Where is the aclu when you need them

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This well educated 10 year old christian girl is being forced from home schooling into public school because she defends her faith. We don't do that to Jewish or Muslim folks. America has lost the battle for democracy and is now in the battle to be Marxist or Nazi. We are the sheep we call ourselves. Too many have their hand out for the government to help/save them. Which side will you be on?

Or is there another side to choose from?
In 1905 the courts said the government can have mandatory vaccinations.
Some people wonder:
If there is any gold in Ft. Knox. Who killed Kennedy & why. Who brought down the Twin Towers & why. Who caused the economic collapse we are facing now. Why did the CIA create al-qaeda. What will happen to me when I refuse the swine flu shot.

this is clearly not an attack on christianity.

this is an issue in where one gaurdian does not agree with the spiritual rigidity of the other.

my ex is catholic, i am not. i am in the military, and despite having full joint custody, she has physical custody because i am a deployable asset (according to the judge, its a mess any way you slice it)

however, as a legal gaurdian of my child, if i feel that my ex is not providing an adequate spiritual opportunity, and there are signs being presented via a qualified counselor, you bet your cookies i am going to push the issue via proper venues in the best interest of my child.

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It's a dispute between two parents, this does not seem like discrimination. Rather a case of one guardian wants it one way, the other wants it another.

Nothing wrong there.


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A few points.

The guardian ad litem, if I read it correctly was not the father.




and thus has no right to say how this child should be educated.

The ACLU is as liberal as they get, hates everything Christian... if they even TOUCH this case I will eat my shoe.

This is the WORST case of "big brother" BIG government that I have ever seen!




Then what's the problem with a Christian education... ya know, since no one begins to think until they are 12? *sarcasm sarcasm*

As for me... I questioned, examined and reaffirmed my beliefs in college.

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guardian ad litem just means the parent gave this person the right to make gaurdian decisions wrt the minor in this action alone, without giving them full guardianship rights.

aka: a lawyer representing a gaurdian. it is common in divorce and custody disputes.

at the age of 10, most children are just learning algebraic ideas, learning to read and comprehend what is written, and learning about insects and such.

so we are supposed to say that if my ex wants my son to follow catholic beliefs that i have to allow it?

someone in 4th grade obviously has enough world experience and spiritual understanding to make that decision on their own!! of course!!

Truer words were never spoken.

The parent didn't give the guardian any rights, the guardian was appointed by the court. In this case--the parents agree on the religion, the guardian doesn't.

A guardian ad litem usually is appointed for a minor in a court case if there is a possibility that the child's interest is not the same as the parents.

I'm not a religious person, but I think this is a bad case, unless the religious beliefs are such as to harm the child.

Errr...no.
Yes, the ACLU supports separation of church and state. But it also defends religious groups on free speech and religious liberty grounds.

here's a partial list of religious discrimination cases they have taken:
midtopia.blogspot.com...

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Actually, if your son decides at 10 years old that he wants to be a Catholic... he should have that right. If he was 5... well... But 10 year-olds can be surprisingly smart. If his mother, when she has custody of him decides to take him to church... that is her right.
If you, when you have custody of him decide to take him to an origins of man museum... that is your right.

The father's job, in this case should be to present those "other views" to his daughter... not to force her to attend public school.

I do not know what the condition of the schools is there but the pubic schools I was zoned for are awful. Only 65% of students there graduate.
I was a reading tutor for some of those kids and... @_@

My parents sacrificed a lot to send me to a good private school... and yes, it was Christian.


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...I'm impressed. I retract my earlier statement.
Starred you.

Well since there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, what is she going to learn from public schools. It had better not be religion.

And as to the child's beliefs, would the court require her to consider mono and poly theistic religions if she proclaimed that she didn't believe in God because it was unscientific? No, they wouldn't.

The court has acknowledged that the homeschooling works, as the girl is bright, well adjusted, and academically acceptable. Plain and simple this is all because the girl has a firm belief in her religion. I believe that is why it is called faith.

The ACLU "DEFENDING" Christianity??? Are you nuts?

These are the same people trying to remove crosses from freeking cemetaries While fighting for Muslim prayer in prisons. This organization will not help you unless you are trying to sue to "remove" or "ban" something that is Christian.

if my son at 10 years old decides he wants to be a catholic i will let him learn about it without allowing anyone not even his mother to shelter him from other spiritual experiences.

you stated that 5 is too young but not 10? perhaps you would tell us what the difference between 5 and 10 is that makes it ok for them to decide on a spirituality? that way we can have a basis for debate

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atheism.about.com...

takemassaction.blogspot.com...

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REALLY?

You are simply uninformed. Do your own research and stop taking the word of talk show hosts and blogs at face value.

SOURCE

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Because a five year old is completely unable to think in the abstract. In child development, a child does not begin to take the first steps into abstract thinking until they are at least six or seven.

Here's the proof

paiget was also outdated in the 70's, and claims that 10 year olds are in the class to begin to reason 3+4=7 and 7-4=3

found here

my point is that there is more than logical reasoning and abstrac thought involved with the idea of children devoting to spirituality. it takes very adult ideas and everyday decisions to do this.

kids are... KIDS. there is enough pain and suffering awaiting them in adulthood. let them be kids for the fleeting 15 or so years that they get before being thrown into the fire of life.

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Top Ten Myths About The ACLU
www.stoptheaclu.com...



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Sorry, as stated before the ACLU has a "few" cases (which even they provide a link document for) to attempt to "prove" they are not biased but it is a joke. The "SOURCE" you provided is from who... "An ACLU Attorney". Here is his facebook: www.facebook.com...

They will spout off token cases where the ACLU veered from its normal path of hostility toward Christian religious expression to defend free speech. They have a handful of cases they try to convince us with. However, the ACLU’s history can easily be looked at and the cases against religious expression far outweigh these token cases. If the ACLU were consistent in its positions on religious liberty despite the religion their defense on the issue would be much easier. However, many cases point out that it isn’t religion in general the ACLU fight, but the Christian religion in particular.

www.stoptheaclu.com...

aclu.procon.org...




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I made a decision when I was seven related to religious beliefs. I reaffirmed that decision as an adult.

I have a huge problem with people believing that seven is too young to make a decision like that. I lived many years doubting myself and my faith because of well-meaning speakers.