The EDL are not fascists and not racist? (EDL burn nazi flag video), page 1

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The EDL are not fascists and not racist? (EDL burn nazi flag video)

Topic started on 11-10-2009 @ 05:42 PM by mr-lizard
Okay so the popular consensus in the UK seem to think that the English defence league are 'fascists' , 'racist', 'ignorant', 'stupid' and consist of thugs. After much hot debate on this thread www.abovetopsecret.com... I decided to have a look and see if i can find anything about them. Please take a look at this video (below) showing the EDL talking about the erosion of democracy, burning a nazi flag, denying any affiliation with extremist racist groups and how the EDL is not racist. The guy in the video also discusses the UAF 'lies' about the EDL and how the peaceful marches have been disrupted by pro-islamic anti-protestors and also how the UAF (united against fascism) are wrongly associating the EDL with fascism. He quotes 'there is no place with racism within our organisation'. You will also note several chaps of mixed race standing with them. www.youtube.com... Quite eye opening to say the least. Any comments? [edit on 11-10-2009 by mr-lizard] [edit on 11-10-2009 by mr-lizard] [edit on 11-10-2009 by mr-lizard]
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reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 06:05 PM by mr-lizard
I thought this thread might have been popular considering the state of England at the moment with people either not caring or swaying to extremes. To note: I'm not pro-EDL, i'm fairly neutral.
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reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 09:42 PM by mr-lizard
www.rexusa.com... Some pictures of the nazi flag burning. A rather impartial column in the telegraph www.telegraph.co.uk... A rather interesting blog from a leftie who understands the UAF as being over-zealous in its attempts to label the EDL as right wing nazi's. skepticat.wordpress.com... And a few more links showing the several sides of the proverbial coin. manchesteruaf.org... www.iengage.org.uk... www.dailyecho.co.uk... www.thesun.co.uk... Below is a unity statement issued by Manchester Unite Against Fascism against the English Defence League ahead of their proposed march in Manchester. “We, the undersigned, strongly oppose plans by the ‘English Defence League’, a group linked to the fascist BNP, to demonstrate in Manchester city centre. “EDL is a racist group dedicated to attacking Asian people and Muslims. Islamophobia – bigotry against Muslims – is as unacceptable as any other form of racism. Its aim is to divide us by making scapegoats of one community, just as the Nazis did with the Jews in the 1930s. “Today they threaten the mosque, tomorrow it could a synagogue, temple or church. Today, they threaten Muslims, tomorrow it could be Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, blacks, gays, travellers or Eastern Europeans. “There is no place for Nazis, racists or the BNP in Manchester’s multi cultural and multi religious community. Come and join the peaceful protest to stop the EDL. Our rally will be held in Piccadilly Gardens, 12 noon, on Saturday, October 10th.” Signed by: Greater Manchester Unite Against Fascism Manchester Trades Council Muslim Council of Britain Ruth Kelly MP, Bolton West (Lab) John Leech MP, Manchester Withington (Lib Dem) Graham Stringer MP, Manchester Blakely (Lab) Andrew Gwynne MP, Denton & Reddish (Lab) Brian Iddon MP, Bolton South East (Lab) Michael Meacher MP, Oldham West & Royton Tony Lloyd (Manchester Central) has signed the Hope not Hate petition. Show Racism the Red Card Manchester Unison Community and Mental Health Branch Sue Bond, Vice-President, PCS Chris Morley, Northern Organiser, NUJ Dave Kennedy, CWU Neil Thompson, North West Chair, FBU Mohammed Azam, Oldham Revd Father Kevin Crinks, Priest-in-Charge of Leigh Parish of St Mary the Virgin RAPAR (Refugee Asylum Participatory Action Research) - a Manchester human rights organisation working with displaced people. Revd Jane Barraclough, Cross Street Chapel Unitarian Revd Richard Church, United Reform Church North-Western Synod The following organisations also support opposition to the English Defence League in Manchester: Muslim Jewish Forum of Greater Manchester Jewish Representative Council of Grater Manchester and then a reply: I ve seen somewhere that all the arrests were Muslims and 92% of the UAF/so called anti-fascists were Asians(Muslims) can anyone confirm? Prediction=Following the Tory landslide Mr Camerons change will be new laws that effectively ban protests etc,and the new expenses inquiry is the vehicle for Cameron to say we need to change our constituition and cut down the number of MPS etc effectively handing complete power to Brussels. Very interesting times in England. Seems like many groups are entwined with each other and none are really sure as to what is actually happening. Division and conquering at its worst / best. [edit on 11-10-2009 by mr-lizard]
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reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 09:46 PM by stevegmu
Are they affiliated with Anarchists? They look like Anarchists to me.
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reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 09:57 PM by mr-lizard
reply to post by stevegmu Suprisingly stereotypes aside these chaps claim not to to be extreme left (anarchists, socialists or communists) and neither do they wish to be affiliated with extreme right wing agenda's such as fascists or nationalists. So no... Nothing at all to do with anarchism. Not even slightly. Did you even watch the video at all? Or did the balaclavas make an instant decision for you?
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reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 10:14 PM by mr-lizard
Originally posted by stevegmu Are they affiliated with Anarchists? They look like Anarchists to me. Aaaah yes Stevegmu. I remember you from the other thread www.abovetopsecret.com... The same thread when you obviously didn't understand anarchism, and here you are not understanding the divisionary factors of politics in the UK. Ok in the Uk we have the supposed anti-fascists called the UAF (united against fascism) who take it upon themselves to crush free speech and the right to legally protest by allying themselves with either extreme disillusioned left wingers OR hard core Islamicists. The motto 'united against fascism' is ironic considering how fascist they are when refusing to listen to their opponents (who themselves are divided). The UAF are funded in some parts by Labour and also strangely enough have the backing of Tory wannabe David Cameron who represents the conservatives. On the other side of the ring you have the EDL who claim not to be racist and claim they just don't want Islamic fascism ruining the UK. They claim to have Sikh's, black communities and 'moderate' muslims amongst their numbers. Despite being branded as far right hooligans they are not the ones causing trouble, as the marches they attend are usually gate crashed by the UAF and angry muslims and to an extent disillusioned lefties. This is not to say hard core right wingers are not amongst the EDL, but in some ways the EDL seem to want to distance themselves from extreme right wing groups such as the BNP and combat 18 and are actively promoting anti-fascims themselves. So in a nutshell: We have pseudo - labour backed UAF supporters backed by pseudo-conservatives (backed by the mass media) disrupting legal marches with aggresive and violent counter demonstrations against supposed right wing groups who are trying to distance themselves from the extreme right. Confusing no?
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