HA!

I was waiting for someone to bring in the "PTB!"

So, if this case is thrown out, the Powers That Be had it thrown out!

I'll speak for one of the many ATSer's on this site who haven't forgotten the motto of "Deny Ignorance."

It's seems with birthers on here that if you believe Obama was born in the United States, and that he is a natural-born citizen, you're on the Left.

Now, I AM ON THE LEFT. I was born a liberal, and I'll die a liberal, but there is too much evidence showing Obama was born here in the US.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
HA!

I was waiting for someone to bring in the "PTB!"

So, if this case is thrown out, the Powers That Be had it thrown out!

I'll speak for one of the many ATSer's on this site who haven't forgotten the motto of "Deny Ignorance."

It's seems with birthers on here that if you believe Obama was born in the United States, and that he is a natural-born citizen, you're on the Left.

Now, I AM ON THE LEFT. I was born a liberal, and I'll die a liberal, but there is too much evidence showing Obama was born here in the US.

Well you see if differently than I do. A small question was raised because of the way and where he was brought up.
No real answers were given. The extreme right fed the fire.
At that point, he should have stopped, given out all his records and had it done with. He did not. He went to extreme measures to cover up whatever he is covering up.
His college records and his state senate records being the two that stick out the most.
His BC is only a small part of this as far as I am concerned. But, if they can make him give that up, the rest will follow.

Originally posted by j2000

Originally posted by Mak Manto
HA!

I was waiting for someone to bring in the "PTB!"

So, if this case is thrown out, the Powers That Be had it thrown out!

I'll speak for one of the many ATSer's on this site who haven't forgotten the motto of "Deny Ignorance."

It's seems with birthers on here that if you believe Obama was born in the United States, and that he is a natural-born citizen, you're on the Left.

Now, I AM ON THE LEFT. I was born a liberal, and I'll die a liberal, but there is too much evidence showing Obama was born here in the US.

Well you see if differently than I do. A small question was raised because of the way and where he was brought up.
No real answers were given. The extreme right fed the fire.
At that point, he should have stopped, given out all his records and had it done with. He did not. He went to extreme measures to cover up whatever he is covering up.
His college records and his state senate records being the two that stick out the most.
His BC is only a small part of this as far as I am concerned. But, if they can make him give that up, the rest will follow.

And that's where I disagree, because you know why?

Obama has shown his short birth certificate both online and offline. He's shown he was born in Hawaii to his mother.

He's proven it already, and so I know that if birthers want to see more information, such as his long form, or his school records, and it says the same thing, they'll then say that the "PTB" made up these records.

Orly Taitz will also go on that Barack Obama made up false records.

It'll never end...

He's proven it already.

Originally posted by j2000

At that point, he should have stopped, given out all his records and had it done with. He did not. He went to extreme measures to cover up whatever he is covering up.
His college records and his state senate records being the two that stick out the most.
His BC is only a small part of this as far as I am concerned. But, if they can make him give that up, the rest will follow.

As far as Obama's college writings are concerned: Almost all Master's theses and Ph.D. dissertations are published by University Microfilms and can be ordered by anybody who is interested in reading them.

Presumably back issues of the Harvard Law Review--which I believe he both edited and published in--are also available from Harvard Law School. There are also many libraries that carry back issues of it.

These writings are not secret.

His state senate voting record is also a matter of public record.

I still see a huge double-standard in the way McCain has been treated vs. Obama. Nobody seems to care about his college writing or his publications. Presumably because they are not thought to possibly be "shockingly liberal."

No matter how she spins it, this woman has tried every possible angle to bring her case to court. Absolutely no new evidence has been presented (except the forged stuff she tried to pass off as real - ironic really that the woman trying to bring a case that Obama forged documents has been proven to use them herself).

Do you guys ever realize that her press releases and postings are always exactly the same? It's always, "Oh my goodness, the Judge has ordered *insert legal phrase* and we're going to court! Obama will be out in 30 days! Trial is set for *insert date not too far away*."

Then, the date comes, and the same exact thing happens: suit is completely thrown out.

Also, I can't seem to find anything in her documents that the motion was denied, it's still under submission. The setting of dates could be standard court procedure.

The summary motion of judgement also precede the trial dates. Summary motions of judgement allow the presiding judge to make a verdict without a jury when one party has no "material issue of fact" to present to the court. As I understand it, if Carter believes that Taitz has no real evidence to present to the court, then he can toss the case without wasting the jury's time.

Taitz never made a motion so the only one Carter has to consider is the Defendant's motion to dismiss the case. For some reason, I doubt Taitz has anything to present to the court other than speculation.

Do any of you honestly believe this case is going somewhere?

[edit on 9-10-2009 by Avenginggecko]

Believe me, there is still tons of ATSer's who understand that this woman is a nutcase...

Originally posted by Sestias
These writings are not secret.

Except that apparently no one has been able to find them.

His state senate voting record is also a matter of public record.

You mean the ones where he didn't even vote, or if he did he voted 'present', half the time?

I still see a huge double-standard in the way McCain has been treated vs. Obama. Nobody seems to care about his college writing or his publications. Presumably because they are not thought to possibly be "shockingly liberal."

Slight difference here. There was a resolution passed during the campaign declaring that McCain's birth on a military base in Panama made him a natural born citizen and thus eligible for office. Not to mention the fact that McCain wasn't elected thus his college writing and place of birth doesn't make one bit of difference. He could have been born on the moon and it wouldn't matter because he wasn't elected. It's a really simple concept.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If you want to count up his "present" votes, I can tell you that they were about 130 out of 4000. It all depends on what you're looking for.

It's the no vote's that I'm interested in. Not just Obama's, but pretty much every Congressman's. (Or Congresswoman's.)

Maybe one has to submit an FOIA request? I know I saw his State Senate Record on the Internet, but I can't it now either.

Entirely possible, but I would think that state Senate voting records would be a matter of public record and wouldn't need to be requested through FOIA.

Originally posted by Jenna
Entirely possible, but I would think that state Senate voting records would be a matter of public record and wouldn't need to be requested through FOIA.

Well, it's possible you can write and ask for them. I don't know. But they're clearly not on the Internet any more in a list format as they used to be. That doesn't mean that they're "sealed", though, as so many try to say.