Originally posted by fraterormus
What was a Police Officer doing on campus? I understand that many schools have Security, but the Police are only there when called. Did the child refuse to comply to a school administrators request to abide the dress code and then phoned the Police? If so, then the Officer's reaction, although excessive, wouldn't be as disgusting a response as it would seem otherwise.

Still, treating anyone, let alone a minor in such a way isn't doing any Law Enforcement any service. All he is accomplishing is making the minor, and everyone who has seen this video hate Law Enforcement all the more.

The fact that the child is a Special Needs child shouldn't pertain, although the Officer should have considered such (which is usually why such matters should be left to the school administration who is aware of what the child's Special Needs are and how best to deal with them). Most Special Needs children are quite functional, just with discipline problems. In our day and age the kid in class that would beg for Detention or flip the teacher the bird until they were dragged out into the hall to get a paddling are now classified as Special Needs. They were the ones we previously called a "Problem Child". They aren't bad kids, nor are they "Special Ed" kids, but just kids that require being handled differently than your average kid.

My daughter for instance, is classified as "Special Needs" because woe be unto any young female that tries to discipline her, although she's a model student with any mature female or male disciplinarian of any age. Her school knows that if you want her to comply with something and you are a young female teacher, to get an older teacher or a male teacher to assist. If a young female Officer tried getting my daughter to comply the same probably would have happened as in the video as my daughter doesn't consider young females to have any authority over her (she has mother issues obviously). She would have ignored them, walked away, and depending on the LEO who knows what would have happened.

At least neither side is playing the "Race Card"...after the initial video I was expecting that one to be played.

So, the person who said that we might be jumping to conclusions prematurely without having all the facts I can see as having a valid point.

However, regardless of the circumstances, the LEO did overreact. The extent of his overreaction is only the thing that would be determined by weighing all the circumstances involved. The punishment certainly didn't fit the "crime". If a student doesn't meet the dress code for a school, and refuses to comply, then send them home suspended until they decide they are willing to comply. You don't clobber them from behind, tackle them, and restrain them for failing to tuck in their shirt.

Not true In most areas, there are 2-3 officers assigned to particular schools. Especially high schools.

That he is a special ed child is VERY relevent-there are specific laws pertaining to the treatment of special ed. While I dont necessarily agree with it, many of the kids are special ed because as an educator, there are specific steps your have to go through before you can take any action against an abusive or neglectful parent.

The other side, without a doubt, is that schools get extra funding for special ed. More special ed-more money.

Having officers on campus is very dangerous for this reason. They dont know which kids are special ed. For example, I have 2 students who are classified E.D.(emotionally disturbed). They function like every other student most of the time. But when things go bad, they really balloon, and they both have major trust issues.

If a cop asked either of them to do anything, they would simply walk away, because they dont know the cop, and dont trust strangers. That in no way means they are disrespecting the cop. But the cop would have no way of knowing that. If he were to then get more authoritative with either of the kids, it would escalate, without a doubt.

Originally posted by Roadblockx


I'm not saying adopt a whole police state, drop that lame @ss talk. I'm saying that we don't need to flip the police off just because we can, we don't need to bad mouth the police in front of kids or children as they will follow our behavior, we should be respecting the police. Yes there are some bad apples but tell me one profession that doesn't.

[edit on 8-10-2009 by Roadblockx]

That is a good point. People don't need to disrespect the police simply because they can.

But isn't the reverse is also true? That officers don't need to mistreat people simply because they can?

As for bad apples, yes you are right. You get a "bad apple" mechanic - you are out money and your car doesn't work. You get a "bad apple" cop and you get beat up, thrown and jail, possibly permantly injured and maybe the rest of your life ruined depending on bad a bad apple he is. The point being that, a bad apple officer has the power to do far more harm to you than a bad apple in most any other profession.

I think the feeling is the general public doesn't really see these bad apples getting dealt with in a way they feel that makes the public safe from them.

