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reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 08:56 PM by ColinRayko
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I don't think it's possible to tell for sre but it's a crazy thought
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reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 09:01 PM by redwoodjedi
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I dunno. A pig flying. I think it is way more Monty Python than that. I think:
A bored soldier in a pasture + a slow barnyard animal + a catapult = the potential for agrarian flight logistics.
OooooooOOOoOOiiink!!
RUN AWAY!!!!
Ahem....
Cheers,
Erik
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 12:06 AM by dmorgan
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Originally posted by azzllin
...also saw a documentary about a fetus inside a mutilated cow looking like it had a human head.
Several stories of strange foetus;s being found inside cows.
Now that is a scary image in my mind.
Regarding this image, and cattle mutilations... there are reports of the deceased cattle having broken legs, as if they were dropped from a height.
The UFOs might levitate them off the ground alive, the cows die from whatever it is 'they' (ETs, humans) do to them, then dump the waste / carcass
back on the ground causing the broken bones.
So if no one can make a 100% sound conclusion that this photo isn't odd, this could be the very first photo of a cattle mutilation, more specifically
the events preceding it.
I wonder if there were any reports of mutilated livestock in the same area. Farmers might not necessarily report it though.
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 07:46 AM by ladyinwaiting
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Okay, I readily admit I have been silly on this thread. However, I now have a thought I wish you guys would help me ponder.
There has been a history over decades of cows being abducted/moved/mutilated and abandoned in the field.
I honestly believe with all my heart that if it is in fact aliens who are doing this to our bovine friends; they are eating them. Seriously.
Think about it. They are far away from home. They run out of food, or decide to take advantage of our abundant cuisine while they are in the area,
just as a special tasty treat. They zip by planet earth to pick up a cow or two, and whatever else we have they can stock up on.
If they are as brilliant and as far advanced as everyone thinks they are, they could have cloned as many of our livestock as they wish, and have their
own abundance. And maybe they have, and they are in cages or free roaming pastures on their home planet.
But how about when they are traveling?
Assuming they have their own food supply aboard the ship, why shouldn't they take advantage of a free meal when they are near our planet?
Another reason: With the remarkable abilities and genius we have assigned to them, why do they keep taking cows? For crying out loud, a simple
sample of the cow's DNA would tell them everything about what a cow ever was, or ever hopes to be. You know? A mouth swab. A blood sample. So why
keep taking the entire animal? And time after time?
Because like I said in my first post.
Cows are delicious.
I would appreciate someone's thoughts on this. I know it sounds silly. But think about it.
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 08:00 AM by redwoodjedi
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Well I think if you look at the cattle mutilation phenomenon and see what is actually happening, you will find that maybe they aren't so much
butchering the poor creatures as they are surgically removing certain organs and genitalia and in most cases every drop of blood. The cattle are
stripped of their vitals right where they experienced their last chew of cud. No tracks going into the scene. None coming out.
So if we use your theory of nutrition source, then they must be harvesting those parts of the cattle highest in protein, vitamins and especially iron.
No meat is ever harvested that I can recall.
There is a book on this sort of thing by researcher Greg Bishop who lives in the San Luis Valley paralleling the Sangre De Cristo Mountains. I highly
recommend his stuff if you are interested.
Cheers,
Erik
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 01:24 PM by IconoclasticTalamasca
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I must be part of the overly imaginative collective, because I see a cow as well. I can even make out an udder. If is is not a cow, real or PS'd, it
just shows how strong the power of the mind is.
...but I think it is a cow.
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 02:24 PM by ladyinwaiting
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Thanks redwoodjedi. I'm happy to see you didn't completely shoot down my little theory.
We don't know what they eat, they might not eat animals in any form.
But we don't know that they don't. It is possible.
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 03:14 PM by redwoodjedi
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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
reply to post by redwoodjedi
Thanks redwoodjedi. I'm happy to see you didn't completely shoot down my little theory.
We don't know what they eat, they might not eat animals in any form.
But we don't know that they don't. It is possible.
That is exactly correct LIW!!
For all we know, these guys are the Alfalfa Police and are seriously pissed at the cattle for multiple agrarian violations and corporal punishment is
exacted on the spot when unknown vehicles arrive in the guise of Judge, Jury and Executioner.
>ATTENTION Earth BEAST!!!< Don't eat the grass!! *ZAP!!* BweeeEEEeeeeeEEEEeeP!
Cheers,
Erik
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 03:42 PM by alanborky
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To me, although this is clearly a picture of a cow, and the couple're also telling the truth they saw it flying, it's also a hoax.
Look at the cow, and at its position in the sky in relation to the UFO.
