
reply to post by Hanslune
 


Should of made myself clearer, I was actually talking about more recent so called discoveries and what may be kept from us, also the fact that they really don't know who built the Pyramids, but what do I know. Hawass doesn't want to know if it were someone or something other then the Egyptians.


Howdy again Aquarius1

Well actually all known evidence points to the Egyptians building all the Pyramids.

His POV as I understand it is that he is intolerant of unevidence claims that Egyptians didn't built them. He is especially concerned that many of these claims take as part of their rational that Egyptologists, Archaeologist and all scientist associated with studying Egypt are somehow blind, idiots or part of vast conspiracy. He has little time for such theories.

But not to worry in two years he retires and the next guy may be more retrospective.

Sargoth a request can you link to or post a full copy of Cayce's comments on the hall of record. All I can find are bits and pieces, thanks

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posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 12:10 PM
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I find this subject fascinating. There is definitely more than meets the eye when it comes to Egyptian ruins. With Andrew Collins recent discovery of a cave complex under the pyramids, I think it highly probable that there also exists hidden chambers under the Sphinx as well.

Nice job OP! S&F

BTW, check out this thread, has lots of great discussion on Andrew Collins discovery. Perhaps it ties into your work as well.

Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids




posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Aquarius1
reply to post by Hanslune
 


Howdy again Aquarius1

Well actually all known evidence points to the Egyptians building all the Pyramids.

His POV as I understand it is that he is intolerant of unevidence claims that Egyptians didn't built them. He is especially concerned that many of these claims take as part of their rational that Egyptologists, Archaeologist and all scientist associated with studying Egypt are somehow blind, idiots or part of vast conspiracy. He has little time for such theories.

But not to worry in two years he retires and the next guy may be more retrospective.

Howdy to you Hanslune
Thanks for your reply, my question has always been not so much who built them but when.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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Hey Hans, I can only find bits and pieces myself. The main reading I was referring to is the second post on this thread by Serbsta.

Don't know if this one helps.
www.edgarcayce.org...

books.google.com...'s+readings+on+the+hall+of+records&source=bl&ots=cs371ijd WY&sig=TWcsxEiKaqmFx6QOFsYw7mfDsc4&hl=en&ei=LsLUSuO3EYjEsQPGjYHfCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CB0Q6AEwCTgU#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Now Hans, when you said all evidence points to Egyptians as the only builders of all pyramids, you know that's just your opinion.
Since the Egyptians used hieroglyphs to display all aspects of their lives, why is there none about building the pyramids? If there is please post it. It is my belief along with many others that the pyramids and temples (Osirian) with no Hieroglyphs, were not made by the Egyptians but by Thoth/Hermes/Enoch and who ever helped him, around 12,500 yrs. ago. Now you may consider him to be Egyptian which is fine, I'm not aware of solid evidence to prove that he was Atlantean, and he may have had local people help. I don't know if the local people of that time are considered Egyptians or not. What date do you consider the beginning of Egyptian culture? Ive read orthodox opinion to be about 3100 BC.

There is some wild things I can tell you about Atlantis. Sheldan Nidle's sources say the Atlantean Elites at 11,500 yrs. ago planned to destroy a group that lived in the Gobi desert of northern China. They say Earth originally had 2 small moons. Our present moon is artificial and was towed here about 25,000 yrs. ago. It was made by the Reptilians to do battle with the Galactic Federation. Many of the craters are from bomb and weapons fire. It is a titanium alloy shell covered in asteroid belt debris. It's orbit is unusually circular, as opposed to natural eccentric orbits. It's perfectly in sync revolution with Earth is another indicator of it's artificial placement. The first natural moon was used to destroy Lemuria and the second was to destroy the people of the Gobi. He said they would use space craft with tractor beams to pull the moon to the Lagrange point, then carve into it with particle beams, and rain down thousands of huge chunks as meteors, which would puncture the gas belts and volcanic pockets under the ground ultimately destroying the whole continent. Well something went very wrong and instead they destroyed their own continent of Atlantis. I know this sounds incredible. I had a hard time with it myself and I put it in the I don't know category. However, I saw in an article in Nexus magazine that said there are over 500,000 craters on the sea floor and land of the Carolinas. Certainly makes you wonder.

hamptonroads.com... (article on carolina craters thought to be about 12,000 yrs old)

www.paoweb.com...





