American troops in Afghanistan losing heart, say army chaplains, page 1
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Topic started on 7-10-2009 @ 05:47 PM by john124
www.timesonline.co.uk...

American soldiers serving in Afghanistan are depressed and deeply disillusioned, according to the chaplains of two US battalions that have spent nine months on the front line in the war against the Taleban.

Many feel that they are risking their lives — and that colleagues have died — for a futile mission and an Afghan population that does nothing to help them, the chaplains told The Times in their makeshift chapel on this fortress-like base in a dusty, brown valley southwest of Kabul.

“The many soldiers who come to see us have a sense of futility and anger about being here. They are really in a state of depression and despair and just want to get back to their families,” said Captain Jeff Masengale, of the 10th Mountain Division’s 2-87 Infantry Battalion.

“They feel they are risking their lives for progress that’s hard to discern,” said Captain Sam Rico, of the Division’s 4-25 Field Artillery Battalion. “They are tired, strained, confused and just want to get through.” The chaplains said that they were speaking out because the men could not.


This has to be expected as the corrupt govt. now doesn't have legitimacy. How can our troops fight to support a corrupt govt. when its army is as useless? I think the British army were a bit better at winning hearts and minds in Afghan, but Brown isn't a war PM - he wouldn't increase troop numbers. And the American's have more tanks, choppers etc.

[edit on 7-10-2009 by john124]


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 08:53 PM by carewemust
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Didn't we hear these same type of stories coming from Chaplins
stationed in Iraq for several years? Maybe depression is an
emotional constant that carries across all wars.

Since the men and women in today's military are all volunteers,
you have to wonder what they thought they were getting into when
they signed on the dotted line. Perhaps the action-packed TV
commercials for the Army is what they were expecting.
-cwm


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:14 PM by Sundancer
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you have to wonder what they thought they were getting into when they signed on the dotted line.


I've heard many say they thought they signed up to fight for THEIR country and their freedom but realized once they were boots on the ground that wasn't who or what they were fighting for.

S&F for the Op.

[edit on 7-10-2009 by Sundancer]



reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:25 PM by stevegmu
reply to post by carewemust



I think it is more because they aren't allowed to win, and have a clueless commander in chief who has never served, who would rather follow the advise of civilians who have never served, than commanders in the field.


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:56 PM by carewemust
reply to post by Sundancer




In the old WWII movies, the U.S. is always liberating one country or
another from the Nazi's. It seems that liberating other countries is
what we do in every war? If we can kill a few bad guys who want to
attack the United States while we're liberating people in other countries,
so much the better.


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:02 PM by drwizardphd
Originally posted by carewemust
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post by Sundancer




In the old WWII movies, the U.S. is always liberating one country or
another from the Nazi's. It seems that liberating other countries is
what we do in every war? If we can kill a few bad guys who want to
attack the United States while we're liberating people in other countries,
so much the better.


Brilliant.


I guess it doesn't matter how many thousands of Americans lose their lives. Or how many thousands more are mentally scarred by their experiences. Or how many thousands of families are destroyed by our senseless occupation.

After all, we do it in the movies, right?




reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:07 PM by carewemust
reply to post by drwizardphd



If you don't enlist, you can't be sent into harm's way by our government.
You can stay home in your neighborhood and take your chances there.
On second thought, Afghanistan is probably safer than some US neighbor
hoods.
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