Why is it positioned at that angle, rear legs dangling down, rib cage region hoisted up at a 45 degree angle, front legs pointing almost directly
forward?
The reason, I suggest, is because it's in a harness, being carried along by a helicopter - it looks no different from countless images I've seen of
cattle and horses being hoisted out of wells, ditches or abandonned mineshafts.
It may even be on this occasion it's a flying saucer doing the hoisting, hidden from view, directly above the cow, using some sort of Star Trek style
invisible tractor beam - but we're supposed to believe the UFO to the right of the picture is doing the lifting.
But if it is, why has it positioned the cow in such a cockamamie way before using its tractor beam to pull the cow towards it at such a cockamamie
angle?
I don't think the family is lying, as such - they really did see a cow flying...I just suspect they're tactically omitting -possibly for humorous
reasons - the little detail the reason the cow was flying was because it was being airlifted by a helicopter.
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 04:13 PM by Orion65
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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Because like I said in my first post.
Cows are delicious.
At least they have good taste, they want a free range, grass fed cow instead of something out of Monsanto's cattle factories. I wonder what their
thoughts are on Kobe beef.
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 05:01 PM by gortex
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Results of investigation of the picture by Salvatore Valentin Carta Santa Rosa La Pampa Argentina CEFORA
1) In the opinion of this analyst, it had a diameter of between 8 to 10 meters and perhaps some 2.40 to 3 meters tall. 2) Some sort of beam was
captured by the camera, and we perhaps cannot appreciate it in its entirety due to some sort of camouflage, subsequently corroborate by the account.
3) Applying filters, we can see that the UFO emitted perhaps high-ionization heat in its upper and lower sections. 4) Volumetric analysis shows that
it was a disk-shaped object whose brilliance corresponded to that of the sun. 5) It is surrounded by some sort of triangular element and another
circular one, or otherwise, plasma that the camera did not record in another shape. 6) I highlight that the resolution of the images generates a lot
of noise in the captures and implies a greater processing time. 7) Insects were present in the photo shoot, but not in these 4 main ones.
Rense.com
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 05:11 PM by redwoodjedi
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Originally posted by gortex
Results of investigation of the picture by Salvatore Valentin Carta Santa Rosa La Pampa Argentina CEFORA
1) In the opinion of this analyst, it had a diameter of between 8 to 10 meters and perhaps some 2.40 to 3 meters tall. 2) Some sort of beam was
captured by the camera, and we perhaps cannot appreciate it in its entirety due to some sort of camouflage, subsequently corroborate by the account.
3) Applying filters, we can see that the UFO emitted perhaps high-ionization heat in its upper and lower sections. 4) Volumetric analysis shows that
it was a disk-shaped object whose brilliance corresponded to that of the sun. 5) It is surrounded by some sort of triangular element and another
circular one, or otherwise, plasma that the camera did not record in another shape. 6) I highlight that the resolution of the images generates a lot
of noise in the captures and implies a greater processing time. 7) Insects were present in the photo shoot, but not in these 4 main ones.
Rense.com
I have never heard of this Salvatore Valentin. I hope that he has high credibility in this field seeing as how he just aptly lent his services to it.
Thanks Gortex for this update. I will see if I can corroborate it with another source as well just to give it a little more meat and validity. Good
find!
I would also like to add that it is good to see that at least one of the images in the photo series is without question, anomalous. That in itself is
quite amazing. Did you happen to catch if the other object was positively identified as a Dairy Cow?
Cheers,
Erik
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 05:39 PM by gortex
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Just found this link to corroborate the Rense story
Inexplicata
Dont know about the cow but According to residents of the island region, mutilated cows have been found on several occasions.
Analysis of the cow in the picture is......
THE BOVINE 1) Objects shown in the images do not display digital manipulation in the adjoining pixels. 2) There is a correspondence between
brilliance and angle regarding the light source (the sun) 3) In non-destructive super-resolution processes applied to the image, the animal turned out
to be a bovine with its right side toward the camera, its head hanging to the left. 4) It can be deduced that the animal photographed in the air was
either lifeless or in a deep stupor, judging from its observed condition. 5) We have managed to see its hooves, tail and head. 6) The 3d analysis is
self-evident.
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 05:46 PM by redwoodjedi
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Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by redwoodjedi
Just found this link to corroborate the Rense story
Inexplicata
Dont know about the cow but According to residents of the island region, mutilated cows have been found on several occasions.
Analysis of the cow in the picture is......