In my first job out of college I worked with the local sheriffs dept. Some of the officers I meant were without a doubt some of the finest men and women I've ever met. Others were among the worst I've ever met. Yet there seemed little effort to weed out those bad ones.

There is absoluetly no excuse for the officers behavior,

There was threat to him or to other students, he even took the time to set his coffe down before assaulting the kid.


I hope his family wins such a huge lawsuit that it shuts down the school, and the officer should lose his job.
He assualted a child, end of story.

Thanks for all the replies everyone.

Personally I see in the video a cop that lost his cool. He attacked that kid not because he was a threat to the cop or anyone else - he wasn't even confrontational - but for an infraction of whatever rules that school imposes. Did he say anything to the cop to set him off? Impossible to tell, but there was hardly any interaction between them in the video, just a slacker kid turning a corner and walking away from the cop. Maybe the cop told him to get his shirt tucked in, and the kid didn't respond in an appropriately "obedient" manner.

What's most disturbing is the way the cop comes at the kid from behind, slamming him headfirst into a locker then throwing him face first onto the ground while punching him in the head, then putting him into a deadly face-down restraint. I'm sure a big dude like that could have gotten the kids attention without going ballistic on him.

Maybe the kid has a history of discipline problems, I don't know and it would be highly presumptuous to assume so. He seemed composed enough in the interview, but only a doctor could make any real assessment to his needs. I've met more than a few kids who seemed normal under most circumstances, but when they go off kilter, look out. A lot of the time, it really is the parents that should be blamed.

If you treat kids with violence, they're not going to learn respect, they're only going to learn how to use violence themselves.

BTW I think there are a lot of really good cops out there who go "above and beyond" to help out others, it's a shame they get dragged down when one cop goes haywire. Cops in tough neighborhoods get put into confrontational situations all the time and handle it like real pros, they know that a little respect goes a long way. That's how you handle kids, lead by example.

What they,t hey ssytem aught to do is, instea of shutting down a pulbic school, form lack of city adn state funs, shut THIS school down...lay off the administraitors as punishment for looking out for the student, which is what thier supposed to be doing in the first place, outside of their ofice tasks, and close the school..shut it down. Its obvious already the place is jynxed* a horrible place to get any kind of real mental learning capabiliys* iF that cop has been thier acting in this manner or near it for some time...the only reason the truth came out, is becuase of the video and media to our eyes. I do indeed wondeer, what they have been learning at leat for as long as that lazy gut over his belt copper has been thier..he strikes me as the kind of scum, that makes the few he finds visualy unpleasant for his eyes, in a secluded room, doing things to them: ( sexually abusing one with his police stick, maybe rape 2 or 3 of them, having 1 or 2 giving him sexuial pleasure, if they dont they wont graduate or walk out of the school alive ever again...threats and the such. HEll, bieng in retail, for a CVS in southwest CT, it happnes time to time..wanna keep your job? drop em,bend over ect. it has happened..at leat form what i hear...that sad thing is, the state nor city really cares: ( msot are illgal immigrants, they know they wont say anything.
I really think, the city ro states should kep tabs on people in hostile school and work environments* thats the sad trtuh ladies and gentelman... today its called eduation and business*