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posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Aggie Man
I find this subject fascinating. There is definitely more than meets the eye when it comes to Egyptian ruins. With Andrew Collins recent discovery of a cave complex under the pyramids, I think it highly probable that there also exists hidden chambers under the Sphinx as well.

Nice job OP! S&F

BTW, check out this thread, has lots of great discussion on Andrew Collins discovery. Perhaps it ties into your work as well.

Cave Complex Allegedly Found Under Giza Pyramids



I've read that whole thread already and found it fascinating. It probably served in part as inspiration for this.



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 12:11 AM
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Howdy Sargoth



Now Hans, when you said all evidence points to Egyptians as the only builders of all pyramids, you know that's just your opinion.


Hans: It’ what would be called an evidenced opinion. I can show hard evidence in support of said contention. Non-Egyptian construction of the pyramids has no evidence AFAIK




Since the Egyptians used hieroglyphs to display all aspects of their lives, why is there none about building the pyramids? If there is please post it.


Hans: Vyse found a number of marks in the relieving chambers. It is thought the inner pyramids were lined with wooden panels which were decorated with writing. There is lots of other evidence for their construction by the Egyptians in the 25th century and none for the other ideas




It is my belief along with many others that the pyramids and temples (Osirian) with no Hieroglyphs, were not made by the Egyptians but by Thoth/Hermes/Enoch and who ever helped him, around 12,500 yrs. ago.


Hans: There are no building in Egypt that date to age, nor is there any sign of this society, no habitations, no pottery no tools, nothing really just neolithic villages and nomadic hunter-gathers.




What date do you consider the beginning of Egyptian culture? Ive read orthodox opinion to be about 3100 BC.


Hans: It really depends, some date it to the unification of Egypt by Narmer which is the date you suggest but obviously there was something there before with varying complexity back to Neolithic villages. Sometimes called the pre-dynastic period, maybe back to 4,500 that line is somewhat fuzzy!

[deleting a whole lot of sci-fi]




However, I saw in an article in Nexus magazine that said there are over 500,000 craters on the sea floor and land of the Carolinas. Certainly makes you wonder.


Hans: Yep it’s thought a storm of asteroids/comet came in at some point - or repeatedly and made those marks however the dating of the ‘bays’ is inconsistent.

Other points

The Mokattam plateau is made of limestone - like most limestone it has water fissures and caves.

[edit on 14/10/09 by Hanslune]



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 12:28 AM
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I saw an unrelated video, to this thread, today that mentioned the Hall of Records being in the Labyrinth of Hawara. I'm not much on Egyptian archeology so I thought I might see what you guys think.

A quick Google search turned up this. Now I have to say that this guy is a little wacky, but I wonder if there could be any truth to this.

[edit on 10/14/2009 by hecticskeptic]



posted on Oct, 14 2009 @ 02:45 AM
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Now Hans you know very well the graffiti that Vyse found is not accepted by everyone. Many think he hoaxed it. I certainly would not equate that misspelled scribble with the elaborate walls of hieroglyphs the Pharaohs would decorate their temples with. It can't be dated and it can't be determined if it's original or restoration. So it's not solid evidence. Let's use some common sense. Don't you think the Pharaohs, who thought of themselves as gods would want to take credit for the most magnificent structures ever built on earth. Of course they would. Their writing would be all over it. But it isn't. That's mighty solid evidence, proof in my opinion that the Pharaohs didn't build the ones without hieroglyphs originally. They just repaired them and maybe modified them in some way. The Sphinx's head has certainly been re-carved. The weathering of the Sphinx enclosure while still being debated has been pushed back way before Khufu. So that eliminates him and Khafre as original builders IMO.

Check out this 4 pt. video, especially 4:36 of part 2. It confirms Drunvalo Melchizedek.
www.youtube.com...




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