THE BOVINE 1) Objects shown in the images do not display digital manipulation in the adjoining pixels. 2) There is a correspondence between
brilliance and angle regarding the light source (the sun) 3) In non-destructive super-resolution processes applied to the image, the animal turned out
to be a bovine with its right side toward the camera, its head hanging to the left. 4) It can be deduced that the animal photographed in the air was
either lifeless or in a deep stupor, judging from its observed condition. 5) We have managed to see its hooves, tail and head. 6) The 3d analysis is
self-evident.
OUTSTANDING!!
There we have it. These images are not hoaxed. This is completely amazing to me. Well.......Now we're just left with the easy bit of identifying
the anomalous craft. No problem. Shouldn't take more than say 50 years or total disclosure of whomever holds the key, crux and crucible.
Thanks again, Gortex for a fabulous job. I've been looking for updates for the last four days to no avail. Did this just come out today? I'm only
just now on my home computer. The work one won't let me do research as the company server is heavily firewalled.
Cheers,
Erik
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 05:58 PM by redwoodjedi
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Here's the info from the link Gortex provided. Thanks again, Buddy!


Argentina: Cow Abducted by UFO - An Analysis By Silvia Pérez Simondini “There Can Be No Better Proof” Many years ago, ever since 2002, VISION
OVNI was expecting evidence such as this, simply because it is one of the most analyzed hypotheses that our team has worked with, since no traces of
blood are ever found next to the mutilated animals, certainly indicating that animals were not being mutilated on site. Rather, they were being
removed to another location, and evidently, no black helicopters were involved – only UFOs, unidentified flying object. At this point in time I
would like to know what happened to the red-muzzled mouse, what became of the famous Chupacabras, the yellow jacket, and the other explanations put
forth by officialdom to dodge the subject of mutilations. Personally speaking, I am more than pleased, as the number of animals seen by our team over
the years deserved knowing that at least someone tried to find an answer to their deaths. And these answers came from a phenomenon we never dismissed
out of hand, but rather, we always knew was the result of unknown hands, regardless of their origin. We continue our research, but with a broader
concept in mind, and if all certifications give us certainty that there can be no doubts whatsoever, we shall then be faced with a reality that is
impossible to deny: the existence of an anomaly in space, capable of doing such things with utter impunity. Field Research by Elias and Daysee Kolev
On September 8, 2009, members of VISION OVNI interviewed the witnesses of an extremely important event within UFO research. On September 5, 2009, the
couple made up of Laura, Sergio and her 7 year-old son were in Puerto Gaboto on the banks of the Coronada River during the afternoon, enjoying a
visit. At a given moment the saw something over the island that drew their attention. This is the eyewitness account: “We were drinking mate with
our son, when they saw something white in the air toward the island. When they looked through the photo camera’s zoom lens, they saw it was a cow
and above it, something like a flying saucer suspended in the air. A distance of some 30 meters separated the cow from the saucer when the sighting
occurred.” According to their story, it was clearly evident that the saucer-shaped vehicle was “absorbing the cow”. Suddenly, both the cow and
the vessel vanished from sight. It wasn’t a helicopter or any known type of aircraft. Those were their comments. When we asked if the animal made
any movements whatsoever, we were told that there was the sensation that the animal was completely relaxed or unconscious, that it made no movement
whatsoever. The duration of the sighting from beginning to end was from 17:22 to 17:30 hours (8 minutes) and this time is recorded in the sequence of
photos. The river is between 60 to 80 meters wide at that point, says Sergio. The photos show several animals on the island. According to residents of
this island region, mutilated cows have been found on several occasions. The camera with which the photos were taken is a Sony DSC-W70. According to
the reports of Channel 3 in Rosario, when inspecting the camera, a series of photos taken earlier were found along with the ones of the case. In each
of these photo files, the header placed by the camera manufacturer is visible – Sony, in this case – and the date and time in which they were
taken also appears. Therefore, unless some sophisticated technical work was involved, these are original, unretouched photos. For Visión Ovni .
Daysee and Elias Kolev CEFORA Visión Ovni Rosario- Santa Fe Photo Analysis Up to now we have retold the recorded testimony of the eyewitnesses; the
analysis yields the following results: CAMERA Employed: SONY DSC-W170 10.1 megapixels. Image resolution as per the respective images analyzed. No
modification or divergence was found regarding the subsequent editing information (enlargement) of the originals, using the same camera. IMAGES:
THE BOVINE 1) Objects shown in the images do not display digital manipulation in the adjoining pixels. 2) There is a correspondence between brilliance
and angle regarding the light source (the sun) 3) In non-destructive super-resolution processes applied to the image, the animal turned out to be a
bovine with its right side toward the camera, its head hanging to the left. 4) It can be deduced that the animal photographed in the air was either
lifeless or in a deep stupor, judging from its observed condition. 5) We have managed to see its hooves, tail and head. 6) The 3d analysis is
self-evident. DISTANCES INVOLVED According to the eyewitnesses, they were a maximum of 60 to 80 meters from where the events took place, at the
watercourse of the Coronada River where it meets the Caracaña. THE OBJECT: 1) In the opinion of this analyst, it had a diameter of between 8 to 10
meters and perhaps some 2.40 to 3 meters tall. 2) Some sort of beam was captured by the camera, and we perhaps cannot appreciate it in its entirety
due to some sort of camouflage, subsequently corroborate by the account. 3) Applying filters, we can see that the UFO emitted perhaps high-ionization
heat in its upper and lower sections. 4) Volumetric analysis shows that it was a disk-shaped object whose brilliance corresponded to that of the sun.
