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This is your paranoid gun culture...

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posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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reply to post by ANOK
 

America ranks 24th not the highest by any means. We have the highest rate of ownership so the stats get skewed. We are not the murderous citizenry that the media portray by any means!

Zindo
Murder rates by country. Latest Stats!

Showing latest available data. Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
# 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
# 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
# 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
# 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
# 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
# 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
# 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
# 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
# 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
# 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
# 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
# 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
# 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
# 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
# 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
# 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
# 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
# 26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
# 27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
# 28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
# 29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
# 30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
# 31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people
# 32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people
# 33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
# 34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
# 35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people
# 36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people
# 37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people
# 38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
# 39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people
# 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
# 41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people
# 42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people
# 43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
# 44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
# 45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
# 47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
# 48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
# 49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
# 50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people
# 51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people
# 52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people
# 53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
# 54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
# 55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
# 56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people
# 57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people
# 58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people
# 59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people
# 60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people
# 61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people
# 62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people
Weighted average: 0.1 per 1,000 people


[edit on 10/11/2009 by ZindoDoone]




posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by bismarcksea
The man was a FOOL for opening up without first checking his target.


That is NOT paranoid gun culture at work. It was poor training and a poor decision that cause that tragedy.


Unfortunatly it does not say in our Constitution that only "smart" people can own firearms. Given enough of the population, things like this are bound to happen from time to time.


I heard the 911 call on the radio and he didn't seem too concerned with minor details such as whether his wife was alive or dead, breathing or not, etcetera. His crying sounded phony too.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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I never said the US was highest, but you do realise there are about about 200 countries in the world?

So 24th sounds pretty high to me...



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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I agree though it could be a scam to kill his fiance, but I'm not so sure. Time will tell on that I suppose.

I thought he sounded genuine when he said, 'Hang in there Honey',
and when he told the dispatcher what he'd just done? You could hear he was coming to the realisation of what a stupid mistake he'd just made, and his wife was dying of a bullet wound to her chest in front of him from his own stupid mistake. If he had killed her on purpose he would have been more matter of fact, more rehearsed sounding?

Like I said time will tell.

Turn the damned light on first next time...



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 09:47 PM
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This "Accident" Has nothing to do with the gun culture. Many more such incidents would take place if honest citizens were not armed.
The statistics have shown over and over again that an unarmed person is vulnerable to those around him/her that would take advantage of them to hurt them their children and those they love around them.....Keep thinking like this and "you"
will be one of the very first to be stacked along side of the road waiting to be pushed into a mass grave................................KMG



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 10:29 PM
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Why does the heading say something completely different from the article.
Hell yes the Media is responsible in a big way for the paranoia
that causes people to react this way.
A peoples right to defend themselves should in no way come under fire
because of fools like this guy.
SCENARIO=
Society has broken down. There are twenty people outside your home.
They want something from you have and they're coming in to take it.
Now what?
Your heading should read something about the paranoid media culture.
I don't care what the Media you just demonised says about someone,
who if that 's the way it happened, should be up on charges of manslaughter.
Where did you get this story?
The Media, real great!
I think you should try to get a job as a msm journalist you seem practiced at the art.


[edit on 11-10-2009 by randyvs]



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 10:40 PM
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Take illegals and inner-city gang-bangers out of the equation, and I imagine we'd be near the bottom.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 02:45 AM
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maybe guns are everwhere ..................



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
Point Two, change the FRACKING CONSTITUTION if you do not like it. OR SHUT THE FRACK UP about my rights. Notice in the 2nd Amendment it mentions "or infringe upon those rights". Well the government has no right to require me to license, register, train, or FRACKING anything else without a specific Amendment to the Constitution.


Or an executive order, issued by the President.


SO QUIT YOUR WHINING ABOUT MY RIGHTS or come take'em.


Your government is actually doing a pretty good job at that already.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 06:53 AM
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This guy wanted her dead. Either that or he's a complete moron.

Reminds me of that retired sheriff who shot his wife to death last year while 'cleaning his gun.'

Please people, consider divorce or simply breaking up before you pull this 'accidental death' crap. Every time you do we have to suffer another one of these anti's pointless rants.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 09:02 AM
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i find it pretty funny though how someone can blanket 45 pct of Americans as paranoid because one guy ... either stupid or with malign intent, shot his wife. 1 guy speaks for just about half of America just the sort of thing thats going to ultimately end the second amendment for fear that 1 guy out of 200+ million will do something stupid



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by grover
A more accurate telling would be the story that came out this week about this woman who was a big gun rights advocate who was shot by her husband in a murder suicide.

www.thespec.com...

Now that is what I call ironic.

The problem with the gun's rights arguments is that they (at least in the case of the NRA) against all common sense controls.

The fact that the 2nd amendment exists at all means; hysterics and fear mongering aside, that neither the congress or the president can take them away without a long and protracted process that requires first a 2/3 vote for it in both houses of congress and then a 2/3 vote by the legislatures of all of the states...

and simply put...that ain't gonna happen.

In all reality...

There is nothing wrong with a waiting period...a background check or a limit on the number of purchases at one time.

