Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Originally posted by rapunzel222
the less types of food you need to eat to survive and the more simply you can do it , the better your chances.
people need to realize they can actually survive on very little. you really only need vegetables; fruit; nuts; seeds;
beans/chickpeas/lentils/soyabeens/corn; grains like rice/brown rice/other grains. and maybe some eggs/fish a couple of times a week if that. and
water. (you dont in fact need much meat to survive. or indeed , any; if you eat eggs - maybe fish. also lots of vegetarians live in india and they
once you realise this; it means you can pretty much grow what you need to survive; and dont have to depend on supermarkets etc. you can keep chickens
for eggs; and practise your fishing. or have a dam/lake.
Ok so explain to me why nearly every single primitive tribe holds meat as a very important resource, our ancient ancestors feasted off of it. Oh year
sure they had vegetables and grains a plenty but meat was most certainly a massive part of the diet. Especially in cold climates.
Explain to me how you are going to grow enough food, on your own to supply all of your needs without proper equipment? I mean it's all got to be
grown in a summer, everything you'll need whereas wild animals look after themselves and can be harvested at will.
Sorry but i wonder, have you ever spent a month or two in the woods without food? Have you worked on a farm, a traditional one?
Guessing no to both those answers.
I agree however that people eat to much. This is easily evidenced by the tons of obese and over weight people and the general appearance of most
people. Most men seemt o have a slab of fat hanging on their guts (the first palce it generally goes in men). I suppose they are just doing what their
genes tell them to, our ancestors that ate tons when they could were often successful.
Re: the history of meat. i suspect the mainstream view of this is a little off. If you go back to the ancient greeks, plato wrote about a society
that eats a lot of meat and noted that such a society would need a lot of doctors becuz it would be full of unhealthy people. Everyone agreed with
him as if this was common knowledge at the time. Also in the ancient greek olympics athletes were put on a strict vegetarian diet before the games
becauz it was thought this would make them fitter.
(Ethiopians are usually pretty thin, and pretty good distance runners if you think about it. the best in the world actually. and they probly have a
fairly vegetarian diet perhaps?)
Also in regard to hunter gatherer societies, which i think you are alluding to; the thing is - most of the bones we find are thousands of years old
we're talking. so naturally the large bones of large animals killed survive. Yes sure, they did need to kill large animals, not just for food but
for materials to make stuff out of - and skins to keep warm etc. But the frequency at which they did this is difficult to reconstruct. As only the
bones of large animals may survive, we may be getting the wrong picture of ancient diet. They probably gathered a lot of plant foods, grains, seeds,
berries as well; but these things have not survived the thousands of years to come down to us. So we get this idea that all they did was hunt
animals. If you look at modern day hunter gatherers like the australian aborigines, a large part of their daily diet is vegetarian. They could count
on this food, where as killing an animal was probably a less frequent occurrence, the hunt might fail, and the animal had to be shared between a whole
tribe so everyone got a small portion. Plant foods play a very important role in Aboriginal diet, like yams as a staple. Also, being very active and
physically demanding lifestyle, the probably small amounts of meat they did eat were worked off. And they would probably more frequently catch WHITE
meat - ie. goanna, fish, shellfhish, birds, (ie.e small stuff), than they would catch RED meat, which is bigger game like kangaroos etc. And as ive
said, RED meat is the stuff you have to watch as its linked to inflammation which is linked to cancer. as dairy is too. And the aborigines didnt eat
dairy. or much sugar (honey was a rare luxury that they would walk miles to get at certain times of the year).
Also, dont forget many asian societies and indian ones that have LONG traditions of vegetarian or mostly vegetarian diets. Western society isnt the
be all and end all. Prior to adoption of western dietary practices these countries all had low cancer rates ; very low. Breast cancer became known
as 'rich women's disease' in china because only women who could afford a western diet rich in red meat (and probably who started eating dairy which
they didnt usually eat) were observed to get the disease.
In cold climates, yes eskimos eat a lot of meat. Its probably not so bad for them to do it as they burn a LOT of energy in the cold and with their
active lifestyle. Also they lived in a pure environment probly free of carcinogens or things that INITIATE cancer. I am only saying that once cancer
is STARTED/INITIATED, certain types of food can cause it to grow or not grow, as discussed in my other thread. I dont think the eskimo diet is
representative of most societies on earth. It was out of necessity, as nothing else wud grow; i dont think its the ideal health wise specially if you
arent that active, or without the cold to burn energy. Not sure what their sources of green are. I know lapplanders ate the stomach contents of
reindeer or other animals i think to get green stuff their bodies needed...
You could grow food in summer and STORE it for winter - dry it and so on; pickle it; like people have been doing and solving this problem for
thousands of years. Years ago, all families preserved foods and grew their own foods. Coles is a relatively new phenomenon. And now we have
freezers, even better.
No where did i say you cudnt catch fish or shellfish or birds if you want. i did say you can survive without it probly if you eat eggs, which you can
also forage for; and nuts/seeds/beans /mushrooms/even tree bark etc.
Also i am advocating growing and storing this stuff. i.e. being PREPARED. and i while i think a vegie garden is a good start, if you're storing food
for winter etc it is more work but still worth it i think. I was trying to make the point that we dont need hot chocolate, marshmallows, jellybeans,
and complicated food to survive (in fact its unhealthy). We can SURVIVE on simple foods; and on very little. so if you're storing food and growing
it to be prepared, dont waste time on stuff that has low nutritional content or is unnecessary to survive on.
But if you're talking about surviving out in the wilderness with no prepariation, its a different matter. I think the skills you need to do this
are very high. Perhaps we need to ask indigenous people how they managed it. they have generations of experience and will probably survive when no
one else does. If you're desperate, of course you'll eat whatever you can catch. But maybe the more you know about food in the local environment,
the more stuff you'll realize you can eat which may be largely plant type foods and easier to obtain than meat. I maintain, that you CAN survive on
this type of food, if you can get it; and that people dont generally need as much food as they think they do.
Look how thin everyone was in the 70s compared to now. when we cant survive without a frappacino, Maccas and fries.