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Once Again, The Will of the Voters Is Denied

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posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by jthomas
I have asked her to support her claim and she refuses. Now, Jezus, step up to the plate and tell us how Lillydale knows that "there were no passenger bodies at the Pentagon."


Jezus, I just wanted to let you know he has already tried this trick when he was cornered before. He began telling people that they need to prove how I know something. It amazes me people like this are even allowed to interact with the outside world.




posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

Yeah...so...what do they need you for if they come here and see that the TM is inhabited by nothings? Do you just like holding strangers hands?


I told you already. Cuz some fence sitters will come with open minds, read another side, and realize that the TM is inhabited by nothings "that question authority", rather than using critical thinking skills



How much more of your time are you going to waste


I really don't know.

One day I'll give up bothering with the idiots in the TM.

Won't be this week though.


I cannot think of one thing that does not matter and I do not care about that I would still be arguing over 8 years later.


For one, it hasn't been 8 yrs for me.

Secondly, young kids, feeling the angst and the need to "question authority" for no real reason other than just.... well, teen angst, need guidance. Their minds aren't mature enough, nor do they have the life experience to be able to separate the real info from the garbage that the snake oil salesmen of the TM sell.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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They never once asked me for money and to be frank I resent your statement.

Its a recession and I always factor all I can see and $1200 in donations is not jack squat compared to the hours they put in.

I happen to know a young Man named Manny Badillo who only wants justice for his uncle, and while I cant say I disagree about the bumbling nature of this movement I can say that its meant to get justice for the victims of the attack.


The deck is stacked and you wonder why its a mess?

9/11 truth gives us hope because even if just one of us lives to see justice it will have been worth the effort.

This will never stop because they "woke up" a lot of people with that attack.
If you deny it its on you but even Brezinski has said many are "politically awake"



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 09:16 PM
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I really hate to tell you this but you should research some history. This country was founded on the very idea of questioning authority. What you are describing was Nazi Germany. I am pretty sure real Americans would not be lining up behind you in your crusade to do whatever you are told no matter what as long as the person telling you is an authority figure. You are going to like High School.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 09:41 PM
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I have to be frank.

I am a trained investigator and I have to tell you that I really doubt your sincerity.


You see we have people like Ray McGovern, Sibel Edmond's, Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, Robert M. Bowman, Robert Baer, just to name a few saying that there is a CONSPIRACY and then we have you saying that they are all wrong.

I have my own experience yet you claim to know better, I am wrong you imply.

I have met with and spoken to a few of the people mentioned and you are saying. no I am right .. they are wrong.

Can you see how silly it looks on my end?

You really would have to be sick in the head to think anyone with common sense would side with you.

I think you want to help us much in the way Christine Todd Whitman did or the way someone tried to help a First Responder named John in New Jersey last year or maybe even the way Terry Yeaky was helped.

Most of us are ready for any help that may come my way, tell your friends.

The point is you, cannoli and all the "debunkers" who come from the stock of men like troy from West Virginia can really just push off, I will not apologize and I stand by what I said.

If you don't like it you can feel free to come talk to me about at the next event.

In any case I really dont care if you want to come here and debate Truthers on intricacies of the WTC Collapse or what hit the Pentagon, be a human and leave us (NYCCAN) alone.

Unless hounding us and gloating about the cover up is part of your job description.


[edit on 10/17/2009 by samhouston1886]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 09:47 PM
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Its a quagmire with these, don't waste your time.
Its like arguing with someone who insists that the economy is great.

I wonder if its their purpose to bog us down and waste our time?
We certainly outnumber them but 24/7 they are on patrol for 9/11 posts.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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It's become pretty common knowledge on this board that jthomas is just a dog barking, no bite.

The quickest way to get him to shut up or put you on ignore is to repeatedly ask him to verify any of his claims with specific sources and evidence. The quickest way to get him rambling and ranting is to say just about anything else.

He put me on ignore a while ago for repeatedly asking him where anything he was saying about the WTC was supported in a federal report, etc. He became so frustrated by his inability to meet his own standard for evidence that he just put me on ignore to forget about me. Then he makes up all sorts of nonsense about how he and his infinite amount of evidence are invincible.
Frankly he is a troll.

[edit on 16-10-2009 by bsbray11]



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

This country was founded on the very idea of questioning authority.



They weren't teenagers perusing conspiracy websites and sucking up garbage from snake oil salesmen.

They were gentlemen, scholars, and thinkers, and had leigimate gripes against the crown. Like not being represented in the legislature.