Yedahj, i wondered that too..what did the kid say ro do to the cop that wasnt seen on video? It dosnt matter....he is a special eds need kid...need anyone say more? watching his vid, really i doubt he is capable of much of any violence by comaprison to the cop. AS the saying and law goes..who threw the first punch? thats what matters, when in court* tis still assault, even self defense, in the laws eyes, sometimes, butt he judge is most likely going to want to know, who threw the frist swing* that usualy means, yuor in trouble then... not all the time. a freind of mine, like 3 or 4 yers ago, woke up one night, near where i live. Latino dude was breaking into his truck. MY freind went out,a nd bashed him over the head with a baseball bat, wooden one. almsot cracked his skull open, and at court, all he got ( my friend) was 6 months probation)* so i can differ i guess. BUt it was self dfense, as the due was illegal here in US, and he was defending his property.
Back on subject.. The only times i can remember any reason a cop to be in any school, was from the early 90's..ide read in newspapers, perticualry NYC, teens bringing guns, ammo, axes n crazy stuff with em to school. Alot of schools got metal detectors* For an officer of the alw, to be in a special needs school, is absurd..its like the city is trying to justify af aovred payroll or something. IN my city, stamford, CT, the city caters! to the cops and allows them mad overtime .. meanwhile in any toher jobn, overtime is thie, but silently prohibited. Why didnt this school, have a secuirty officer instead? I think the city should lay off this cop, and hire a security officer then.. as well as the school adminsitration, again for failing to look after thier schools peers, and incinuating/allowing violence with underagers* god, i really wonder what else went on behind the walls of that effin POS school.

Originally posted by nunya13
Oh, okay Mr. Officer. Since he said a curse word at you I know completely understand why you body slammed him and threw him on the ground face first while punching him. I'll remember that it will be okay for me to do such a thing next time some 15 year kid curses at me.

This is what bothers me about the entire situation and not just this officer but many others. They, if someone even swears at them (which is admitedly wrong) can violently assault that person and get away with it. If however some little moron on the street swears at me repeatedly while his little friend next to him laughs i can't go over and give them the spanking that they're sorely in need of. No i have to be an adult, walk away and forget it.

The legal system seems very slanted towards the police.

I simply don't see why everyone can't understand that this was compleatly racially motivated. As we all know, we stopped being a country of white, black, brown, yellow a long time ago. There are two races out there. Those in control and those not. The child in question was one of the nots and the cop in question is one of the Those. I don't know about anyone else, but should I go and shoot my ex-wifes husband 24 times I am fairly certain that there wouldn't be any roaming about the streets for me a year after the shooting. Chances are I wouldn't make it to the jail. If I ran out and raped some young lady I am fairly certain that I would be in jail the next day. Hell if I write three bad checks in ten days time they will put me in "PRISON" for up to five years. No, not jail, prison. The cop in question however was allowed to keep his position and abuse his athority in yet even another horrid fashion.

This mearly shows the clear definition between them and us. We are all at their mercy, and truly there is very little we can do about it individually. Things simply will not change until we band togeather against those who would make us into the serfs of the dark ages. Either we stand togeather against such horrors or we fall alone, each facing our own personal demons.

But speaking Thursday, Charles Lloyd said he had seen the video and discussed the incident with his son, who he said was "just trying to do his job as a police officer and is completely innocent."

"My son said, 'Sir, you need to tuck your shirt in,' and this boy (cussed at him and said) 'I'm not going to tuck my shirt in, you can't make me,' " Charles Lloyd said.

"That boy struck my son in the eye and broke his glasses -- he had a history of behavior issues," he alleged.

Christopher Lloyd was arrested last month and charged with sexually assaulting a woman he knew at her home in Hammond, his father said.

According to Lake County, Ind., court documents, he held a pillow over the woman's face while sexually assaulting her Sept. 14 and had previously threatened her with a knife.

What a piece of ****.

"That boy struck my son in the eye and broke his glasses --" Load of BS. Never happened in the video.

Hope this lowlife thug rots in jail.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer


"That boy struck my son in the eye and broke his glasses --" Load of BS. Never happened in the video.

And even if it DID happen, it most certainly never happened before the officer slammed him into the lockers. It COULD have happened while the officer was attacking him and punching him or it COULD have happened just before he did the "face-down take-down" move.

Either way, still doesn't excuse the officers actions. You can't blame someone for poking you in the eye while your physically attacking them.

And him having "behavioral problems" still doesn't justify the officers actions. If anything it makes it a little worse because this officer KNOWS this a school specifically for kids with behavioral problems. He should expect this kind of behavior and not react so violently to it.

I want to know why he was allowed to be around those kids, especially kids who would test the limits of even a passive person, given his violent history.