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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 01:20 PM by bsbray11
Originally posted by Joey Canoli
It's already been presented and accepted by the general public, AND by professionals with the experience to gauge it's truth.


Obviously not because here we all still are, and so are plenty of experts with plenty of experience in their respective fields. You just have this stupid and nasty habit of dismissing them all out of hand and tuning out everything they say without seriously considering it. You THINK you've considered it fairly, but not once have you actually thought about it. Only knee-jerk post reactions on internet forums. I have seen you have "debates" with real engineers, remember?

I love how you carry on as if none of the people you talk to online are real, though. That none of us have real-world counterparts or have any voice out there. But then again, I have already seen you carry on exactly as a troll would when faced with an engineer, Val, who knew what in the hell she was saying, when you, didn't. But oh yeah, there's no experts that agree with us. YOU wouldn't know, because YOU don't even understand the stuff. A 2-year-old could make your posts on here and use the same kinds of fallacious and deflective reasoning/logic.



So that's why you have no case to present us. Not because you're right. Because you don't even know what in the hell you are talking about.

I have been asking to see proof for the official story for years. Why do you think I believe all these crazy conspiracy theories? Because there are only people like you who THINK there is some evidence but are too ignorant to realize there is none, even when pressed hard against a wall. All you can do is try to turn the burden around back on us, but guess what? We never did the investigation. Only officials did. Wait -- stop and think for a second -- now hold that thought -- now think about that.

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reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 02:03 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by Donny 4 million
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JTHOMAS< yes you JTHOMAS,
Are you a US voter?
There is a wide open orifice of yours that contains not one single speck of
substantiated information what so ever.


Amazing. You're upset because I am "just asking questions" of your 9/11 "Truthers" and realize you can't answer them.

The realization that you have wasted 8 years going down the garden path your "9/11 Truth Leaders" led you down must be devastating.

But don't shoot the messenger. I already knew you can't answer any questions about your claims.


reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 02:30 PM by samhouston1886
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I am a Ground Zero First Responder and one of the signatories for the NYCCAN movement.

While it is upsetting that this was not handled correctly what is more troubling is that we have people gloating and enjoying the fact that many of us will die never knowing the truth of that day.

You must be a very sick man to get your rocks off on our misery.


You may think that our pain is amusing but I promise you that one day the truth will be known.

We will not give up on the fallen nor will we mock their memories like you and the other low life's on this board.


reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 02:42 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by Lillydale
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Obviously you have no case to present.


My case is rock solid and I can always depend on you to make it for me every time.

It must be nice to lead a life unburdened by reality.




reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 02:56 PM by ImAPepper
Originally posted by samhouston1886
I am a Ground Zero First Responder and one of the signatories for the NYCCAN movement.

While it is upsetting that this was not handled correctly what is more troubling is that we have people gloating and enjoying the fact that many of us will die never knowing the truth of that day.

You must be a very sick man to get your rocks off on our misery.


You may think that our pain is amusing but I promise you that one day the truth will be known.

We will not give up on the fallen nor will we mock their memories like you and the other low life's on this board.


Sam,

Your service to the city of NY and to those you assisted on 911 is appreciated by everyone. Your all hero's to us.

The NYCCAN petition was set up to fail. The organizers collected money to have this petition pass though the legal channels. They were told by attorneys that it would NOT get through. They went shopping and got pathetic representation. Your anger should be toward them. Your money was taken from you and others in my opinion, dishonestly.

I will give credit where it is due. The TM actually got out from behind their computers and did something. (a small amount of them)

Sam, you say that you will die without knowing the truth. I have to disagree. You're being mislead by charlatans and snakeoil salesmen. If you indeed want to know the truth, there are so many legitimate books that were written about the day. Start with "The Looming Towers" then read "Firefight" ... great reads with lots of information.

If you stay with the truthers, you will stay on the path of failure. You will never see the truth.

Take care!

Dr. P


reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 03:30 PM by jthomas
Originally posted by samhouston1886
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I am a Ground Zero First Responder and one of the signatories for the NYCCAN movement.

While it is upsetting that this was not handled correctly what is more troubling is that we have people gloating and enjoying the fact that many of us will die never knowing the truth of that day.


The issue is quite clear. While you might believe you don't know the truth of that day, the vast majority of us understand that massive and multiple lines of evidence and thousands of eyewitnesses that Arab hijackers under the leadership of Osama bin Laden hijacked 4 aircraft, and successfully crashed 3 of them into WTC 1, 2, and the Pentagon.

We understand the evidence, the methodology of the NIST and ASCE investigations, the fact that they are completely open to anyone including the the world's structural engineers, physicists, chemists, architects, and forensic scientists to being affirmed or rebutted, and the conclusions are sound and compelling.

We also understand that so-called 9/11 "Truth" is in reality 9/11 Denial and we have fought it for eight years. It is fundamentally exactly the same as every other form of denial, including round-earth denial, moon-landings denial, Creationism and Holocaust Denial. And for one who has spent many years fighting the scourge of Holocaust Denial, the methodology, refusal to deal with actual evidence, misrepresentations of factual data, constant repetition of debunked claims and questions, and outright lying is no different.

To claim you do not know the truth is specious. You can only claim that you do not know what you do not know. Those who insist on claiming they do not know the truth have a responsibility to support that claim. It is fundamentally the responsibility of those making that claim to actually refute the existing evidence, something 9/11 Deniers have consistently refused to do for the last 8 years. The burden of proof is on them to demonstrate factually that the massive, existing evidence is not true. And the 9/11 "Truth" Movement has consistently refused to do so and has consistently over 8 years denied that actual evidence or pretended it doesn't exist.

You must be a very sick man to get your rocks off on our misery.


You can apologize to me for such an obscene statement. It is precisely the victims, their families, and the massive number of professionals you claim to be part of who are being insulted and taken for a ride by the very 9/11 Deniers we expose on a daily basis.

I suggest that you examine carefully how you are being lied to by the 9/11 "Truth" Movement and why many of us understand the fallacious reasoning behind NYCCAN - and it's blatant use of the victims of 9/11 and their grieving families for their own political purposes.

One day, I hope you understand why those 9/11 Deniers I expose should be apologizing to you, me, and the entire nation.





reply posted on 16-10-2009 @ 03:53 PM by Lillydale
Originally posted by jthomas
Originally posted by Lillydale
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Obviously you have no case to present.


My case is rock solid and I can always depend on you to make it for me every time.

It must be nice to lead a life unburdened by reality.



I am not sure about that. Ask your doctor. What case is rock solid? Your little game? Is this your way of admitting you have NOTHING to back up your claim about 9/11??????

How about this. Fine, I was wrong. I stated that I knew there were no bodies of passengers found. I should not have said that since even though proving a negative is impossible, it still upsets you because otherwise you would have to prove what you claim actually happened.

Here ya go darlin'. I was wrong. I take it back. I have no idea if there were passenger bodies found there or not.

Now I have read where you stated that there were becuase apparently AA77 crashed into the building. Do you have any proof of that?

p.s. thanks for telling other people you have no evidence for what they want because I did not satisfy your request. Do you even read my posts where I lay out exactly how you will respond? Talk about true to form.
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