Feds to 60 Million American Anglers: We don't need you , page 5
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reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 02:18 AM by burdman30ott6
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

As an avid fisherman and soon to be Alaska resident, I have to wonder just how that state will react to any further meddling in their fishing by the feds. Between the number of subsistance fishermen and the fact that fishing is one of the primary components of their tourism indistry, I would think any attempt by Washington to take real control over the fishing in Alaskan waters would be met with an almost seccessionist response from many in the state. It isn't just a matter of meddling with peoples' passtimes and hobbies up here, it's meddling in their abillity to feed their family and in their livelihoods.

(and the "you'll get my Zebco when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" may have been a tongue in cheek line, but I've witnessed fishermen flat out brawl with each other over prime spots on rivers here in Washington during the salmon runs. I've seen one fillet knife fight and have seen a couple of people go back to their truck to grab a firearm which always causes quite a mass exodus away from the river bank by the remaining fishermen. These are the types of legislations and government actions which boil over and become large scale incidents between civillians and law enforcement agents.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 04:23 AM by Ahabstar
reply to post by burdman30ott6


Yeah, that is part of my charm. To be humorous yet completely serious at the same time. Some can see it and find in thought-provokingly funny (much in the vein of Gallagher without the watermelons), others just think I am a odd person.

This a very serious issue, and like one poster said, there will comparisons to the Census worker found hung with 'Fed' carved on his chest in some areas if they want to push this.


reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 05:26 AM by ElectricWizard
reply to post by Blaine91555


You and diplomat, donttreadonme.. should cry less.

Do you think politicians would just say "oh, hey we've been doing you wrong.. we should totally give our power up to you citizens!" or "hey, here are all your rights. have 'em back we were joking!"

Change might be bloody, learn to deal with it. Grow a pair.


reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 06:40 AM by detachedindividual
Originally posted by bettermakings
reply to post by groingrinder


Yeah, sorry but it's true. Collecting rainwater is illegal in many places.


But, you have to consider that when these things are needed, no one in your country is going to hold these laws together.

Who exactly is going to enforce these laws 24/7?

I admit it is just more evidence of federal government controlling you, but that's in the existing society.
They are unenforceable laws designed to scare you, make you feel trapped and controlled, and bring in revenue through fines and licenses.


reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 08:56 AM by lucentenigma
Originally posted by detachedindividual
Originally posted by bettermakings
reply to post by groingrinder


Yeah, sorry but it's true. Collecting rainwater is illegal in many places.


But, you have to consider that when these things are needed, no one in your country is going to hold these laws together.

Who exactly is going to enforce these laws 24/7?

I admit it is just more evidence of federal government controlling you, but that's in the existing society.
They are unenforceable laws designed to scare you, make you feel trapped and controlled, and bring in revenue through fines and licenses.



They will enforce it like they enforce every other 'law'.

FEAR

[Fiction]
Tonight's News at Six -
A Colorado couple has been sentenced to 4 years in Federal prison for collecting rainwater illegally.

Federal agents raid more than a dozen illegal rainwater collection sites in a sting dubbed Operation Waterspout.
[/Fiction]

The average person sees headlines like this hammered into his/her head for awhile and they will be scared stiff.


reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 09:34 AM by RecentlyAwaken
reply to post by Jessicamsa



This is INSANE! Why do I feel PETA is behind this?? I'm so sick of them saying what we can and can't do when it comes to the animals of this planet.

Not saying we should slaughter them all but dang, come on.


reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 11:58 AM by Symbiote
Originally posted by Jessicamsa
So, basically they are going to be outlawing fishing. So, in America you will be unable to hunt, fish, catch rain water, or grow a garden without breaking the law.

What is left?




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reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 02:39 PM by whaaa
reply to post by safetyguy76



I don't think many people bothered to read the OPTF Proposal.

www.google.com...

www.uscg.mil...

No where does it say it is going to restrict fishing. What a bunch of crybabies.


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