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I'm Getting the Vaccine - Tonight.

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posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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[edit on 11-10-2009 by dodadoom]




posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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Health care providers from throughout Long Island gathered on the lawn of Suffolk County's Health Department Saturday in a second day of protests against the state's mandatory flu-vaccination order...

Demonstrators insisted the swine flu vaccine is unsafe

News Day


Most healthy children recover and often suffer only mild symptoms. But some have died from it, often from a second infection that moves in while the body is weakened from the flu.

Orlando Paper

That goes along with what I read and posted yesterday. Most of the children that have died with H1N1 were previously compromised. According to some reports 75% of them had problems such as, asthma, chronic lung disease and, especially, muscular dystrophy and cystic fibrosis. These kids could not have been saved by the vaccine. The CDC says outright that they are not fit to take the vaccine.

That means out of - let us say - 80 kids, 60 we could not help. That means the rate is about twenty kids that might have been helped. That is not a small number, however it puts things in a better prespective.

We also don't know what percentage of the 20 might have had undiagnosed problems that would have put them at risk with the vaccine. It is very disinginuous to say even a large percentage of those that died might have been saved. It is hard to say and hard to hear. However, that doesn't make it less true.

The number of pregnant women to die has reached 28. Nobody makes a big deal out of this number. However, if thought of in minimum terms, that means 56 lives were brought to an end. This group is ineligible for the vaccines as well.

It seems to me the people getting hit the hardest are the ones that are not supposed to take the vaccines anyway. Of course, we can not be positive about how many of these people are perishing from swine flu. As I also reported (in another thread) the CDC admits it is no longer tracking swine flu cases. They are throwing in seasonal flu, pneumonia, and other "respritory infections" in to the count. The CDC admits that they have no real way to track how many cases are H1N1. They haven't been able to accurately count from the begining.

Long Story About Counting

I am not saying to avoid the nasal vaccine. I am saying read everything about it. Then think carefully. If after all of that you feel safe and secure that you will not harm your self or others do it. I just want people to read all sides of the story. Then they can use common sense and critical thinking to plot their next move.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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When he says cultured he is talking about the method for testing to see what form of influenza the person has. This is not uncommon early in flu season or in cases outside of flu season. It helps to give doctors a better idea of which strain may be affecting people in general during flu season.

Again he was talking about the method for identifying what form of influenza someone had. Look at the context of the whole press confrence and not a small sound bite.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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Friend, are you side stepping my challenge to your false "B" statement on page 9 of this thread (last comment) or did you simply miss my reply?

Again, here is my post to your misinformation:




Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by kneverr
 


A) I don't understand how you can understand my intent better than I can.

B) It is impossible to become infected, or transmit, H1N1 Influenza solely from taking the vaccine.

C) Rense is nonsense. There are about 4 billion threads debunking Rense on ATS.


Strange, you now profess to be more intelligent or know more than the CDC? Either that, or you are leaving blatantly misleading statement on "B" and that would be in very poor taste.

Rense.com may be nonsense, I only said to visit the link for an interesting read on the subject but let us get back to the official facts I left in my last post or would you now like to spin the issue?

Your "B" statement is not supported by accredited science professionals that have weight against those in the CDC.

Just because you want to believe you are not infected, does not mean it is true friend, sorry for the wake-up call.
I know, it must be frightening to realize that you could be a Typhoid Mary and hurt, permanently injure or even kill one of the people you supposed to be helping.

..and let us not forget what you admitted, which compounds the issue:

Originally posted by emsed1
I have a crappy immune system.


But please forgive me, If you have proof that the CDC is wrong, by all means present your official proof; until then, please do not mislead people here.

In case you missed this in my first op:
CDC
Person-to-Person Transmission of Vaccine Viruses

"Because LAIV contains live influenza viruses, a potential exists for transmission of these viruses from vaccinees to other persons. Vaccinated immunocompetent children can shed vaccine viruses for 1 virus strain, with a mean of 7.6 days duration (17). One influenza type B isolate was recovered from a placebo recipient and was confirmed to be vaccine-type virus. The estimated probability of acquiring vaccine virus after close contact with a single LAIV recipient was 0.58%--2.4%. The type B isolate retained the cold-adapted, temperature-sensitive, attenuated phenotype, and it possessed the same genetic sequence as a virus shed from a vaccine recipient in the same children's play group."

"use of inactivated influenza vaccine is preferred for vaccinating household members, health-care workers, and others who have close contact with immunosuppressed persons because of the theoretical risk that a live, attenuated vaccine virus could be transmitted to the immunosuppressed person and cause disease"
(www.cdc.gov...)

Until you prove you are not a threat to those you suppose to be helping; I stand by what I said:
"...this admission (that you have a "crappy" immune system), compiled with how you are now infected with the LAIV vaccine and that you are a Paramedic who deals constantly with a multitude of sick & injured people, makes it exponentially more probable that you may very well shed your infection to the immunosuppressed public you suppose to be helping.... if you truly care about helping & your oath, you should now take a month off. "


You made the decision to start this thread, it would be appreciated if you would take the time to answer all the ATS members that took the time to involve themselves in your OP



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by exposethosesecrets
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I'll be following your thread. Hopefully you will be honest about adverse effects.