Any society that thinks that it needs to be armed to the teeth all the time is in serious trouble.


[edit on 11-10-2009 by grover]


After looking into that story further, I found out the husband was in law enforcement and the gun he used to kill his wife was state issued.

This story is bad for anti gun people who think only police and military should have guns. If guns were banned would she be alive today? Nope because he would of still had his gun.

Guns should never be banned. Stupidity on the other hand should be.

-Al



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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You know,reading through this thread
has lead me to one conclusion...
Americans must be the most paranoid people on
the planet really!
I mean listen to you lot,yea guns are great,right to
bear arms etc etc....I mean take a long hard look
at yourselves and ask yourself why would you need a gun
in the first place....because you are paranoid and afraid
of your fellow man/woman.
Guns are for cowards..simples!



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Really?

I'll freely admit to being somewhat paranoid...would I be here otherwise? I have my firearms for three reasons, only one of which feeds off my paranoia...

1) Selfdefense. Yes, I'm paranoid. Scared? Nope. Prepared? Yep. I hope to God I never have to use them for this purpose. But I'm a firm believer in better to have and not need, then need and not have...

2) Hunting. Putting food in the freezer, though I've not gone hunting in some time, is certainly a valid reason to have a firearm.

3) Collecting. I have three firearms that are of some value, though not a whole lot, and eventually I'll have a place to put them.

So there you are. Three valid reasons to own firearms, and only a third of them are paranoia based.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
This guy wanted her dead. Either that or he's a complete moron.

Reminds me of that retired sheriff who shot his wife to death last year while 'cleaning his gun.'

Please people, consider divorce or simply breaking up before you pull this 'accidental death' crap. Every time you do we have to suffer another one of these anti's pointless rants.


This is a heavy assumption to make.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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Guns are for the people pointing one at you. If the gun is in the right direction, there's no issue.

You europeans can rant about it all you want, I don't really care. I'd rather keep my gun, and be prepared for a very bad moment in my life.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Elmer_Dinkley
because you are paranoid and afraid
of your fellow man/woman. Guns are for cowards..simples!


Yes I agree, that is the point I was making.

(directed to everyone...)

Guns are for cowards and the paranoid. They remove you from the close-up physical act of killing someone. They make you feel brave and powerful. But it's a false sense of security, when it can back-fire on you and get an innocent person killed (scuse the pun).

I can say this with experience, as an expert shot with 45 and 38, and was qualified to carry a sidearm and a 12 gauge, as part of my duties in the military.

Gun advocates say there are other weapons, that's true, but it's much harder to stab someone than shoot with a gun. Ever hear of a drive-by stabbing?

My experience from living in the US for 20 years is a lot of you are very insecure, and again I say this is the fault of your conditioning media, and the way it sensationalises everything.

Is it no wonder neighbours don't even know each other anymore? The media has us scared of our own relatives.

BTW I know this thread was about the use of guns, but it's more than just 'gun control', how about more opinion on the societal aspect of this? Even you gun advocates should be mature and smart enough to not dismiss and ignore the negatives? Or the media sensationalising everything?

I also want to know why you gun owners think it should be your right to own a gun? And please don't just say it's the 2nd amendment, I want to know why. I mean if we are going to claim rights to own things then why should I not have the right to own a 500lb bomb, or two, or why has Iran not the right to have nuclear power? So why are your 'rights' any more precious than others 'rights'? Why do we pick and choose 'rights' without any consistency? I want the right to walk naked in the street, my right wouldn't kill or maim anyone (well maybe a heart attack or two lol).



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by Miraj
You europeans can rant about it all you want, I don't really care. I'd rather keep my gun, and be prepared for a very bad moment in my life.


And that there is paranoid thinking.

You have made up your mind that something bad is going to happen that you have to arm yourself to prepare for.


Paranoia is a symptom in which an individual feels as if the world is "out to get" him or her. When people are paranoid, they feel as if others are always talking about them behind their backs. Paranoia causes intense feelings of distrust, and can sometimes lead to overt or covert hostility.

www.minddisorders.com...



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by MarshMallow_Snake
This is a heavy assumption to make.


Yes this will be the excuse from the gun ownership crowd.

For the guy to have done this on purpose would make them feel better because it would negate the argument I'm making.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Elmer_Dinkley
reply to post by AlBeMet
 
You know,reading through this thread
has lead me to one conclusion...
Americans must be the most paranoid people on
the planet really!
I mean listen to you lot,yea guns are great,right to
bear arms etc etc....I mean take a long hard look
at yourselves and ask yourself why would you need a gun
in the first place....because you are paranoid and afraid
of your fellow man/woman.


Yeah especially the ones who go shooting up schools, Malls and Churches. Places that Have the no Guns allowed signs
where all you can do is hide and wait to be shot by the felon and or madman. Whereas there is already laws in place to bar them from gun ownership. So yes in a way I am afraid of my fellow man/woman. The ones who don’t care about laws or the life of my loved ones. Do I live in fear? Nope because I can/will defend myself and my family.


Originally posted by Elmer_Dinkley
Guns are for cowards..simples!


That actually made me lol


Then call me a prepared coward


Best wishes.

-Al



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