5) It is surrounded by some sort of triangular element and another circular one, or otherwise, plasma that the camera did not record in another shape.
6) I highlight that the resolution of the images generates a lot of noise in the captures and implies a greater processing time. 7) Insects were
present in the photo shoot, but not in these 4 main ones. Conclusion – the digital document is to my understanding a complete and accurate one.
(Analysis performed by Salvatore Valentin Carta – Santa Rosa – La Pampa – Argentina – CEFORA) (Translation (c) 2009, S. Corrales, IHU.
Special thanks to Silvia Pérez Simondini and the members of VISION OVNI)
Source
Cheers,
Erik
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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 08:32 PM by FireMoon
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If this is a hoax. It would seem that a whole organisation is involved with it. This is going to break world wide and break big if those pictures are
certified genuine by some other source. I hope the people involved are ready for the circus coming their way. There are going to be some pretty
vicious attacks coming their way from people who, lets face it, are going to have their credibility questioned, big time, if these photos tunr out to
be the real deal.
As such, they are going to bite back and bite back big time. I have to admit I'm just a bit numb about it. Ok, so theres hundreds of photos, but come
on. A floating cow and a UFO? This is pay dirt, if true.
Maybe it's a sad indictment of this world we live in, but even now, I'm still thinking inside a week or so, this is going to be shown as a hoax and
the people will confess it was *viral marketing*, for something or other.
On the other hand, there is also the possibility that, it is the real thing and that, the spread of technology worldwide, has, at last, come home to
roost, big time, for the UFO researchers. I've often thought, as have many others, that some kind of serious proof, if proof this turns out to be,
would eventually come from the most unlikely and obscure source.
As it stands, I'm not sure what to feel. I can't help thinking that, this whole thing is one sophisticated hoax, but damn... on the other hand,
just maybe, the whole world changed today.
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 03:16 AM by redwoodjedi
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Wow, FireMoon!
I can feel both your trepidation and excitement on this breaking event. I have never seen somebody flip-flop back and forth between wanting to let
go, Christmas Day excitement and reserved, I've been bit before holding back as many times as you.
I think like you. But I feel at about a 75% level of trust that this is the smoking gun photo evidence and case. The analysis looks good. I would
like to know more about Mr. Valentin as a researcher but all in all it looks good.
I will keep all posted on the ensuing Media Circus that is sure to come. In the meantime, let's enjoy this potentially important moment if only just
for a bit. Let's pretend for just a little while that this is the "IT" case.
Cheers,
Erik
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 03:37 AM by redwoodjedi
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Hey everyone,
In lieu of this latest and very important UPDATE on this case, I have U2U'd jkRog about it to see if he could add a tag saying Important
Update to the thread title for me as it is, I feel, very important.
I have also asked him if Jeff Ritzmann might be available to look at the photo analysis to see if any Hokey Pokey is going on. If he says no, that
will do it for me. I will then stake my cred on this case. I would also do the same if Dr. Maccabee were also to give the green light on it.
Everybody has just got to be patient. I know, I am not doing so well with that concept either. I hadn't really expected this case to evolve like it
did. I thought, "hey, this is cool but it is probably a crank and a waste of time" type of deal.
I had know idea that this is what would transpire.
KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED EVERYBODY! This could be IT!
Cheers,
Erik
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 04:23 AM by redwoodjedi
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The other thing that you folks can all do of course to make sure that this gets the attention it should be is to Star, Flag and please Dig this
important case.
Start Digging it hard. This brings attention to it from outside ATS. Thanks to everyone in advance.
Cheers,
Erik
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reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 04:41 AM by radarloveguy
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These photos appear to show a cow jumping
over a weather balloon ..er..moon.
now I want to see the dish running away with the spoon.
But seriously folks , what if...
those particular e.t's have radiation poisoning from their
own power sources [cold fusion]
and the most compatable spares are in a cow .?
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