Do I sense tension in your posts. Are you a bit nervous?


I'm not nervous at all about the nasal vaccine.

I am nervous about the nasty stuff in the injected vaccine, but since I was nervous about the nasty flu I decided to go the safest route possible.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Extremely well stated!

Education is the answer.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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OK I thought you were just rambling again so I didn't take you seriously.

Accredited medical researchers in clinical trials undertaken under the National Institutes of Health have been able to verify that ONE (1) male patient with HIV infection and immunocompromise was detected to have shed a small amount of H1N1 material on day five, and day five only.

Could it be from the vaccine? Or could it be that he lives in a world surrounded by H1N1 flu carriers with HIV and was exposed before the vaccine took effect? Which is more likely?

Research suggests that it take eight days for the vaccine to provide full immunity in healthy people.

Therefore if he came across someone with swine flue before the 8 days was up (remember it was on day five) then he could have possibly gotten the virus.

Here's the paradox. The vaccine contains INACTIVE virus. Inactive virus cannot cause an infection, only active virus can cause infection.

Same thing with the kids study you talked about. You give kids the vaccine and they go play with their friends at school before the 8 day 'waiting period' is up then 8% of them get the flu.

They didn't get it from the VACCINE, they got it from their friends. Remarkably 82% of the vaccinated kids DID NOT GET SWINE FLU, even though they were playing with the same kids.

This suggest that the NIH statistic that 80.9% increase in immunity from the H1N1 vaccine. In fact they are co-supportive.

Just because 100 people buy a Ford Mustang and 18 of them crash and die in the Ford mustang does not mean the Mustang killed them, and that Mustangs are evil.

Proximity does not equal causation. Visceral twisting of statistics does not constitute truth.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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And finally - about the month off.

On average 96% of us will be completely immune in 8 days. Since I am only able to work weekends because I have TWO JOBS to support my family, the next possible time for me to work is next Saturday.

Coincidentally that will be 8 days from when I got the vaccine.

So, how about I worry about my business and my life? How about you worry about yours?

I hope in your ignorance that if you don't get vaccinated that you don't sneeze on an immunosuppressed child that subsequently dies from the disease.

Have you ever considered that?

I will be physically unable to infect someone with H1N1 in a week. I cannot humanly be possible to give someone H1N1 flu.

However if YOU get the flu, and YOU convince those around you to not get the vaccine then YOU are the one continuing the spread of the pandemic.

As much as you guys want me to die, I want ten times more for none of you to get the flu. I want a thousand times more for you not to spread it. And I hope a million times more that you don't inadvertently cause the death of a child through ignorance or pride, based on your complete lack of scientific understanding.

That's hyperbolic, I know. But I truly, truly respect whatever decisions you make. I thank God that people are still around that research and fight for their beliefs. The possibility remains, ever so slight, that you may be right, and may in fact save lives.

Ironically by creating this big thread that is drawing a lot of attention I am, by association, giving you a bully pulpit as well to present your views.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by ElectricUniverse
 


OMG.

Tamiflu is NOT a vaccine.

Relenza is NOT a vaccine.

These are anti-viral medications, not vaccinations.

If you don't understand even the basic science of vaccination then you should really go back and take some time to research it.

I'm not talking about Tamiflu. I have not taken Tamiflu.



"OMG, OMG, OMG"...

Did i say it was?.... Did you actually bother to read my post?... I said tamiflu is taken orally for a reason.... i know it is not a vaccine...

BTW, just in case you didn't notice, you yourself stated in the name of this thread that you are getting the VACCINE.....

It seem the drug is already affecting you.

Whether you want to accept it or not tamiflu is another drug to treat influenza....

BTW, before you start with another "OMG" response i know what what you are taking is for H1N1, and i know it is not a vaccine... i never said it was, but we have been posting the fact that every drug they are making for influenza, and H1N1 do have bad side effects....

One more thing...You actually think people are going to start accepting the vaccine, or some other drug for H1N1 just because you decided to take it, when there are DOCTORS and NURSES who are protesting and say they don't want to neither be forced, nor to take in any way the vaccine?....





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posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Go ahead and keep telling people they are ignorant for not wanting to take the vaccine when you have been told, and have been shown on several occasions that DOCTORS, and NURSES are protesting because they don't want to take the vaccine either...

Most of us made more research than you have done, so go sit in your high and almighty chair for a while to feel better about yourself but stop it with the stupid labels...




[edit on 11-10-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Patient update

T + 39 hours

Vital Signs

Temp via MedLine oral thermometer: 98.0 degrees Fahrenheit.

Blood Pressure: 126/89 mmHg

Pulse Rate: 109 (I usually run in the 90s but I've had some caffeine and my last post worked me up a bit)

Respirations: 15 per minute, unlabored

Skin: Pink, Warm, Dry; Capillary Refill = 1 sec.