You, however, are.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 10:19 PM
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Since you brought me into this conversation, I'll state again that I'm all for investigations into the health issues you guys face now, cuz of the recklessness of those supervising you, the air quality people, etc.

I won't support giving Ed Asner subpeona powers, nor the thinly disguised farce that is NYCCAN't getting their politically based witch hunt.



posted on Oct, 16 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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Jthomas I am still waiting for you to answer my question.

Why do you believe in the OS and nothing else?



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by samhouston1886
reply to post by Lillydale
 



Its a quagmire with these, don't waste your time.
Its like arguing with someone who insists that the economy is great.

I wonder if its their purpose to bog us down and waste our time?
We certainly outnumber them but 24/7 they are on patrol for 9/11 posts.


and they tag team and go out to get warnings like its the karate kid. One will come and egg you on until you get a warning and usually they get one too. That one slips away and another one steps in and does the same. You keep getting warnings for reacting and they all take one a piece. It is like they sit and plan. There is always one of them here to say some contradictory nonsense.

I think the biggest example of insincere they are is when they remind us how little we matter or how few people care what we think or how stupid this all is...and yet they are still here arguing about and spending time to tell us what a waste of time this is. I tried ignoring them but that did not work. I figure I can argue with them while people with more knowledge than me can have a real discussion and then I can at least read that when I am done wrestling with these people that U2U me sexually harassing messages.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by Joey Canoli

Originally posted by Lillydale

This country was founded on the very idea of questioning authority.



They weren't teenagers perusing conspiracy websites and sucking up garbage from snake oil salesmen.

They were gentlemen, scholars, and thinkers, and had leigimate gripes against the crown. Like not being represented in the legislature.

You, however, are.


I never claimed to be any better than them but a teenager I am not.

Do not shift the goal posts because your statement was stupid. You did not say kids on the internet you simply said it was wrong to question authority. OK, help put those jews on the train and don't ask why.

You are so weak and have completely run out of steam. You said something. You made a statement. It was a stupid thing to say. I pointed that out and explained why. Now suddenly it was really about teenagers on the internet. Sorry but you do not get to change the rules because you were wrong. Why is it that none of you just admit when you are wrong. I have yet to sse that. You have been wrong often. I have apologized for being wrong even when I did not really think I was. Be a man and stand by what you actually posted and not what you want me to think you really meant.

Perhaps if you cannot stand behind your own words, you should keep them to yourself.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 07:32 AM
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Originally posted by samhouston1886


They never once asked me for money and to be frank I resent your statement.


What do you resent about my statement?

From the NYCCAN.org site:


80% of your donation will go to NYC CAN’s legal defense fund to help ensure our plaintiffs’ historic fight for democracy and truth will be led by the best election lawyers in New York City. 20% will go to continuing the petition drive to ensure NYC CAN has enough signatures to force the referendum onto the ballot this November. If you donate over $25 you will receive a free NYC CAN button. If you donate over $50 you will receive a free NYC CAN t-shirt and button.


They may have not asked you personally, Sam, but there is a big red "DONATE" button on the home page of their website. I understand funding is needed to make their attempt. The dishonest part (AND YOU CAN RESENT ALL YOU WANT) is that they screwed over all of those that DID donate.

As I said in a previous post. The NYCCAN reps IGNORED the advice of an ELECTION ATTORNEY. They hired an incapable idiot that cost your movement thousands of dollars and thousands of hours. It reminds me of a good basketball player in Boston named Reggie Lewis. Playing for the Celtics, he was told after collapsing during a game by a team of heart specialists that he should not play basketball for his heart may give out. Well, he and his wife went around Boston looking for the answer they wanted to hear. They found a couple. "Reggie can play" they said. As I'm sure you can guess by now, Reggie was preparing for an upcoming season when he collapsed on the gymnasium floor and died.

NYCCAN did something very similar to this, and their petition "died" in a court of law. Perhaps you can speak to Ted Walter and see why he ignored the advice of his attorney? Then asked him what made him hire Dennis McMahon? I'd like to know his answers.


Its a recession and I always factor all I can see and $1200 in donations is not jack squat compared to the hours they put in.


Not sure what you mean here? You gave $1,200.00?


I happen to know a young Man named Manny Badillo who only wants justice for his uncle, and while I cant say I disagree about the bumbling nature of this movement I can say that its meant to get justice for the victims of the attack.


I have listened to Manny, I have read about him and his fight for justice. He, like you is misinformed. If I may, the fight should be for the ones that survived and are now suffering. The ones with chronic lung diseases.



