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What Would You Do If This Happened To You: Shopping While Black

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posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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You my friend are an I**ot. Yes the gang rape would be more disturbing...a lot more than the OP, but this is not about that.You cannot compare the two...one is a horrible violent crime....the other is about mistreatment of another person.

I have seen a few of these segments on how would normal society react to a certain situations. These segments they are called what would you do? from ABC. They had one about child abduction on a street...and one actor almost got his butt whooped from two african american males prepared to kick his a$$. They thought he was actually trying to steal this little girl...so they ran to her help. Oh and the little girl was caucasion, in case some are interested.

As for the question what would I do...nothing...because I could care less...she is an adult and should be able to take of themselves. If it was a child...that would be totally different. I am being honest....it's not because of her color..it's because I am a miserable son of a bytch...
. I don't care about what happens to another person...well adult person.

[edit on 11-10-2009 by kerazeesicko]




posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 11:06 PM
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the stats can mean whatever you want them to say.


Why is it that the "mere 20%" who defended the black woman is valid, true and relevant, but the statistics of black of white crime is not?



Do us a favor read the document that your using to back yourself with.


I linked a google search. You were the one who chose a document from the list.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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But in the post of mine that you're responding to I make mention of a white couple who were both kidnapped, gang raped, tortured...then murdered.


Then i'll respond to you. Did you read the whole article chief? Then let me give you a quote and i'm going to let the author of the article defeat your own argument without participating

"And here I'm obligated, because I'm black, to say that if the defendants in this case did what they are accused of doing, I'd be happy to see them rot under the jailhouse. Sadly, that needs saying because there are people who will not take it as a given."

The darn article isn't even about what your trying to preach, you must work for Fox News by using that little quote to rile people up. I cannot emphasizes his last sentence enough.

Back to the discussion.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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cenpuppie, you said you didn't post this as a black vs white thing... but the title shopping while black kinda drags the whole race thing into it dont you think?

[edit on 11-10-2009 by 2012DragonSlayer]



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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Why is it that the "mere 20%" who defended the black woman is valid, true and relevant, but the statistics of black of white crime is not?


Did i say that? Did i come close? No i didn't, i never even mentioned that, never brought it up in the conversation, your the one that gave the google link that leads the document that still doesn't list ANY kind of racial statistics to backup the claim i know you want to make but didn't, why bring up the google link? I mean the data is there (why am i not surprised stormfront is on the first page!), but it still doesn't support your claim, that is crime data that is reported not what happens. I mean 8,447 black women where raped by white guys then zero the next year? Or the 11,611 white women raped by black men mushroomed to 37,460 a three time increase in just one year and your using THIS to back up your claims..REPORTED crimes. Oh yea did i mention that the tables have PERCEIVED in it? Perceived, that's funny even coming from the DoJ.

Good luck!

I followed the third link from the google link you provided..



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 11:34 PM
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Eh well i had posted this in the break alternate news forum, so i put the whole article headline in it, yea bad move on my part i thought folks could actually look past race for a change and talk about a topic like discrimination in public that you witnessed but eh, it was worth a shot!

I just want to know what would you do?!



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 11:36 PM
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Heh heh, that's how i feel sometimes. But oddly enough nothing like this has ever happened around me. I hope i would say something but depending on my mood i wouldn't have said anything.

Good answer good answer.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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I think its mostly a class issue first and foremost. If you don't look the part, then your suspected.


I think it is EXACTLY that. I rarely dress up- I just don't have a reason (the world needs to be happy I dress at ALL!
). My friend dresses pretty ok. I am t shirt and jeans 99.999999% of the time. I'm single, and I gave up on dating some time ago. Hasn't been the first time I've been hassled in a business- and it wont be the last, I am sure. When I lived in a 'rich' community, the fave thing of people to do (including, get this, a former basketball star- I forget who) would be to NOT wait till I had finished my business with the clerk, and pile their crap over my head, or to the sides of the counter! I held my tongue- I didn't do anything like shove their crap to the floor, because WHO would be in the wrong? Poor little ol' me. With emphasis on POOR.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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Y'know... with the 'holiday' *gag* season right around the corner, I think it'd be interesting to see what kind of hoops members on here get put thru at their local Wal mart, or other dept stores. I say, name names, managers, stores, ect- and we just chuck the whole thing at a newspaper, or even the people who made this piece- and let them do some fact checking with it.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 12:41 AM
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I speak up when it's one-on-one (out on the street, not in a store), or when I'm well-dressed (a rare occasion). When I'm dressed normally, the clerks are keeping their eyes on me. I have to admit, I look pretty disreputable, even though I don't steal.

Anyway, if a store treats someone with disrespect and I am well dressed, I speak up. I generally talk to the offending clerk, though if s/he isn't receptive, I'll take it to the manager. I generally won't use that store again, unless it's unavoidable. So far, I've not had to use such stores.

The problem here in Chicago is that if you're not nicely dressed, you are likely to be discounted by the clerk or manager, who may even call the police. In Chicago, the police are not universally reasonable. Some are violent, racist and abusive (not many, but it only takes one). I've been treated as a suspect for reporting crimes. I avoid the police as much as possible, since you never know when you'll get a bully. If I'm well dressed, managers hesitate to call the police in the first place, and the police are more respectful. I look like someone who might have a lawyer.

