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NYPD tracking cell phone owners, but foes aren't sure practice is legal

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posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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NYPD tracking cell phone owners, but foes aren't sure practice is legal


www.nydailynews.com

The NYPD is amassing a database of cell phone users, instructing cops to log serial numbers from suspects' phones in hopes of connecting them to past or future crimes...civil libertarians are alarmed by the new policy since normally a warrant is needed to obtain information such as calls made or numbers in an address book.
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posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 06:36 PM
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On the one side the police are saying this will be very helpful in tracking crimes and criminal rings in an era in which the police are increasingly "outgunned" by disposable phones and so forth.

On the other, of course, freedom-lovers everywhere fear and loathe the increasing drift towards government involvement in communications -- a process that seems to be unfolding rapidly and from all possible directions at once. This is just one piece of a larger puzzle, IMHO. A large, hairy, and unpleasant puzzle.

www.nydailynews.com
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posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 06:39 PM
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I'd say that's definantly an invasion of privacy.

And it can be easily misused. "Oh, look the Senator is going into an area known for prostitution."



posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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Definitely sounds like a privacy issue, since cell phone numbers aren't publicly listed. Not too mention, people that tend to be up to no good don't have contracts and the same number for long. Pay as you go and disposable phones, this is not new.



posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 07:50 PM
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Honestly, people in New york are more paranoid than elsewhere in the country and you can see why. If you are worried, though, here is your solution:


There are limits to the data's usefulness - all Chinese-made cells sold in India have the same number and some overseas cells are embedded with fake numbers.


So you can spoof the ID number, which means that most high end criminals will already have spoofed phones. How hard do you think it would be to get a cheap Chinese cell phone from India?

I just don't understand what they mean by "removing the battery to prevent leakage".



posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 08:13 PM
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Once again, the police and government overstepping the constitution. They aren't doing it so much for past crimes as the cell companies only hold the information at this point for three months. I know this because the police dept was just working on a missing persons case and Sprint could only give them three months of phone records for the individual they were looking for.

So I think what he meant to say was "we're using it future or "thought" crimes but we'll throw in the word past for good measure."


S&F



posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 08:27 PM
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absolutely stupid

this will not help with any criminal situation

anyone doing criminal activity with their cell phone are using disposable ones and they will have a new one every few days or weeks, if not everyday depending on how serious the crimes are

all this does is further infringe on the rights of the law abiding AMERICANS


in my opinion anyone guilty of infringing on american rights should be banned from america, just like the old days instantly banished, deported, whatever you want to call it but get these idiots out of this country

[edit on 9-10-2009 by Dramey]



posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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Just to clear things up, the article states that even disposable cell phones have an ID number. They aren't tracking cell phone numbers, they're tracking cell ID numbers and linking them to other cells.

The article even mentions an instance where a spree of burglaries was solved when the suspect called 911 from his disposable cell phone after being assaulted.

If they catch you doing something they will take your phone and record the ID number then match that data to the data they've already collected and determine what cells you called by ID number, even cells that are disposable.

The best way to beat this system is find a way of spoofing the ID number, which can be as easy as getting someone over seas to send you a cell phone.



posted on Oct, 9 2009 @ 08:52 PM
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Well we know this isn't about terrorism that's for sure.

You can go into Walmart and get a $20 phone you've never used before without registering it so this is definitely about tracking normal people using every cell phones.

I saw we amass our own database and track them back and report wherever they go and who they call and see if they like it.



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