There are two types of threads which are somewhat popular right now on ATS:
a) don't underestimate the stupidity of the public
b) evil NASA will bring about doom by crashing their spacecraft into the Moon

Methinks I see a correlation between (a) and (b)

"Whoever thinks there is no bomb in the LCROSS really needs to wake up and smell the coffee. The LCROSS is a two ton bomb and it's going to do lots of damage." - Chovy.

Can you please explain to me where you got this information? That there is an EXPLOSIVE DEVICE rigged to DETONATE on impact? Are you just creating a conspiracy out of thin air here, or is there credible information available to say that it is in fact an explosive device and not a KINETIC device.
I want to see this information please.

[edit on 7-10-2009 by Echelon117]

Do we really need another LCROSS thread?...

Originally posted by Chovy
Ever since Nasa (national american stupid agency) decided to bomb the moon I have been constantly debating the outcome. And it's not looking good at all.

In what way is it not looking good? As I've stated in various threads already. There have been at least 47 impacts on the Moon from other man made probes and spacecrafts prior to LCROSS. And the Centaur rocket stage isn't even the biggest man made object to hit the Moon. There have been 5 S-IVB rocket stages that have impacted into the Moon. Nothing bad happened. It's equal to a bug hitting your windshield.

Don't tell me a two ton payload rigged to explode is not a bomb.

It's not "rigged to explode". It's just a spent rocket stage, no fuel, nothing. It's basically just a hunk of metal hitting a hunk of rock and kicking up debris. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

Choice: No Choice, Nasa does what it wants. Period.

No they do not. NASA has a very finite budget to work with. They have limitations. Not all proposed missions get funding. 

Cost: Why is it we spend billions on crap like this, chasing water on the moon, when we can’t (or won’t) spend the same amount here to conserve water?  Senseless stupidity.

Firstly, the mission doesn't cost billions. It's $80 million I believe. That's not that much really.

Secondly, what does NASA have to do with water conservation on Earth? That would be the responsibility of another organization as well as our own personal responsibility. Plus due to limited resources in space for astronauts, NASA has developed advanced water recycling technologies and purification systems. There's no reason that this technology can't be used on Earth.

The Unknown:  Scientists can conduct all the earth bound tests they want to.  The simple fact is there is no way of knowing what ramifications this will have on the moon and the earth.  These planets are inextricably linked.

Some simple math with show that a tiny little rocket stage will have no effect on the Moon. The Moon is much to big. As has been stated asteroids and meteors hit the Moon at much greater speeds and with much larger masses. Just look at the surface of the Moon! It's pitted with craters. The LCROSS crater will be very small.

Take a good look at the moon, it won't look the same on Saturday.

[edit on 7-10-2009 by jra]

Originally posted by Chovy
Whoever thinks there is no bomb in the LCROSS really needs to wake up and smell the coffee. The LCROSS is a two ton bomb and it's going to do lots of damage.

I'm definitely archiving this thread, then going to bring it back up after the impact. How a 2,000 kg inert projectile is going to cause 'lots of damage' to a 73,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg rock is beyond me.

We bomb our own planet with nuclear bombs and it does not alter our rotation.

There is no bomb so don't worry.

What I want to know is where is our sense of adventure?

We are going to find a planet and have a base and if the moon has water it will be the easiest one to colonize.

It is man's nature to explore.

I find it very exciting.

Um OP where do you think all those craters came from? I'll tell you. Bigger things then LCROSS has hit it. And we're still here. Calm down.

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When most people think of the noun "bomb", they think of something containing explosives.

This Centaur rocket booster has no explosives, and will be depleted of fuel, therefore it will simply be a hunk of metal -- and that's not most people's definition of "bomb".

If that is your definition of bomb, then (as ATS member jra pointed out) this is not the first time humans have "bombed" the moon -- we've done so dozens of times over the past 40 years...
...most recently India's space agency did it in 2008, China's space agency impacted its probe on the Moon in March of this year, and Japan sent Selene crashing into the Moon 5 months ago.

[edit on 10/7/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

"Originally posted by Chovy
The simple fact is there is no way of knowing what ramifications this will have on the moon and the earth. These planets are inextricably linked."

The fact that the OP thinks that the moon is a planet tells me that there are some fundamental flaws in the OP's understanding of our solar system to begin with.

Bombing of the moon isn't even a fraction of a comparison as to what a 1 meter sized meteorite can do, going at 22km/sec.

But I can agree with you Chovy on the pointless spending of this project, like on all the other projects that they do, I'll give you credit on. But NASA didn't want to tell us that the moon has full of ice already. Because well Russia and India are like.. Uhh yeah.. The moon is full of ice. Makes us look stupid, thanks NASA! (Not A Stupid Asshole)

Bleeding heart liberals really irk me. So what if they get their way and the moon isn't bombed this Friday, then what? We don't ever bomb the moon? It's ridiculous and does not make any sense. Bombing the moon will help all of us, not just some of us, wake up people!

My personal opinion is that if the mods were doing their jobs, they'd shut down all of these threads and throw the "HOAX" tag on them as anyone who's been paying attention knows that NASA is most definitely NOT "bombing" the moon, hence, every thread that says this, (About 5 so far) are indeed hoaxs. Not to mention, what ever happened to the mods closing repeat threads? There are now like 5 of these threads filled with, you guessed it, ignorance, something I understood ATS to deny......

Originally posted by Shrukin89
But NASA didn't want to tell us that the moon has full of ice already. Because well Russia and India are like.. Uhh yeah.. The moon is full of ice.

What are you talking about? NASA has been collecting evidence of Lunar ice for a long while now. The M3 instrument on board India's Chandrayaan-1 which found the water / hydroxyl is a NASA instrument.

Please get your information straight.

Thats right Zenagain.

If I was a Forum operator I would kick chovy and people like chovy off this website. Chovy is a fear mongerer, and is deliberately distorting and twisting information... And it pisses me off that people do this, because I really do try to read between the lines, and to seek out the TRUTH in situations and scenarios.

As long as people like chovy continue to spread fear and make stuff up, the real gold nugget of TRUTH will always be hidden under a giant pile of fools gold.

If there really was a danger and a possible conspiracy to LCROSS, any serious scrutiny and inquiry into the situation is lost, because some people just LOVE to twist and distort facts into something that fits their hope and fantasy of death and destruction around the corner.

There is no bomb. You are a fear mongerer.

SO... has anyone complaining about the number of threads or their content let a mod know? While they'll likely stumble across it in due course, unless you send them a alert or mention it in the ATS issues thread, they may not notice it.

Thanks Runespider, I am new here but I will do it now