Unfortunately, stores do discriminate against minorities and people who appear to be poor. One way to decrease this is to simply refuse to shop at a store that abuses *any* customer. Doesn't matter who they are, if they're not breaking the law, they shouldn't be treated like criminals.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 12:41 AM
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why bring up the google link?


I thought that showing you a generic search result showing consistently the same trend would be more meaningful than showing you simply a single link that you could find some trivial reason to dismiss, like you tried to do anyway with this little comment...



why am i not surprised stormfront is on the first page!


Yes. Stormfront does indeed appear on the first page of google search results for "interacial rape statistics." Clearly this is a travesty. Shall we ignore all the other search results that also showed up on that page? Shall we ignore the compiled eleven years worth of Department of Justice statistics as well? While we're at it shall we sue google for racial discrimination for having the audacity to link a website containing data relevant to the search?



11,611 white women raped by black men mushroomed
to 37,460 a three time increase in just one year


Yes, I understand that it's terribly inconvenient for you that black men insist on raping a different number of white women every year. I apologize. Perhaps you'd like to ask them to rape white women at a more regular rate?



did i mention that the tables have PERCEIVED in it? Perceived, that's funny


I'm sorry, I hadn't realized that asking women to identify the race of their rapist was such an inaccurate way of figuring it out. Perhaps you'd like to suggest a better method?



doesn't list ANY kind of racial statistics

I mean the data is there


I'm a little confused. Would you make up your mind, please, as to whether it doesn't list any racial staistics, or the data is there? I mean...you do quote the statistics in your post, so I assume you realize that they are there, but then you insist that it doesn't list any...so you'll forgive me if I'm not quite sure what you mean.



your using THIS to back up your claims..REPORTED crimes


What evidence would you like me to provide other than reported crimes? Would you rather I simply make stuff up at random like you appear to be doing? I'm sorry...I thought providing you with eleven years history of Department of Justice statistics would be better than making something up.

My mistake.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 01:49 AM
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You think that's bad, phew, look at this case.


I still think he did it though.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 01:56 AM
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I worked 4 years in retail during college, and I can tell you it is black people who steal more. I used to watch the ones who came in with bags that werent even in the mall (hello, red alert). Im not sure if it was statistically biased beause more black people were shopping, or they were stealing more. It just seems like this would be much more rare at an uber exclusive store.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 01:59 AM
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I'd take back that statement before someone alerts it, then you get a 1,000 point penalty, then you might get a posting ban.

I'm sure of it, suggesting that black people, are 'more' likely to practice criminal activities, as far as I can see, makes your statement racist.

Yes I know how you feel, but that kind of talk will get you in trouble around here.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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Im not saying anything. Im just posting what i observed in my personal life. There is nothing wrong with stating the facts.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 02:23 AM
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Yup, this is the same for me Malzypants. I am 1/2 Filipino, 1/2 White. Most people confuse me for being Native or Lebanese or Hispanic. I get the full body pat down everytime in airport security. They also use the explosive detecting gizmo to search my carry-on.

[edit on 12-10-2009 by red_leader]



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 02:48 AM
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I'm upset that the vast majority didn't step in and help their fellow woman


Honestly I get the impression that a lot of you have a seriously distorted view of what happened. The scenario in the video wasn't even real. It was all a setup to see how many people would come to her defense. And 20 out of 100 people did.



One guy accused her of playing the race card!


Yes, one guy did accuse her of playing the race card. This was a staged social experiment deliberately designed to find evidence of racism, and out of 100 people, the most damning reaction they were able to get was a single guy who accussed her of playing the race card. Why do you choose to focus on that one person and ignore all the people who did get involved? Why do you ignore the people who offered to leave with her as a sign of solidarity? What about the woman who was so upset that she was crying? What about the last one shown where half the store walks out together because they don't want to give their business to a store that treate people that way?

They show a single guy who accuses her of "playing the race card" and then the entire second half of the video from 3:50 onward is all about the people who were upset and did get involved.

How can you see this and come away feeling angry about it?

What would it take for you to not be angry? What if instead of 20 people, 50 people had got involved? Would that still not be enough? 70 people? All 100?

What would it take?















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posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 06:19 AM
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I've seen this happen a lot of times in the community that I live in and it usually isn't about what colour you are but more on what your wearing. Most of the high class fashion outlets have security gates that detect shoplifting and stolen goods and in these stores you won't get served if your not dressing appropriately to their standards.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 06:34 AM
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I'm Native American, Apache... a retired Marine and successful business owner. I've raised four kids and now a granddaughter... Yes when I go into a store security will dog my steps... everyone knows we red skins will take everything not nailed down right... its not just a black thing.... they do it to anyone who looks different...

[edit on 12-10-2009 by DaddyBare]



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 07:33 AM
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Some here have brought up something I didn't even realize.

In airports, I get the full treatment everytime as well. I just thought it was the luck of the draw, so to speak.

Never considered the fact that they may be profiling. And I flash military ID as well!

hmmff!



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