I have seen the Illuminati thrown around so frequently on the internet that it has become synonymous with any and all conspiracies and secret societies but there are very few threads on the factual Illuminati or it's founder Adam Weishaupt. We could all stay crouched in a fetal position in a dark corner speculating about just how nefarious, har far reaching and powerful this organization actually is (if it even still exists) and frankly, as entertaining as it is, speculation regarding the Illuminati gets us no where. I would appreciate if this thread be used solely for a factual discussion of the Bavarian Illuminati, their actual motives, and factual information regarding their infiltration of America. The Illuminati is also highly synonymous with corruption and evil, and a general plan for a global totalitarian government and a one world satanic religion. However, based on my research on the subject, not only was Adam Weishaupt vehemently opposed to statism, he was also opposed to religion in general although he claimed Jesus is "the grandmaster" of the order in that he used religious dogma to further his goals of liberating mankind. Here are some enlightening quotes from Weishaupt.

"And what is this general object? The happiness of the human race. But where are the proper persons, the good, the generous and the accomplished to be found? And how, and by what strong motives, are they to be induced to be engaged, in a task so vast, so incessant, so difficult and so laborious? This association must be gradual. There are some such persons to be found in every society. Such noble minds will be engaged by the heart warming object. The first task of the association must therefore be to form the young members. As these multiply and advance, they become the apostles of beneficence, and the work is now on foot, and advances witha speed increasing every day. The slightest observation shows that nothing will so much contribute to increase the zeal of the members as secret union. We see with what keenness and zeal the frivolous business of Freemasons is conducted, by persons knit together by the secrecy of their union. Let this circumstance of our constitution therefore be directed to this noble purpose, and then all the objections urged against it by jealous tyranny and affrighted superstition will vanish. The order will thus work silently, and sucurely, and though the generous benefactors of the human race are thus deprived of the applause of the world, they have the noble pleasure of seeing their work prosper."

"These powers are despots, when they do not conduct themselves by it's principles; and it is therefore our duty to surround them with it's members, so that the profane may have no access to them. Thus we are able most powerfully to promote it's interests. If any person is more disposed to listen to Princes than to the Order, he is not fit for it, and must rise no higher. We must do our utmost to procure the advancement of the Illuminati into all important civil offices."



"Rulers who are members must be promoted through the ranks of the order only in proportion as they acknowledge the goodness of it's great object, and manner of procedure. It's object may be said to be the checking of tyranny and princes, nobles and priests, and establishing a universal equality of condition and of religion."

Sorry my interest in the subject are quite satisfied. Your rage on this subject is incredibly evident, yet your methods of explination offer no objection to the general feelings of that statement under your name ignore...

For a long time the purpose has been to control mankind which they have done sucessfully, however the greater goal is to prevent the shifting of consciousness for the masses in 2012. If this happens they will lose all of their control. They will likely do anything they can to prevent this from happening.

I think you completely missed the point of this thread. It is to have a factual discussion about the Illuminati. I don't have any "rage" on the subject I am merely trying to shed some light on what the Illuminati actually stood for.

I dont know the history of the organization but I was just considering that the illuminati may be composers , movie makers and book writers or the freemasons or masons in the field today. Considering maybe revelations through a truman house,l if I got into a accident (head injury) had a scar on my hand. I have speculation that some of what Behold a Pale Horse from 1991 might apply. Just considering the concept of god in an experiment or operation. Some movies like Dogma and the Davinci Code consider the last sion but if the idea or something with a loose consideration all across the whole spectrum to maybe fufill revelations or just curiosity. The world and a lot of peoples perspectives are always changing. And if a bunch of people had to take on what they intially stood for.

I agree it is entirely possible that the Illuminati still exists today with different objectives such as creating a one world government rather than freeing the world from it. However if that is the case, they are so significantly different from their original goals that I don't think it is quite fair to such a brilliant man like Weishaupt to call them by the same name. It is clear that the financial elite control far more than American politics in and of itself controls, however wouldn't it be more accurate to call them just that? The elite? It is after all only the rich who have power in this country. You don't see any poor or middle class people on the Bilderberg attendance lists.

But I am assuming you don't have any proof. The Freemasons were once the knights Templar who may have once been an organization before that, but there is absolutely no proof to any of these claims that a small bloodline has been in power since the days of Babylon and there has been no legitimate research backing them up whatsoever. The Illuminati probably started in 1776 and ended soon after, with most of the members dissolving into Freemason lodges around the world. The people in power today aren't there because of some bloodline, they are there because they are extremely wealthy or hold legitimate political capital.

[edit on 13-10-2009 by The Transhumanist]

A link to a google search proves nothing and neither do any of the sites at the top of the list. Do you really think the Rockefeller family was in a position of significant power before standard oil? No of course not. I will admit they are an extremely powerful family, but they only came to power in the last century. As in, well after 1776. The Rothschild have been in power for a while but only after the fall of Napoleon. It's not like these family fortunes have existed since the dawn of civilization. Show me some undeniable proof. I have stated before I do not want this thread to fall to worthless speculation.