If guns didn't exist in the world, page 3

reply to post by emosun16

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Some of this worlds biggest and bloodiest battles took place long before the invention of gun powder... entire cities burned to the ground, whole nations killed to the last man woman a child.

Just look at The Siege of Syracuse by the Roman Republic, took place in 214-212 BC, at the end of which the Magna Graecia Hellenistic city of Syracuse, located on the east coast of Sicily, fell. The Romans stormed the city after a protracted siege giving them control of the entire island of Sicily. During the siege, the city was protected by weapons developed by Archimedes. Archimedes, the great inventor and polymath, was slain at the conclusion of the siege by a Roman soldier, in contravention of the Roman general Marcellus' instructions to spare his life.


This siege fought without firearms lasted all of eight months. A Syracusan traitor finally opened the gates to the Romans. Frustrated and angered after the lengthy and costly siege, the Romans rampaged through the citadel and slaughtered many of the Syracusians where they stood and enslaved most of the rest. The city was then thoroughly looted and sacked. One of the bloodiest battles in history and never was a single shoot fired...

then remember the famous line "et tu brutus"! Supposedly the last words of Julius Caesar. Literally 'And you, Brutus?'. they didn't shoot him in the back they stabbed him in the back...

Guns don't create violence they simply level the playing field so you have a fighting chance!

reply to post by LeaderOfProgress

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Agreed, whether you are a gun advocate or not when it comes down to defending your house your tone is bound to change.

What? Accidental firearm incidents? This can be solved with one word. "Education"

I know that if a dangerous person where to try my home on for size he would greet my little friend.

reply to post by emosun16

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Human beings, including myself, are not yet adult enough, not evolved enough spiritually or logically, to give up our weapons. The building of weapons is bred into our DNA, just as killing is, and until we can slice this part out of the genetic database, we will never be grown up enough. We need scientists like Walter on "Fringe."

Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by emosun16

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Human beings, including myself, are not yet adult enough, not evolved enough spiritually or logically, to give up our weapons. The building of weapons is bred into our DNA, just as killing is, and until we can slice this part out of the genetic database, we will never be grown up enough. We need scientists like Walter on "Fringe."

Is there really any basis whatsoever for the idea that 'truly advanced races won't be violent' ? It's often put forward by science fiction authors and pacifists, but is it a valid line of reasoning? After all, no matter *how* advanced a civilization is, it's going to have needs. The basics....energy, food, raw materials, and room...don't really change as a society advances, or as people evolve. The means of *meeting* those needs will change, but the needs themselves will always exist...and as long as they do, they will have the potential to create friction between groups. Unless being 'evolved enough' means giving up the survival instinct (which pretty well defeats the purpose, doesn't it?), conflict is going to be part of existence. All we (or any other sentient) can do is minimize the number and scope of conflict.

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