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Originally posted by Mak Manto
HA!
I was waiting for someone to bring in the "PTB!"
So, if this case is thrown out, the Powers That Be had it thrown out!
I'll speak for one of the many ATSer's on this site who haven't forgotten the motto of "Deny Ignorance."
It's seems with birthers on here that if you believe Obama was born in the United States, and that he is a natural-born citizen, you're on the Left.
Now, I AM ON THE LEFT. I was born a liberal, and I'll die a liberal, but there is too much evidence showing Obama was born here in the US.
Originally posted by j2000
Originally posted by Mak Manto
HA!
I was waiting for someone to bring in the "PTB!"
So, if this case is thrown out, the Powers That Be had it thrown out!
I'll speak for one of the many ATSer's on this site who haven't forgotten the motto of "Deny Ignorance."
It's seems with birthers on here that if you believe Obama was born in the United States, and that he is a natural-born citizen, you're on the Left.
Now, I AM ON THE LEFT. I was born a liberal, and I'll die a liberal, but there is too much evidence showing Obama was born here in the US.
Well you see if differently than I do. A small question was raised because of the way and where he was brought up.
No real answers were given. The extreme right fed the fire.
At that point, he should have stopped, given out all his records and had it done with. He did not. He went to extreme measures to cover up whatever he is covering up.
His college records and his state senate records being the two that stick out the most.
His BC is only a small part of this as far as I am concerned. But, if they can make him give that up, the rest will follow.
Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by Mak Manto
Figured you'd be posting here, since trying to debunk the birth certificate issue seems to be your assigned subject.
Just because you've been gullible enough to accept obama's "proof", doesn't mean everyone else has, or should. Look at all the 9/11 and fake moon landing believers out there going off of a lot more circumstantial evidence than the birth certificate issue.
Originally posted by j2000
At that point, he should have stopped, given out all his records and had it done with. He did not. He went to extreme measures to cover up whatever he is covering up.
His college records and his state senate records being the two that stick out the most.
His BC is only a small part of this as far as I am concerned. But, if they can make him give that up, the rest will follow.
Originally posted by Sestias
These writings are not secret.
His state senate voting record is also a matter of public record.
I still see a huge double-standard in the way McCain has been treated vs. Obama. Nobody seems to care about his college writing or his publications. Presumably because they are not thought to possibly be "shockingly liberal."
Originally posted by Jenna
Except that apparently no one has been able to find them.
You mean the ones where he didn't even vote, or if he did he voted 'present', half the time?
There was a resolution passed during the campaign declaring that McCain's birth on a military base in Panama made him a natural born citizen and thus eligible for office.
Originally posted by Avenginggecko
Do you guys ever realize that her press releases and postings are always exactly the same? It's always, "Oh my goodness, the Judge has ordered *insert legal phrase* and we're going to court! Obama will be out in 30 days! Trial is set for *insert date not too far away*."
The setting of dates could be standard court procedure.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Don't you mean that they're not posted on the Internet? That doesn't mean they don't exist, you know. My grades and papers from school aren't posted on the Internet, either.
Half the time, huh? I would have expected a little more accuracy from you. The actual number is 3.2%. Yes. 3.2% of the time, Obama voted present. You're spreading lies, Jenna. That's beneath you.
There was also a Resolution passed declaring that Obama was born in Hawaii.
There was also a Resolution passed declaring that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Originally posted by Jenna
EDIT: I can't find his State Senate voting record. His record from Congress is easily found, but I can't find anything that goes back before 2005 and he was in the State Senate up to 2004.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If you want to count up his "present" votes, I can tell you that they were about 130 out of 4000. It all depends on what you're looking for.
Maybe one has to submit an FOIA request? I know I saw his State Senate Record on the Internet, but I can't it now either.
Originally posted by Jenna
Entirely possible, but I would think that state Senate voting records would be a matter of public record and wouldn't need to be requested through FOIA.