Originally posted by watcher73

Originally posted by mikerussellus
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This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

Didnt 1998 end up being a math error and the warmest year on record is in the 1930's?

You make a number of inane claims here. Firstly, I know weather might be your thing, but climate is more than 2 year trends. A quick look at numerous 2 year periods in the past would show cooling and warming - might as well fling dice as to make predictions from such data.

Try woodfortrees to play around with the data from HadCRUT, NASA-GISS, RSS-MSU, or UAH. To put any inferential weight on such timescales is ridiculous.

..suppose that's the problem with using ignore, you can still come across vacuous babbling before logging-in...

Considering that climate is generally defined as a period of 30 years, using the 40 years of data from 1970 is perfectly fine. Moreover, there's an obvious justification of using that period, as it is the most recent period of consistent climate warming (not weather-related noise).

If you want to use the data from earlier (1880 for NASA-GISS), woodfortrees will provide it, along with all the major data sets available. So, if you mean by 'oracle' relying on data rather than ideological gut-based denialism and generally making scheidt up - yeah, I'll use the 'oracle' thanks. Anyway, I know you need this stuff packaged for you, so here's the 1880+ direct observations...

We can go earlier, but then we get into areas were your brethren can show more ignorance and sophistry:

Not sure the 1970+ trend would be so obvious on such an axis range, even harder to see the recent 'cooling' - I'm sure we'll be in an ice-age in 5 years if this cooling continues (lol). We'll be back to the frozen 1970s pretty soon. Wrap up well. Must be coming...anytime soon.

But I do actually think that the thread was about the recent trends...yeah, it's here:

Originally posted by mikerussellus
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This headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

blah blah continue standard denier's ignorant waffle yadda yadda

our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

Originally posted by melatonin

Originally posted by melatonin
(along with obfuscation, misrepresentation, willful ignorance etc etc).

Snowfall: Two mongrels enjoy today's fresh snow in Austria - the earliest snow since records began

Snowfall: Two mongrels enjoy today's fresh snow in Austria - the earliest snow since records began

In the freezing foothills of Montana, a distinctly bitter blast of revolution hangs in the air.

And while the residents of the icy city of Missoula can stave off the -10C chill with thermals and fires, there may be no easy remedy for the wintry snap's repercussions.

The temperature has shattered a 36-year record. Further into the heartlands of America, the city of Billings registered -12C on Sunday, breaking the 1959 barrier of -5C.

Closer to home, Austria is today seeing its earliest snowfall in history with 30 to 40 centimetres already predicted in the mountains.

Such dramatic falls in temperatures provide superficial evidence for those who doubt that the world is threatened by climate change.

But most pertinent of all, of course, are the growing volume of statistics.

According to the National Climatic Data Centre, Earth's hottest recorded year was 1998.

If you put the same question to NASA, scientists will say it was 1934, followed by 1998. The next three runner-ups are 1921, 2006 and 1931.

Which all blows a rather large hole in the argument that the earth is hurtling towards an inescapable heat death prompted by man's abuse of the environment.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk... ing-go.html?ITO=1490##ixzz0Tw6RfwR0

"There was for all intents and purposes no hurricane damage in the United States this year," Robert Hartwig, president of the Insurance Information Institute, told Reuters.

But in the past week or so, it’s become more apparent than ever that those who’ve accused the international organization of politicizing science and manipulating data have been right all along.

This latest disclosure again concerns what has become the favorite propaganda propagation tool of climate activists -- the infamous “Hockey Stick Graph.” The familiar reconstruction, which deceitfully depicts last millennium’s global temperatures as flat prior to a dramatic upturn last century, has been displayed and touted ad nauseum as irrefutable proof of unprecedented and, therefore, anthropogenic, global warming (AGW).

Despite its previous debunking, the embattled AGW poster-child continues to languish in UN climate reports, which are unduly revered and quoted as gospel by all manner of proselytizers. In fact, just last week it had the bad timing to show up in a desperate UN compendium, released just days before Climate Audit published facts that promise to be the Hockey Stick’s (HS) long overdue epitaph. And those facts not only assuage any doubt of the chart’s fraudulence, but also of the deliberate and devious complicity of its creators, defenders and leading UN sponsors.

And without the Hockey Stick’s counterfeit portrait of runaway 20th century warming, climate crisis peddlers’ credibility levels are reduced to those of used car salesmen. Not where you want to be when hoping to sell the instinctively absurd premise that the actions of mankind can influence temperatures in either direction.

So they cheat. And they lie. And they have from the very beginning.

In 1989, climate scientist Stephen Schneider told Discover magazine:

“To capture the public imagination, we have to offer up some scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements and little mention of any doubts one might have. Each of us has to decide the right balance between being effective, and being honest.”

Twelve years later, Schneider was a lead author of the IPCC’s TAR, the same UN report that formally introduced the delusory Hockey Stick Graph.

In his masterpiece work, Heaven and Earth, Ian Plimer assessed the cadre whose own assessments form the foundation of virtually every climate-related scheme, law, tax, regulation and treaty throughout the globe thusly:

“The IPCC is clearly an ascientific political organization in which environmental activists and government representatives are setting the agenda for a variety of reasons including boosting trade, encouraging protectionism, adding costs to competitors and pushing their own sovereign barrow.”

Add lying perpetrators of fraud, and I'd say that about sums it up.

Speaking on the Senate floor in July of 2003, Senator James Inhofe (R-Okla) rightly called the threat of catastrophic global warming the "greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people."