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Originally posted by fraterormus
Just like the Christian Bible passages can be used for convey a peaceful message or a message of violence, hate, and intolerance, so can the Qu'ran.
And it's not just the Abrahamic religious texts that are that way.
So, what do we do then? Ban all Religions that have Religious Texts with content that any minority disagrees with?
Not all Muslims are violent extremists that adhere to strict and literal sharia, commit pedophilia, and polygamy. Those are the rare exceptions to the rule, just as those kind of extremists are exceptions to the rule amongst Christians.
If we don't allow Freedom of Religion (or lack thereof) and the Wall of Separation to stand for ALL Religions, even if we don't agree with them, then what use is our Constitution? Constitutional Rights were never meant to be conditional or provisional. They were absolutes and unalienable. As such, any true Patriot of Democracy or our Constitution should be outright against the banning of any Religion.
I think people like this, suggesting the banning of any Religious Belief other than their own are no better than the extremists they are hating and speaking out against.
Boo be unto Geert Wilders! Your intolerance gives Atheists a bad name! (Who are equally protected under Freedom of Religion, I may add!)
[edit on 8-10-2009 by fraterormus]
Nothing to get mad about, bad people do bad things all time, as the saying goes, no use crying over spilt mil.
As far as your reply goes, you just made up a bunch of stuff, and claimed it was what I said, when I did not say any of the nonsense you made up.
Never said to ban Muslim styles of dress or religious symbols. I stated that we need to ban two very specific items that Muslim women are forced to wear, burqas and head scarves.
People can't walk around naked, because it is offensive, or wear T shirts with offensive language, and they should not be allowed to force their wives to travel in a cloth prison, it is offensive.
Once again, a gross distortion of my opinion, and not all all what I have said, you are just making stuff up, and all conquistadors are baby makers. Those are some pretty big mental gymnastics you are doing here.
First you go after Whites, now Mexicans. Sounds racist to me, at least I am basing my opinion on what you have stated.
Once again, I never said anything about them not being able to reproduce.
What is the birth rate of Palestine?
Conquest by the womb is exactly what Muslims are trying to do.
Saying conquest by the womb does not come close to saying that Muslims should not be allowed to breed. There is a massive difference.
What is the birth rate of Palestine?
Conquest by the womb is exactly what Muslims are trying to do.
Since I have answered two of your questions, please answer one for me.
Have you ever tried to open up a little and see that maybe this issue has nothing to do with discrimination or bias of any kind, and everything to do with what is right or wrong?
Originally posted by Jinni
What I don't understand is that if Islam is such a terrible [insert metaphor here] religion then why is the fastest growing religion in the world?
Men AND women around the world are turning to the Islamic religion from other faiths, mosques are full on Friday which is unlike the attendance that Christianity receives during Sunday. 'Mohammed' is the world's most popular name and the Koran is the most sold book.
One could attribute it to births [some may think they like to have many kids] but I am seeing many many converts too.
If Islam had such flawed principles then I doubt it would be where it is today.
I don't want to overgeneralize
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Bombeni
I don't want to overgeneralize
then don't
put your money where your mouth is Bombeni - how many Muslims do you know personally (and I do mean personally) that were taught - actually taught - to kill anybody?
You are rearranging my words. The rest of the paragraph spoke of the celebrations in ME countries due to 9/11. True story.
Muslims don't just dissaprove of just Christians; they dissaprove of Jews, and anyone who isn't muslim.
They are taught to "kill the infidel" and anyone who is not muslim is the infidel.
If you want to promote Islam, you've come to the wrong place.
Muslims have a culture, and even when they immigrate to the US, it is very hard for them to completely change their culture.
Originally posted by poet1b
I say ban the burqa..
This article is a fatwa to unveil the veil and liberate the world from violent and lethal punishments for adultery. It is designed to be explanatory, for Muslims, and non-Muslims alike, on the status of the veil, and its more oppressive forms. If you are a Muslim, it is set out as a valid religious opinion. If you are not a Muslim, its grounds are human common sense and compassion. It includes scientific and biological arguments, which are valid for all human beings, traversing all human cultures, and have implications for the practices of other religions as well as Islam. In religious terms, this is a fatwa rejecting the claim that, under Muslim teachings, women are required to wear the veil, or that it is desirable to do so.
Your post is much too long to quote here.
What was that, a dig at people who own or operate fast food businesses? Is there something dishonest about that?
I live in America
so no one has personally told me he wishes to kill to non-muslims. Would a cowboy walk into a biker bar and tell people he wanted to take a few bikers out of the way? To steal one of your words: duh. But this isn't muslim country. Head yourself over to the middle east where the sentence is death for abandoning the muslim faith, where you might get a more REALISTIC answer to your question.
put your money where your mouth is Bombeni - how many Muslims do you know personally (and I do mean personally) that were taught - actually taught - to kill anybody?
Originally posted by De La Valletta
reply to post by Spiramirabilis
put your money where your mouth is Bombeni - how many Muslims do you know personally (and I do mean personally) that were taught - actually taught - to kill anybody?
OKAY , THEN. DENY THERE AREN'T ANY!
"I don't give a rodent's hind end about the rest of the paragraph." It says something about you.
I knew 2 men , we were freinds as children but as they grew older they changed. JAMAL and ASSEF. Now I testify that this is the truth and I'm not just saying so . JAMAL was a TERRORIST, ASSEF was HARDLINE FUNDAMENTAL , both were indoctrinated to hate and kill by their local mosque , a small rundown shia mosque. There's a much larger , fancy sunni mosque across town this is in a "Christian" country .
BUT here's the killer , how would you know if I knew them or not?
(Other than me telling you so e.i hearsay)