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DHS strips Arizona sheriff of authority to patrol for illegal immigrants

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posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 02:48 PM
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LOL come to AZ, and you will see my friend, it IS racial profiling , they ARE stopping people for just being Mexican. In fact they hang out in the heavy populated Mexican area of Guadalupe, and pull over EVEYONE who looks Mexican, in fact I drove through there and got pulled over because I had my bandanna on, I guess I looked a little Mexican, though I am Italian and Irish. As soon as they saw my last name was not Mexican and looked closer at me, I was let go with a warning about dressing like that and driving through there.

Bottom line they are profiling. No the question for debate is, whether you think profiling is good or bad, IF it catches criminals. The problem is it is a slippery slope and a violation of what our bill of rights stands for. Remember when the framers wrote this, there was no such thing as illegal immigration, everyone was welcome.




posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by verylowfrequency
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Sheriff Joe Arpaio belongs in an intensive management unit in a Federal Penitentiary for his crimes against humanity. I say lock the leftover fat stupid ugly NAZI Pig up and use him for medical research. I know when he dies we will all hear hallelujah vibrating in the wind and people will come from all over the world just to urinate on his grave.


[edit on 7-10-2009 by verylowfrequency]


Sounds like someone is a little angry with the sheriff. What were you arrested by him?

What are these crimes against humanity that you speak of?
The guy has been reelected as Sheriff 5 times! He has the support of the public that he serves. You don't like him because he is tough on criminals?


In 1992 Arpaio successfully campaigned to become the Sheriff of Maricopa County. Since then he has been reelected to an unprecedented five 4-year terms. During his tenure as Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arpaio has consistently earned extraordinarily high public approval ratings.

www.mcso.org...



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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You know I have no respect for a man that feeds his inmates twice a day and leaves women in sweatboxes out side in the Arizona sun TO DIE!

Sheriff Joe is a public menace and an enemy of the Constitution. THATS RIGHT SHERIFF JOE DOES NO BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION!

If he did he would not set up road blocks of any kind seeing as how they violate my freedom of movement....

He would not punish with excessive cruelty that results in peoples death.

Sheriff Joe has a lot to answer for when he gets denied entrance at the pearly gates.



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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Anyone under the false impression that this is a good guy... go here:

stoparpaio.org...

Scour that website, read everything and then tell me he's a good guy

This guy belongs in Guantanamo Bay!!!!



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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Actually 90% of illegals in this country have committed a fellony. Using a fake ID or using someone elses SS number is a federal felony. Most illegals get fake ID and give someone else SS# as a way of getting a job. Hence they are guilty of more than one crime.

Look at the number of violent crimes committed by the illegals; abductions, drug smuggling, rape. The last study I read proved they were 30 times more likely to commit a violent crime than a citizen.

Yes racial profilling is the non-pc way of doing it but sometimes we need to start protecting our borders. Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't regulate immigration.



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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i think that if you cant speak english then you should be sent back wherever you came from, but thats me.

i understand that we have no official language, but still, thats my opinion.

profiling is bad, but how do you arrest illegal latinos, without questioning latinos?

seems pretty silly to need to question white and blacks who are obviously from here to make it "fair" to arrest latinos here illegally. but i guess thats just common sense.

i have no problem with latinos at all. i have plenty of friends. guess what, they arent criminals for being here either. theres a process. i dont expect to be able to just walk into mexico and not show any papers or anything, and if i did, i would probably end up in prison there. its to be expected.

why do so many people have a problem with arresting criminals.

and yes if you broke the law to be here, what says you wont break more laws.

just think for a minute alllll the laws that are probably broken JUST to be here illegally.

forgery of federal documents
not paying taxes (which reminds me, the 15th is coming up quick)
working without proper documentation
driving without a license (or the ability to read our signs)

now we have 5 laws broken, all federal (not sure if driving without a license is, dont think it is, but anyways, you get the point).

now how can you rightly justify that these people have rights to be here, and not be harassed.

if someone broke into your house, and stole your money and belongings, wouldnt you want them punished?

tell me what the difference is, if you even can.

ooo right, the debate isnt over that....

its about some redneck cop profiling people right? how do you arrest illegals without arresting people who look like illegals.

do you who support this even think about it?

and dont give me the crap about how they are people too, they are criminals first. trust me, being a criminal isnt fun, even when its something simple like having weed on you or speeding. why shouldnt they get to enjoy that feeling like so many americans already do?



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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On that note hear is another website about the guy LINK HERE

It's all about the truth of Arpaio...

FACT He never Arrested Elvis!



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:17 PM
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I've read enough about him to know that he does more harm than good in this world. Having been tortured to near death myself by these types of NAZI's I suppose I do have reason to dislike them.

There are lots of bad politicians that get reelected for allot of reasons many of which are illusions and in his case he's popular with taxpayers for the illusion of saving money and being hard on criminals besides the fact that most people vote for who they know to keep the status quo. I don't live there so I'm not caught up in his celebrity, so my perspective is different.



