reply to post by turbofan
This test has already been done by several commercial airline pilots, and check airmen. One of which was an ex USAF pilot.
Once again....the P4T prople....in your very words "several"...that means, to me....LESS THAN TEN!!!!
SO WHAT if there were some Check Airmen...(and, YES, I know what they are...do you???)
I know quite a few OTHER Check Airmen who can fly very well, and given the proper set-up, could ALSO easily accomplish the same flying we saw on
9/11....EASILY!
So, your "several" pilots, including a few Check Airmen and an ex-USAF pilot could not fly the Sim into and hit the buildings??? Doesn't speak
well for THEIR flying abilities, to me.
HOW was this situation set up??? WHERE were they, in the simulation???
Were they, as "Capt. John Lear" once famously proposed, simply 'frozen' at several miles out, at 1,000 feet, and told to "find the WTC Towers and
hit them..."
Do any of you understand or comprehend the concept of how WRONG all that is???
The hijackers, the REAL hijackers that morning didn't have a 'freeze' button, they didn't have a 'slew' control....they were flying, KNEW where
they were, judged from their vantage and THEN aimed.
Putting someone in a simulator, in a 'freeze' position, then "setting them loose' is NOT THE SAME!!!!
ALSO....I should have been more clear in describing a "Level D" simulator....this denotes NOT ONLY a landing certified device (which is, of course,
not relevant to this event) but ALSO a fully 'daylight' simulation.
This is cutting-edge for civilian simulators...(I assume that the Military has had better, meaning more expensive, for years before it gets to
us).....but some of that eventually trickles down...and the best visuals and best simulators toady incorporate a lot of that tech...hey! Wanna buy
one for yourself?? Just need about $15-20 million....AND the support facility, the building and technicians to keep it running....hope you have a lot
of money!
SO....these "several" Check-Airmen and ex-USAF pilots??? Just EXACTLY what simulator did THEY use, in this incredibly detailed and scientific
"TEST" that they conducted???????
NOW....this bit makes me laugh, and throw up a little in my mouth....
The only time they could accomplish the 'mission' was to slow down to landing speeds and even then it was difficult.
....hold on....these very experienced pilots, to include "Check Airmen" and "ex-USAF" pilots....found it "difficult" to hit TOWERS wider than a
RUNWAY???????
EVEN when they were at "landing speeds"....??????
Am I the only one who sees this as a load of....dump?
Keep in mind, these pilots have tens of thousands of hours in a 757/767!
Once again....I have THOUSANDS OF HOURS, and I guess I'm better than them.
Learned to fly in a Cessna...the 150. time in the 172, 182, 210, 206, 207. Oh, and the 'Cardinal'...its designation is '177'...and the '177RG'.
Oh! And, the 182 ALSO has a retractible version, the '182RG'.
Never got to fly the Skymaster (336 or 337)
Back to the old days...aerobatics in a Decathlon (Bellanca). AND in the Cessna 150 'Aerobat'...this in the early 1980s. (Parachutes are
'required' to be worn...although TRAINING on them isn't...go figure!)
Beechs...(Beechcraft, no 'Raytheon' - owned....still some of the best-built General Aviation airplanes out there...)
The V models, and there are many, depending on year built. The F-33, A-36....my family owned a B-55 (a 'Baron'---it's a twin). The Beech B-58 is
essentionally the twin version of the A-36. I flew, actually instructed a guy wealthy enough to have purchased, back then, a
pressurized
Baron...looking back on it, it was cool....but now, I sorta laugh. Point of that was just to be able to operate above 10,000 feet WITHOUT
supplemental O2 for over 30 minutes....but the aairplane STILL used the same turbo-charged engines as a regular Baron....and the fuel savings weren't
that great, UNLESS you found great tailwinds....
I flew (first job after flight instructing for 'several' years) twin Cessnas, Grand Canyon tours....(I was still prety young, back then....but old
enough.
Various stints at what are NOW called 'commuter' airlines...until getting to the "Major' airline, in 1984....
ANYONE who knows about aviation will read, and understand.....