Breath Sounds: Clear and equal across all lobes

Heart Tones: Present; Normal

Symptoms: Runny Nose from nasal decongestant. No other complaints


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I feel great people!

We'll see how it progresses, but for right now I'm just enjoying the ride.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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Sorry to have called you ignorant.

You are intolerant of other's beliefs.

You are closed-minded to the possibility that the vaccine may ACTUALLY work.

My apologies.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by emsed1

Sorry to have called you ignorant.

You are intolerant of other's beliefs.

You are closed-minded to the possibility that the vaccine may ACTUALLY work.

My apologies.


Wow...so now i am the one that is intolerant of other people's belief when it was YOU who started a thread by calling every person who decides not to take the vaccine a "dirty patient" and "ignorant"?....


I am not closed minded, you are closed minded to the fact that there are DOCTORS and NURSES who have decided not to take the vaccine, and are protesting...but hey according to you they are also "ignorant" and "dirty"....


Nice try to mirror your flaws on other people...


[edit on 11-10-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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swine flu is for swines



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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Again, just because you believe something, does not make it true. I challenged you to post proof to your claim and to prove that the CDC is wrong. You did zero but spin the issue with your own mere personal assumption by twisting the facts to suite your needs.

Here is your statement:


Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by kneverr
 

B) It is impossible to become infected, or transmit, H1N1 Influenza solely from taking the vaccine.


The CDC has scientific proof that proves that your above statement is blatant misinformation.
CDC states:"Because LAIV contains live influenza viruses, a potential exists for transmission of these viruses from vaccinees to other persons. Vaccinated immunocompetent children can shed vaccine viruses for



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by emsed1
Patient update

T + 39 hours

Vital Signs

Temp via MedLine oral thermometer: 98.0 degrees Fahrenheit.

Blood Pressure: 126/89 mmHg

Pulse Rate: 109 (I usually run in the 90s but I've had some caffeine and my last post worked me up a bit)

Respirations: 15 per minute, unlabored

Skin: Pink, Warm, Dry; Capillary Refill = 1 sec.

Breath Sounds: Clear and equal across all lobes

Heart Tones: Present; Normal

Symptoms: Runny Nose from nasal decongestant. No other complaints


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I feel great people!

We'll see how it progresses, but for right now I'm just enjoying the ride.


Question emsed: Did you have a stuffy/runny nose prior to the shot?

How about any other respiratory symptoms prior to the shot?

Do you normally contract respiratory infection/allergies during the Fall/Winter?

Do you live in an area where it's already very cold?

All of these need to be considered as well.

Last, what proof do we have that you actually took the nasal spray and are not a paid GS worker doing their bidding?



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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Question emsed: Did you have a stuffy/runny nose prior to the shot?


Yes. As I stated many times already.




How about any other respiratory symptoms prior to the shot?


I had a respiratory infection in early September that was mild and resolved a couple weeks ago



Do you normally contract respiratory infection/allergies during the Fall/Winter?


Yes I do, as already stated in my posts.




Do you live in an area where it's already very cold?


In the midwest. It's been down into near freezing the last few days and we may have a possibility of our earliest first snow ever.



All of these need to be considered as well.




Last, what proof do we have that you actually took the nasal spray and are not a paid GS worker doing their bidding?


You have none but my word and my description of the experience. I scanned my patient information handout and posted it earlier in the thread.

So believe me or not. I don't care.

If I am hoaxing, though, wouldn't this be the worst hoax of all time? It would be incredibly stupid to lie about getting the vaccine so I can get ridiculed.

If you want to petition SO to verify my identity I can provide documentation of who I am, where I work, copies of my consent documents, my pre-vaccination quiz, etc.

I'm not posting private information on here though.

If you have been a member of ATS for longer than a few days you would be aware of the process that takes place once someone is ready to call HOAX.

So if you are ready to call HOAX then go back and read. If you lose, your account is closed and your IP blocked.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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I never mentioned a HOAX. I said how do we know you are not a paid GS.

In addition, many do not read all the pages of posts because of the time involved, or other reasons, so you may get the same questions over and over.

The government is VERY CONCERNED about people getting the vaccine, so again, forgive me if I have an air of doubt about your stated intentions to promote the efficacy of the nasal spray vaccine.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by skepticantiseptic
reply to post by emsed1
 


I never mentioned a HOAX. I said how do we know you are not a paid GS.

In addition, many do not read all the pages of posts because of the time involved, or other reasons, so you may get the same questions over and over.

The government is VERY CONCERNED about people getting the vaccine, so again, forgive me if I have an air of doubt about your stated intentions to promote the efficacy of the nasal spray vaccine.




Please stop putting words in my mouth.

I never said I was "promoting the efficacy of the vaccine".

My STATED INTENTION was to let ATSers know how my experience went.

And to protect myself from swine flu.



posted on Oct, 11 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by skepticantiseptic
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I never mentioned a HOAX. I said how do we know you are not a paid GS.



Because you have no proof.

If you are suggesting I am, then provide proof.

Otherwise you are making yourself look silly.

I can't prove I'm not, because you can't prove a NEGATIVE.



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