YOu guys all talk tough but if the # really did hit the fan you would be lucky just to stay sane. The First infected tooth, the first cold winter, watching neighbors starve as another poster said id rather die trying to save this world than live in one that resembles mad max. We need to move forward as a society people need to start growing there own food.
canning is a great way to preserve food. Set up some solar cells to offset your electrical cost, a wind turbine. So if everything does go to crap you wont be sitting in front of your closet with a shotgun rationing out dehydrated food from costco. Organize your neighborhoods to pull together in case of emergency. Im not saying everyone is wrong for preparing for a disaster but you will never be able to stockpile enough to survive long without organizing into groups. How bout only voting for people who will end are constant state of war so we can use all that money to make our nation fiscaly sound again. Dont give up yet on this world we live in because trying to pick up the pieces will be near impossible. Heres a real easy solution to alot of are problems Hemp.
Wouldn't eat be nice to also just grow a little green medicine and chill out with freinds with out having the Feds put you in jail to protect petrol profits.

I do like the brew kit

Originally posted by MADCZAR
YOu guys all talk tough but if the # really did hit the fan you would be lucky just to stay sane.

Actually, some of us can walk the walk not just "talk tough".

id rather die trying to save this world than live in one that resembles mad max.

Pretty bold passions showing there madczar. Would you like to explain to us what you're currently doing to try to save the world?

We need to move forward as a society people need to start growing there own food.

Recent legislation has made growing our own food practically a crime. It can be confiscated. Why would anyone want to go to the time, trouble and expense to grow their own only to have some government gobbler confiscate it?


canning is a great way to preserve food. Set up some solar cells to offset your electrical cost, a wind turbine. So if everything does go to crap you wont be sitting in front of your closet with a shotgun rationing out dehydrated food from costco.

Canning is a great way to preserve food but without adequate security measures to protect your food stores, you might as well let the government confiscate is because the neighbors certainly will.

Organize your neighborhoods to pull together in case of emergency. Im not saying everyone is wrong for preparing for a disaster but you will never be able to stockpile enough to survive long without organizing into groups.

Could you provide pointers on how you organized your neighborhood? I'd be really interested to know. My neighbors (most of them) are entitlement minded opportunists who steal things out of my yard now. I hate to think what they'll do when the SHTF.

How bout only voting for people who will end are constant state of war so we can use all that money to make our nation fiscaly sound again.

I didn't see any of those choices of politicians on the ballot. Haven't for years. Are you offering to run?

Dont give up yet on this world we live in because trying to pick up the pieces will be near impossible.

Some of us AREN'T giving up. That's why we're preparing to survive.

Heres a real easy solution to a lot of are problems Hemp.
Wouldn't eat be nice to also just grow a little green medicine and chill out with friends with out having the Feds put you in jail to protect petrol profits.

Chillin' with your friends over a little hemp is hardly the answer to the world's problems. It doesn't need to be illegal but it does need to be regulated. Our founding fathers warned us that our type of government was only for a Christian people; it wouldn't work for anyone else. They were right. Our once great nation is in free fall and "wishing" will not prevent it's decline. Those of us who hope to make a better world are preparing to survive so that once the dust settles we can rebuild something better.

White Wave I agree with most of what u are saying. U
can google how to make a wind turbine only hard part is the transformer wiring which u could prob just buy one. How to organize ur community just call over some close freinds and decide on a plan of action in case of disaster. If they know a doctor or a mechanic someone with skills there would probally be alot of bartering going on in the world u think and could actually happen in a case of social breakdown or disaster. Alot of people dont own guns it would be a good idea to know some that do. Just because we disagree doesnt mean u have to make it personal. I just like to keep a sense of humor. Maybe we could pull together and come up with a way for basic low energy refrigeration. Another good idea would be fungi or mushrooms very healthy and easy to grow, have you every tried QUorn tasty stuff. I really think most people are good and would pull together in tough times. Without the social hierchery above us people would probally be much happier. Hell icould finally grow my passion without fear of prosecution. Then you could come over and laugh at me for being wrong and we could have a hoot. Then I would follow u home handcuff you and steal all your dehydrated food. Just kidding. Oh lastly a good idea would be to have alot of manuals for things like engine repair solar cell construction since energy would be so rare. Wood burning stove might save your life to.

Lastly are founding fathers were the farthest thing from Christians and old George imported smokable herb seeds. Im glad when disaster hits you will be there to set up another Christian based failure of a system. See we have so much to talk about. Im sure Jesus wanted us to exterminate a race with whisky and small pox. Im met God once when I did a massive dose of Salvia. He said I still needed some work before he would come over for poker night. And by the wayI am a student of history particularly
Antiquity. Id rather see a Vedic system of goverment set up atleast they like sex and free will.

Originally posted by MADCZAR
Honestly how pathetic have we become. Stock piling dehydrated food,
get a backbone stand up and use your energy to try to change the world.
Instead of stockpiling crap that some gang of thugs will just come take from you. Your buying your salvation from the same facist system who is scaring you into buying it. Be scared very scared you can do nothing to help others save your self. Dont worry about anyone else unless it benfits you. If tptb exist they must read post like this and pee there pants laughing. Look at these cowardly little monkeys they deserve to be dominated. So huddle and hide and pray for salvation while chewing on your dried food because all your water has gone bad. Not me I will be on the street with anyone else who wants to stand against the long night. Hopefully people will wake up and we can regain are liberty as free men and women before we let it slip away. So stop stock piling worth less food and start talking to everyone u know about how u feel about the society we have created. Education and communication are are swords.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Stockpiling food isnt just for a riot/martial law/revolution scenario. For instance, during hurricane Fran, my family was cut off from the rest of the world for a week or more and this would have been very nice to have then. Luckily we had good friends and neighbors that helped get us through with cold showers and hot meals.

Why buy it?

If you have a gas stove the pilot light provides enough heat to dehydrate...just place the fruit or veggies or even meat on screens and place in the oven.

A basic dehydrator can be had at mal-warts for about $40 dollars

and for around $150 you can get a good rectangular model with 10 shelves from midwesternresearch.com...

Also...and I have one of these from the same company is an electric smoker for up to 20 pounds of meat at a time...and with an adjustable temp. gauge from 100 to 220 it can double for other things as well.

Is there a shelf life to the dehydrated food? I'm assuming it's a long time, but are we talking a year, 5 years....10 years etc?

Well ... ! there you GO
....a part of the solution to the 9.8% (or much higher) unemployment

a sizeable number of these people could start up homebased food preservation businesses...hawking their products around the neighborhood at first --> just like the Latino gals with their homemade burritos
(i encountered this type of fledgling business in Phoenix AZ)

Something to consider, just in case anybody hasn't already.

Dehydrated or Freeze-dried fruit is missing the majority of its moisture. Therefore, if someone is trying to survive off of this source, it becomes even more important to be able to obtain and purify water!

I am not knocking dehydrated foods, they are very important, especially in the wilderness, but good old-fashioned canning has its benefits as well, and H2O is one of them.

You could survive quite awhile without water, if your foodstuffs were canned, but not if they are dehydrated.

I choose to store both. I have a good store of Cans and Bottles, and I also have some dehydrated stuff in case I have to hit the trail! I am also lucky to have a well, but who is to say whether or not that water would be any good in a SitX.