Obama to gay group: 'Still laws to change, hearts to open'

It seems Mr Obama is flip flopping in this issue again. He seems to only say what people want to hear at those specific venues. I can praise his rhetoric, it's a positive step forward for the Gay Community, but I can't help but feel these promises will not come to fruition anytime soon.



This I agree with. There are far more pressing issues at the moment than that of Gay Rights, so I applaud his effort to make the Gay Community understand that the nation comes before any minority or majority group.

You can read the rest of the article here.

What do you all think ATS? I know this subject has been debated to death, and this thread is not about advocating gay rights, it's about what Obama has promised to do and how he is going about changing these archaic laws and passing new ones which provide equal opportunity of mariage to all.

~Keeper

So this is basically saying, "we've done jack all, so wait longer, ok?" Seriously, just give the homosexual community their rights already!

As a Brit...

In all honesty, it's nice to hear it talked about, but unless something is actually changed, Obama can talk all he wants and I have little interest.

There is massive disillusionment at the moment. People who supported, admired, trusted and those who eventually elected this man have seen him ignore or even back-track on seemingly every major issue he campaigned on.

Don't get me wrong, I know that I can't grasp what it entails being the POTUS, but you'd think a man who campaigned on so many major issues would have a plan in place to enact at least one of them within months of arriving.

There seems to be no urgency on anything, no movement to improving things for Americans, and while I know there's a lot of red tape to get through to do anything, you'd have thought the process would have evolved over time to be more efficient, not less.

It's probably not the case at all, but it certainly gives the impression that Obama lied throughout his campaign, and that he's just as uninspired, impotent and incapable to force change for the better as every politician we've ever seen.

So far I think Obama is a media-wise, well spoken politician, and nothing more. When (if) he starts to change things for the better, then I might think all the hope and admiration is worth something, until then, it's all nothing more than great PR combined with mass delusion.

reply to post by The Killah29

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Well sort of, but at least he still takes time to go out and talk about it with the Gay Community.

As I said above as well, there are far more pressing issues to be dealt with at the moment.

~keeper

How so?



Obama does not support gay marriage.

I guess I don't understand your point here. Can you be more specific? Thanks.

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Obama does support gay marriage, he has said so on multiple occasions, such as in the article I linked...

If you go into another thread I created here will give you that answer.

I'm sorry. You're mistaken. He wants to repeal DOMA, but that doesn't mean he supports gay marriage.



You are confusing gay marriage with gay rights. All during the campaign, he stated that he doesn't think gay people should be able to get married.



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It's a shame that patriotic Americans are still getting kicked out of the armed forces under Obama's watch for simply being gay. This is the 21st century, time to get past this BS.

Obama on the Issues



He has a unique perspective and the only place I disagree with him is that I think marriage should be marriage, regardless of the gender of the couple. But he DOES want civil unions with rights that are equal to regular marriages.

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I think thats just seperating green apples from red apples. When I said gay marriage I meant civil unions, I don't believe there should be a division between the two if they will provide the same exact rights.

It's like buying Oxycleaner versus buying the actual OxyClean product, same thing different name. Redundancy is not something we should have in our law systems.

~Keeper

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Well, I agree with you. But he seems to think (like most people) that there's a difference, or that we can respect religious people if we don't let gay people use the word "marriage". I think it's ridiculous, myself.

But the fact remains, he didn't flip-flop. He's stated his views all along. He supports civil unions with the same rights as gay marriage. It's silly, but there's no flip flop here.

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I will have to agree with you. I retract my previous statement.

I'm glad we are on the same page..

~Keeper

just more of Obamas' generalizations and platitudes


Just how & who will he get to Spearhead 'Changing Laws'
~answer~ no one

What Laws are targeted for changed involving the homosexual community ?


We, the general population have the Hot-Topic issues on our mental list...

but Obama will be addressing the low-key, mundane items first ---
know why?... because that delay tactic gains supporters until they realise he's all talk and little follow through or substance.

he's actually busy spreading the sticky fly-paper all over the place during this first term...to catch & snare as many as he can...then bewilder the trapped voters with some degree of future 'demonstrable results' concerning ~your hot button issue~ To enter a second term as america's 'Supreme Executive' in contrast to Persia's 'Supreme Leader'


but, Obama's handlers might have his actions portrayed a little differently

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"you will see a time in which we as a nation finally recognize relationships between two men or two women as just as real and admirable as between a man and a woman." ~Obama

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(Taken from a thread I started ~after~ yours; missed it )

... surprised this thread isn't going where =/