9/11 truth gives us hope because even if just one of us lives to see justice it will have been worth the effort.


HOPE? It gives you lies and takes money from those that are too blind or deaf.

NYCAN.og is proud to state they are supported by people like David Griffin, Richarg Gage, ect.

SNAKE OIL SALESMEN! Sam, why do you buy it? Why can't you see it? These people are frauds! I spoke with Richard Gage personally. I handed him documentation that proves him wrong. Documentation that was sent to him over a year ago. I asked him what's taking him so long! His reply... "I've been busy." We'll it's on video now, me handing Gage in writting the lies that he and Griffin spread. Let's see if he is man enough to respond.

Sam, the hope you seek is not with a pack of charlatans.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by ImAPepper

Originally posted by Lillydale
reply to post by Joey Canoli
 


If you would read what you are replying to, you will see that I am not advocating that this judge be over ruled. I am speaking specifically to the glee you express in seeing that requests for more investigation get shot down. Do not pretend you are only opposed because of how they did it or because of Ed freaking Asner.



The "glee" is that the judge in this case ruled appropriately.



If you watch the video in my signature you will realize that some
things were covered up in the 911 investigation.

I also recommend going out on google video and watching
911 - press for truth.

If you still feel the same way after watching both of those,
then you are beyond hope.

Good Luck to you all !



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

You did not say kids on the internet you simply said it was wrong to question authority.


Here's the paragraph again:

Secondly, young kids, feeling the angst and the need to "question authority" for no real reason other than just.... well, teen angst, need guidance. Their minds aren't mature enough, nor do they have the life experience to be able to separate the real info from the garbage that the snake oil salesmen of the TM sell.

Now tell me where I say it's wrong to question authority. I said they need guidance dut to their immaturity.



I have apologized for being wrong even when I did not really think I was.


Looks like you're wrong again......



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by Joey Canoli


Looks like you're wrong again......





Nope.

You should have gone back a little farther buddy. The first time you mention questioning authority was....

Originally posted by Joey Canoli
I told you already. Cuz some fence sitters will come with open minds, read another side, and realize that the TM is inhabited by nothings "that question authority", rather than using critical thinking skills.


Looks like you are wrong...


...again.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by Lillydale

How about this. Fine, I was wrong. I stated that I knew there were no bodies of passengers found. I should not have said that since even though proving a negative is impossible, it still upsets you because otherwise you would have to prove what you claim actually happened.


Lillydale, I will accept your retraction of your positive claim that "there were no passenger bodies at the Pentagon" even though you still refuse to acknowledge that you have never been asked to prove a negative and the act of supporting your claim is NOT a case of proving a negative.

Next time, learn why you should never make a claim you cannot support. This is a fundamental principle if you expect to ever be taken seriously. And when pointed out to you, learn to have the intellectual honesty to admit it and retract your claim right away instead of going through days of your evasive song and dance.

Now, your next obligation is to refute all of the evidence demonstrating that AA77 hit the Pentagon.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by jthomas
I have asked her to support her claim and she refuses. Now, Jezus, step up to the plate and tell us how Lillydale knows that "there were no passenger bodies at the Pentagon."


It is the default position until otherwise is proven.


In the muddled illogic of a Truther's mind only. One does not ever make a positive claim one cannot support - accept 9/11 "Truthers", who have unilaterally exempted themselves from reason and the rules of logic.

Lillydale has now, reluctantly, retracted her claim when forced to acknowledge the mistake she made.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by jthomas
Now, your next obligation is to refute all of the evidence demonstrating that AA77 hit the Pentagon.


All of what evidence?

1. The security video from the Pentagon DOES NOT show a 757.

2. There are no FBI/NTSB reports mathcing parts found to AA77.

3. I have yet to see any photos and sources of all the parts found that the official story and people like you keep refering to.



posted on Oct, 17 2009 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by jthomas


Next time, learn why you should never make a claim you cannot support. This is a fundamental principle if you expect to ever be taken seriously.




Um....are you serious??????? WHERE IS YOUR SUPPORT???????????????????????


YOU HAVE NEVER SHOWN US A DAMN THING TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS. NOT ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE OR INSANE, YOU PICK.

How can you even be serious when you type that crap?

You did ask me to prove a negative. You asked me to prove that there were NO BODIES. What the hell do you think that is??? Do you know what negative means? Do you know what proof means????

I cannot take you seriously until you start supporting your claims. Either saddle up and show us what you got or just babble to yourself.



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