Also let's not forget that there are a LOT of people with a vested interest in upsetting the relationship between Israel and the US, so it seems highly likely that this story has a political agenda to it.

laurauk - mattpryor doesn`t seem to distinguish between those israelis who are honest , hard working and faithful followers of judaism , and the zionist nut jobs who are driving there country into destruction - the zealots who run israel are using judaism as a tool , there has been holocausts before and since then - yet we are reminded of the suffering of the jews (yet not any of the other 10 million who also died at the hands of the nazi`s) were is the reminder of the slaughter in the days of stalin? or the genocides in africa?


my heart goes out to those innocents in israel who will end up suffering because of this

Originally posted by Harlequin
laurauk - mattpryor doesn`t seem to distinguish between those israelis who are honest , hard working and faithful followers of judaism , and the zionist nut jobs who are driving there country into destruction - the zealots who run israel are using judaism as a tool , there has been holocausts before and since then - yet we are reminded of the suffering of the jews (yet not any of the other 10 million who also died at the hands of the nazi`s) were is the reminder of the slaughter in the days of stalin? or the genocides in africa?


my heart goes out to those innocents in israel who will end up suffering because of this

I believe you really hit the nail on the head there. It’s the decent honest Jews who are being set up and made to suffer and suffer more, and will likely suffer even greater as a result of out of control Zionist politics.

I honestly believe Israel’s survival depends on them getting the Neoconservative Zionists out of power. You would think Israel is the world’s only superpower and determined to take advantage of it the way the Zionist Government operates. Yet the reality is it’s a small sized nation whose military is rich in advanced assets courtesy of the United States but will quickly find a lot of grounded expensive worthless toys without spare parts for them if the United States cuts or alters it’s relationship with Israel. The Shah of Iran’s military and Air Force was top shelf too with American weapons but with out the spare parts became virtually worthless in a couple of short years.

Israel talks a little too tough for what is essentially a small child that will be in big trouble should it loose its big brother.

The Zionists are driving that wedge, and perturbing many of us here in America with their extreme politics and often arrogant stances and their attempts to belittle those that won’t agree with hard line extreme Zionist politics.

Eventually the American people will stop voting for politicians that support Israeli causes and it won’t matter how powerful AIPAC is. It certainly won’t matter should lobbying reform ever come to pass on Capitol Hill.

Israel and the Zionists need to relax and take a chill pill and remember that what they really are to America is our number one charity case. What’s the saying about looking a gift horse in the mouth?

In the end it will be the innocent Jews that suffer the most for failure to curb and put an end to the Zionist Political machine. Neoconservatives and Evangelical Christians here in the United States as well need to stop acting in lock step with the Zionist Political machine.

It’s especially important to remember that the Evangelical Christians do actually welcome the appearance of an Anti-Christ figure and a apocalyptic war fought over and in Israel for their religious prophecies to come true in regards to the second coming.

That I imagine would not be a good thing for a peace loving Jew. Strange bedfellows indeed!


[edit on 9/10/09 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by chiron613
Some of you seem to think that the US supports Israel out of some sort of (misguided) altruism. This isn't the case. The US supports Israel for the benefit of the US, not for the benefit of Israel.

This is true about all our foreign aid and humanitarian efforts. While it might help people, we're doing it because it helps us (or, we think it will help us). If it ever turned out that it would be better to bomb those same people, we'd do it in a heartbeat. If you don't believe me, look at Iraq.

You need to distinguish between the reasons for an act, and the *explanation* for that act. The reasons for protecting Israel range from the Religious Right wanting to foster their biblical prophecies, to our military wanting to have a presence in the predominately hostile Middle East. These are the reasons for protecting Israel.

The *explanations* are much nobler-sounding. Defending the underdog against overwhelming odds. Preventing another Holocaust. Supporting a democratic country in a region riddled with dictatorships and theocracies. How noble of us, right? That's why politicians say these things. They want the support of the American people. But it's a crock.

If it ever turns out that the US decides its interests would be better served by bombing Israel out of existence, you can bet that suddenly Israel will disappear. The US is looking out for its own interests. Never let anyone tell you otherwise.

Oh I enjoyed reading this post. Can you imagine the sqealing from the Israeli/Zionist regime if ever the US of A turned against them.

The Israeli supporting loudmouths in this thread seem to think that Israel can look after itself. I can assure them they are wrong, and if ever they are left to face their enemies on their own they will be anniliated.

Even USA with all its military might cannot win wars against determined people with much less weaponary.

Israel is making an almighty mistake building nuclear weapons in secret and beliveing they will save them. No way. If even one of those warheads was to leave the ground Israel would find itself turned to glass within seconds. They know it and so it won't happen.

Regarding Israel coming into Europe, I don't think so, well not with the current zionist regime who do nothing requested of them by the international community. The whole point of Europe is that everyone abides by the agreed rules laid down by the centre. I cant see Israel joining in with that. Although if they did it would be a good thing because the zionists would have to go.

Another thing, Tony Blair recently converted to Catholic. This is so he appeals to all the other Catholics in Europe. Will Catholic Europe support Jewish Israel ? I don't know, but I doubt it.

I think we will see the demise of Isreal from here on. Nobel Peace Prize winner will now befriend the Muslim nations, force Israel to retreat and eventually bring about regime change in Israel.

Oh and remember when Mrs Tony Blair went to Palestine and mortified everyone when she spoke about the plight of the Palestinians. She said she could understand why they would bcome suicide bombers because life for them was so bad, there was nothing else for them to do.

Tells you how the Blairs think