To all of you that think that Iran is the big bad wolf.

* Having a "familiar spirit" (or being a necromancer) or being a "wizard" (Lev. 20:27)


This is my favorite rule of all.

Originally posted by Xtinguish

Originally posted by die_another_day
Every nation but the U.S. of A. sucks.

This is what I've known and been taught since like, ever.

Wrong!

Only the nations with brown people in it suck.

Yeah, because they don't have deviant minds like the rest.

USA used to belong to brown people. Where are they? dead. Who killed them?

Over 1.3 million Iraqi brown people dead who killed them USA + UK.

Afghanistan brown people killed by Russians, USA and Uk.

Palestinians brown people killed like rats, who killed them? Israel.

Enslavement of African people (Slavery), who done it? US and Europe.

Black and brown people in South Africa - who abused them with Apartheid?

Iran and Pakistan next...

blah blah blah, see the pattern Einstein?

Racist people and the class system are the scourge of mankind.

[edit on 12-10-2009 by Jinni]

reply to post by seataka


Fantastic, you make such a good point.

What seems to be the problem is the "if you are not with us, you are against us" attitude here.

I'd like to state once more that I do not think that everything Iran does is good and I'm not a supporter of Islam. Neither am I a supporter of Judaism or Christianity. Facist religions in my view.

But talk of attacking someone just because of propaganda is wrong!

So as I read through all of the postings and watch as the positions and camps are set up and another mini battle of words is waged within "a thread" and the chance of an educated dialogue with shared points of reference and fact is shadowed and then totally removed barring any offering of a solution other than the elimination of a "people" I ask myself if it can not be done on such a small scale how will it ever be done on a global scale?
It seems to be the most fertile field for continued conflict, because it isnt about a species, since we are all the same with slight alterings in skin tone, geographic residence, and lanuage. (all of which can be bridged)
It reverts back to selfish positions of fear and inferiority, and anger and superiority of nothing more than "held beliefs"?
And there are not any among us that are "living" that can unify us as a species.
We rely on the "dead" to instruct and teach and provide guidance, whether it be through religious instruction or mystery schools or secret orders, we rely on what is "past", what failed to unify and enlighten prior, we hold fast in our respective camps and insist that it will work and will continue to kill eachother and hate eachother until it is proven so.
And generation after generation will stand at the graves and monuments of those dead and insist on repeating it over and over because we're so sure that in "this lifetime" it will work.
And this is what we are considering, what we are accepting, to be intelligence?
I'm hanging off of a cliff ready to fall to my death, or my child is seconds away from a horrible death and I'm going to be concerned whether the hand that reaches out to save is that of a black person, a white person, a tan person, a man or woman?
The person offering help, the one reaching out to me sees I dont look like him or her and stops ?
Trained ! Scared ! Conditioned !
Generation after generation, "WE" as a people, as a species have failed.
And please in no way am I being smug or arrogant as i know I'll be accused,
but isn't it obvious, that we're capable of so much more than what we've allowed ourselves.
I believe we're at the tipping point

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Do you think that there is a realistic way to know what is going on in a country just by reading? It seems lieke it would almost be important to look at the videos: you can see people are angry and unhappy. But another question: what percentage of people are in the videos protesting?

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I think the real point is that only a fanatic would defend a Nation that is not free, that kills people if they reject Islam, kills people who protest rigged elections, is building nuclear weapons over religious issues and that allows the stoning to death of women over religious issues. To support them is to support those things. Why do people defend that?

Yes Iranians switch to other religions when they live outside of Iran. That is the point is it not. They can not do that and remain in Iran without being killed for their Faith.

I'm both amazed and sickened at the number of people who defend the governments of countries that do not have basic freedoms. To be opposed to basic freedoms is a sick thing. People who support that are propagandists whether they are paid or directly represent Iran or not. It is doubly sick when the person spreading this lives in a free country themselves.

The pictures you should have posted are those of protesters after the election being killed and pictures of women being stoned. You should also mention Iran's direct support of Terrorism.

Do you support the killing of Muslims who quit to join other Faiths or become Atheists?

Do you support the stoning of women over religious issues?

Are you opposed to women having equal rights to men?

Do you support Iran developing nuclear weapons?

Do you support the control of Iran's media by the State?

Do you support Terrorism and Terrorists and Iran's funding and training of them?

Do you consider the West to be the "Great Satan"?

Do you support the rigged elections?

How do you feel about the above issues?

Most of the above list refers to a different culture. One that has existed for 3000 years. I don't think any of it entitles us to bomb them.

The bit about nuclear weapons is wrong.... dunno how many times you have to be made aware but the weapons inspectors are in Iran checking for us, unlike Israel where the inspectors are not allowed.

The rigged elections you may have difficulty proving/defending since it is know fact that the last time political unrest happened it was shown to have been created by the CIA.

And as for terrorism, well USA supported terrorism in Northern Ireland along with Libya, so kind of depends where your stand on that is.

The threa is about whethr USA / Israel are justified on bombing Iran..... I say NO.

Originally posted by mattpryor
"and actually starts positively engaging the world and helping to find solutions,"

Over 100 nations backed irans right to peaceful uses of nuclear power, which world are you talking about?

www.liveleak.com...

Nonaligned countries back Iran's nuclear program

EHRAN, Iran - More than 100 nonaligned nations backed Iran's right to peaceful uses of nuclear power on Wednesday, an endorsement sought by Tehran in its standoff with the U.N. Security Council over its refusal to freeze uranium enrichment.

The decision came as supreme Iranian leader Ayatolla Ali Khamenei pledged to continue the country's nuclear program.

Senior Iranian officials depicted More..the support from a high-level conference of the Nonaligned Movement as deflating claims by the U.S. and its allies that most of the international community wanted Iran to stop enrichment.

Ok here is how I see it. War is wrong. Both sides shame on you for killing your brethren. Nuff said.

reply to post by Jinni



I may be wrong but as far as my history reminds me Slaves have been in africa and the mid east for thousands of years. Does our past justify the present? No. In this thread people take one side only. Why cant both sides admit the wrongs that they have done? For the simple reason of pride. To sympathize with one side is to kill the other. If our past does not justify the present then both sides are wrong and should stop. But people cannot forgive what they see as atrocities committed against them or their people. The struggle of man has always been over resources. What a pity.

Originally posted by malleb
reply to post by john124

 

Do you think that there is a realistic way to know what is going on in a country just by reading? It seems lieke it would almost be important to look at the videos: you can see people are angry and unhappy. But another question: what percentage of people are in the videos protesting?

Precisely, and don't forget the Iranian govt. own news services reporting the figures of protestors. Another important question is: how many want to protest but are too scared to go to demonstrations?

Another important question is: how many want to protest but are too scared to go to demonstrations?

That applies here in the good old US of A too..