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by titorite
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On that note hear is another website about the guy LINK HERE

It's all about the truth of Arpaio...

FACT He never Arrested Elvis!


thats true, AND i guess he killed a mentally-challenged man.

guess that means tough.....


the basis for arresting illegals still stands, even though this guys isnt the award winning sheriff. btw, know of any other sheriffs that dont talk bs like this guy?

my dollar is on no...



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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That doesn't sound right and I guess you noticed too, the Sheriff is elected by the people of the town or city, so actually the federal government doesn't have any control to what the Sheriff does.

So something doesn't sound right here.



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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this guy is acting like Judge Dredd and people are supporting him


amazing!

btw, many posters seem to have a reading disability

nobody is arguing not to arrest illegal immigrants

people are just arguing that this dumb sherrif should treat people as human beings, not racially profile and stop harrasing people.

only a narrow-minded view could advocate his actions
a narrow-view thinking that one day the same won't happen to them

great
history repeats itself
over and over and over and over and over again all because of a lack of education



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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Simply put, the Sheriff is the highest law enforcement official in the US, as determined by a federal judge, and he has the power to tell the feds to ____ ___.

So Sheriff Joe, let's see some muscle flexing. Toss the feds out of your county. Send them packing. Hit the trail. Etc.

Edit to add:

The Sheriff is an elected official. If his constituents do not care for him, they can easily vote him out of office. Why does he keep winning re-election if he is so terrible for the community?

[edit on 7-10-2009 by merkaba93]



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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So the biggest fascist on earth is now a victim of fascism?

Maybe the Sheriff will take on the NWO for us all now.

Or maybe we'll get lucky in another way, and they will lock him up.

..... in a pink pantied jailsuit.



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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Whether they are stopped for murder or failure to signal a lane change is irrelevant. If they're illegal, they are criminals. Send them back to their homeland.


I have no problem with the deportation issue. My issue is in the manner in which they seek them out.


Both situations have happened on multiple occasions and I was released. Had I been illegal, I would have been taken in.


Does not having your driver license make you illegal? Does not speaking English make you illegal? At what point during a stop is there evidence where somebody is legal or not?

Like I said, as long as it is Hispanics being targeted, it is no problem. But what if the sheriff were stopping white folks for probable cause that a crime was committed in hope of finding drugs?

Do you think whites would be happy they are being targeted as a whole because of a few white people who do have drugs?

I will say this people are right when they say the Fed isn't doing their job when it comes to the issue of illegal immigration. IMO, the issue has to be dealt with one way or the other.



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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I find the racial profiling argument weak on its face. Let's look at facts. If you're in a state that borders Mexico, in an area with an appreciable population of Hispanics, and most of the illegals you end up finding are Hispanic, then it's not racial profiling, it's a statistic. I'm sorry but it doesn't make sense or logical reason to go into a predominantly Hispanic area and look, for let's randomly say.. Illegal Polish immigrants.

Let's see the city-data.com breakdown:

* White Non-Hispanic (66.2%)
* Hispanic (24.8%)
* Other race (11.9%)
* Black (3.7%)
* Two or more races (2.9%)
* American Indian (2.5%)
* Chinese (0.5%)

Ok, I stand a bit corrected here. from the way it seemed painted to me, I thought the place was crawling with illegals. if its only ~25% Hispanic, I'm not totally sure of the problem, since that's 1 in 4 being Hispanic, only 25% of them are legal, that would be an alarming percentage.

For reference, here's my county:
* White Non-Hispanic (47.6%)
* Black (26.1%)
* Hispanic (19.9%)
* Other race (9.9%)
* Two or more races (2.5%)
* Asian Indian (1.3%)
* Filipino (1.0%)
* Chinese (0.9%)
* Korean (0.6%)
* American Indian (0.6%)



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

btw, many posters seem to have a reading disability


Nope we're good. Reading and writing just fine. Thanks though




Originally posted by ModernAcademianobody is arguing not to arrest illegal immigrants



Go figure illegal = arrest

whodathunk it



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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I'd say we nuke the border and see if anyone wanna cross



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 04:49 PM
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you have got to be kidding me godzilla? this man has done his job, he has fought to do the deeds of the American tax payer, bro are you some kind of fascist????? holy cow can you say the only police force soon that will have any ligitamacy will be THE AMERICAN PRIVATE POLICE, holy shizzle i need a drink!



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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Exactly is to the voters on his town to decide who gets elected obviously he is good enough for the people in the area of his voting district.

It makes me wonder then why people that are not from his voting area complaining about him, after all none of us have voting power to complain anyway.



posted on Oct, 7 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
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Exactly is to the voters on his town to decide who gets elected obviously he is good enough for the people in the area of his voting district.

It makes me wonder then why people that are not from his voting area complaining about him, after all none of us have voting power to complain anyway.


The people IN his area might like him, but that doesn't speak for all the people that DRIVE THROUGH his area. Last time I checked, Arizona's highways were federally funded; therefore, his authority can be "limited" by the federal government on Federal property.



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