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Originally posted by Devino
I believe that Jesus was against the establishment, like the Church, and was all for Understanding (or if you will, Gnosis). I have a congregation at my house every Easter. Everyone that is there is offered more food than they can eat, I don't hoard my money but actually give some away (hidden in Easter eggs) and everyone is considered equal (no rules about hats in my house).
Oh...and a few other things...
No excommunications.
No burning people alive at any time.
No inquisitions.
No raping nor molesting of children.
No belittling nor destroying of others' religions or their symbols/writings.
No preaching of fear and ignorance (we actually promote Love and Understanding or Gnosticism).
Now, can the Vatican say the same?
Originally posted by Alethea
1) Remember when they sold indulgences?
Yes, you could pay your way out of hell and better your changes at...well, maybe purgatory.
They have always taken advantage of the illiterate and the ignorant.
2) Remember when they would not allow people to own or read the "holy books"?
3)Remember when they went into starving countries and bribed people with rice and yams?
[edit on 12-10-2009 by Alethea]
Originally posted by Alethea
Liars and thieves can never be "heroes".
Don't sell the vatican----end the vatican.
It has always been an oppressive regime.
Remember when they sold indulgences?
Yes, you could pay your way out of hell and better your changes at...well, maybe purgatory.
They have always taken advantage of the illiterate and the ignorant.
Remember when they would not allow people to own or read the "holy books"?
Remember when they went into starving countries and bribed people with rice and yams?
Is it possible that this bribery still occurs? Is it possible that "the elite" "the bankers" "the illuminati" are just the knights, bishops, and rooks in this little game?
Is it possible that mortgage scams, homelessness, poverty, and hunger has actually been orchestrated to promote dependency on faith based initiatives? Is this how they will try to recoup their power?
Churches have lost a lot of membership; people are waking up to their lies and manipulation. They are loosing control and they have to regain it somehow. Mass dependency seems like a plan. But it won't be for everyone. Only the ones who pass their test of "judgements" will be fed and housed. Ah yes, they will say the church has entered the "Age of Judgement" and they will have a dossier on everyone, thanks to ACORN and other statistical bureaus.
Eventually, even those who have been accepted to receive the 'faith charities' will be screened more diligently as they weed out the dregs of those who are not capable of hard work. The hard work being to restore the planet to its Paradise condition.
Funny, Jesus never mentioned a planetary restoration. As a matter of fact, if you want to get technical about it, John 14: 2 quotes Jesus as saying "I go to prepare a place for you." He goes on to say 'I will come back for you so that you can be with me where I am.'...or something like that.
Sell the vatican--feed the poor?
When money is more worthless by the hour, who can eat gold?
The vatican had their chance.
The time is over.
END the Vatican!
[edit on 12-10-2009 by Alethea]
Originally posted by eradown
The biggest critics of Catholicism usually are communists and socialists. They really should not point fingers at Catholicism for excomunication because the socialists and the communists have their own version of excomunication. It is difficult for dissenters in totalitarian Communist and socialist countries to obtain an education. Education and healthcare are the communist socialist version of communion. Socialists and communists need to repair their own houses before they condem other people's houses.
[edit on 13-10-2009 by eradown]
It's not like selling the Vatican would actually do any real good, I mean in the world today $500 billion isn't that much money. The point is the Catholic Church stands in contrast to their own religion.
The Church went against Jesus' original teachings or what is called being against-Christ (anti-Christ), from that we now have several thousand different religions and a myriad of churches.
Originally posted by Lister87
I'm neither, and personally i think Catholicism is rubbish and the Vatican a waste of space.
How much child abuse goes on and is covered up by the Vatican is a joke too.
Born into sin?
Repent your sins and all is forgiven?
I'm sorry father, i killed 2 million people today. That's ok, 12 Hail Marys and you're forgiven.
Hm. No chance.
I am not so sure that the people who intend to buy that gold with fiat currency have good intent. Giving those few families the Vatican gold for funny money does not seem like a good idea to me. Most of the bank-sters robbing my country blind would be better off getting out of banking.
Most of them shut their mouths on all the sexual abuse foster children have endured in state custody. Most of them do not rant and rave against Medicine or Education when some professionals in those fields are shown to be molesters.
I admit confession is weird, but many denominations of Christianity believe that if you accept the Lord Jesus as your savior all your sins will be forgiven.
Originally posted by donwhite
Get over it. There is not enough GOLD to run the world on. The US dollar has about 35% of the so-called fiat money in the world. I say “so-called” because there is NO other kind. That argument was OVER in 1913. And will not be raised again. EVER.
Once upon a time we had 65% of the fiat money on the planet but our position is gradually declining. NOT because we are doing badly but because the rest of the world is GROWING.
Originally posted by donwhite
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Most of them shut their mouths on all the sexual abuse foster children have endured in state custody. Most of them do not rant and rave against Medicine or Education when some professionals in those fields are shown to be molesters.
But NONE of those groups claim to be SPECIALLY authorized by GOD through the ONE and TRUE HOLY MOTHER CHURCH and its APOSTOLIC SUCCESSORS to have special status and the capacity to FORGIVE sins that could prevent you from entering into Heaven! Children are taught from infancy that a PRIEST is a PRIZE of GOD and he is due REVERENTIAL treatment! That is a bit different, wouldn’t you agree?