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JTMA: For those of us that haven't done the level of research you clearly have we just aren't familiar with the significance of cetain dates/objects.
Lunica: Well, I dont agree with all of your statements, due to the fact you forget to take all pyramids in your explanation.
Lardo: So, basically we are looking at another disaster coming?
SC: The 'Lehner Line' concerns itself ONLY with the physical structures.
As can be seen from the presentation, this line has numerous structures connected to this line.
It is unlikely that this is the result of simple happenstance and that this line represents something significant.
SC; Interestingly, the 'Lehner Line' actually connects the same star, rotated 90*, i.e. at min and max culminations.
The circle, although closely connected with the Lehner Line, (timeline) has a different function to the timeline. The function of the circle is to present two intersection points beyond the timeline (points 1 and 4).
SC: The rate of precession is not - as I am sure you know - a precise science.
SC: I have merely demonstrated the fact that the Sphinx lines up with the midpoint of the 'Lehner Line' and show the date of this midpoint. (This could perhaps be indicating the true date of construction for the Sphinx, hence why the Sphinx is aligned to this midpoint).
SC: There are only 2 points on the circle BEYOND the timeline - points 1 & 4. The Sphinx is the most natural and obvious 'calibration point' - the 'point of origin'.
SC: Haven't yet checked the 'Lehner Line' length but quite amazingly the radius of the circle is 1200 cubits (diameter=2400) cubits. The circumference of the circle is almost exactly 155520 inches which - if we divide 155520 by 12 = 12,960. Now before you claim the AE did not know the inch it might be worth reading this:
The Gravity Cubit
SC: The 'Lehner Line' concerns itself ONLY with the physical structures.
Hans: So does your circle-didn't you earlier use the circle as an indicator of time-are you now saying there are two such indicators?
SC: As can be seen from the presentation, this line has numerous structures connected to this line.
Hans: Considering the pyramids were built in a general line that is not surprizing
SC: It is unlikely that this is the result of simple happenstance and that this line represents something significant.
Hans: Not necessarily, its just a line connecting parts of three structures ….
Hans: Why does the Lehner line touch a different queen's pyramid that the one your circle is based on?
SC; Interestingly, the 'Lehner Line' actually connects the same star, rotated 90*, i.e. at min and max culminations.
Hans: er no they connect with different satellite pyramids and the Lehner line doesn’t connect with your circle. Shouldn't they be related?
SC: The rate of precession is not - as I am sure you know - a precise science.
Hans: Really I’ve always seen a date of 25,771 for the precession – or does it change over time, if so how could a value have been placed on it? Odd that a ‘time line’ would be created to mark an imprecise time.
Hans: 5. Why is the date 3114 BC not involved? That would be a key date if your idea is correct. As would be the start and stop of the Mayan cycle before it.
SC: I have merely demonstrated the fact that the Sphinx lines up with the midpoint of the 'Lehner Line' and show the date of this midpoint. (This could perhaps be indicating the true date of construction for the Sphinx, hence why the Sphinx is aligned to this midpoint).
Hans: Wouldn’t this violate your other theory that in a dream Imhotep was given the plan for the Giza plateau? If the Sphinx was built thousands of years earlier how would they have known the plateau would be laided out ‘as you believe’ by the Egyptians in the correct order?
Hans: So to read this ‘timeline’ an observer must be able to view the plateau from an aerial view, physically or on a map.
Hans: They must somehow pick two obscure satellite pyramids and draw a line between them and then, …
Hans: …for apparently no particularly reason create lines to go to certain points along said line – from a point,
Hans: …the dream stelae that was built long after the Sphinx....
Hans: Considering you can draw lots of lines all over the plateau how would they find this particular line? – and how does this work with your earlier theory of the time being indicated by the circle?
Hans: Not really if it were natural it would be lined up directly with the invisible line. If I was making a time line I’d use a physical structure not an invisible line that depends on two of the smallest structures on the Plateau surviving. With a marker that is off the center line.
SC: Haven't yet checked the 'Lehner Line' length but quite amazingly the radius of the circle is 1200 cubits (diameter=2400) cubits. The circumference of the circle is almost exactly 155520 inches which - if we divide 155520 by 12 = 12,960. Now before you claim the AE did not know the inch it might be worth reading this:
Hans: Since a cubit can be almost anything that is why I asked for meters, so what in meters is the length of Lehners line (does it have a precise start and stop point) and your circle?
Hans: A quote from your Gravity cubit “By simply adding the height and width of the Great Pyramid together we find the value of 14,839 inches. This is an interesting figure in its own right simply by virtue of the fact that it demonstrates the key values of 148 and 39!”
Sorry Scott all that is an amazing using of numerology.
Hans: Final comment how would an unknowing observer figure this all out? I figure that was the point right?
Hans: So what happens in 2012 that the guys-who-aren't-Atlanteans wanted us to know?
Hans: If I understand your idea you are taking the Lehner line- which isn't a straight line but runs up and down the topography of the plateau.
Hans: You have assigned two circa dates to each end and suggest that with this you can arrive at picking up the Mayan date of 2012?
Hans: 1. As noted the line is a fictional one, nor does it incorporate all the main features of the plateau
2. The sighting station, the dream stelae, cannot actually see the line. If is located down slope from the 'line' and well enclosed by the forward paws of the Sphinx and the walls of the enclosure.
Hans: 3. Your dates are circa's at best but somehow they can be refined down to produce a single year? How is that done?
Hans: 4. The sighting station cannot see the line (I'd suggest you use the central pyramid - from the top of it you can shoot your black lines out-but how anyone would get there is beyond me)
Hans: 5. In this idea the end of a Mayan cycle is important but the start of the same cycle is not? Why? Also why aren't the earlier cycles also noted?
Hans: 6. Continuing on the comment above where is 3114? The Maya thought their world had re-started then - yet we know they were wrong, why would the 2012 date be significant then?
Hans: 7. The Mayan calendar evolved over time- how did the guys-who-were-not-atlanteans know it would produce that date?
Hans: 8. How does Imhoteps dream morph into a granite model?
Hans: 9. Just what where the guys-who-weren't-Atlanteans thinking, LOL
Hans: 10. The gravity thing is just pure numerology-may I suggest you do a separate thread on that amusing thing.
Hans: 11. How does this tie in with your earlier circular indicator of time?
Hans: So an imaginary uneven line that runs up and down the terrain that cannot be seen by your 'sighting station' is a source of profound knowledge??
Originally posted by Scott Creighton
reply to post by Julie Washington
Hi Julie,
JW: More description in layman's terms would be helpful.
I've put together another presentation in an attempt to illustrate what I am getting at here. I hope this makes more sense to you. At the end of the presentation (link below)there is also a small challenge if you - or anyone else here on ATS - would like to take up. 100 kudos points from me to the first person who manages to come within 100 years of the date presented (i.e. within 100 years of the answer I have).
Go on - have a go!! (Good luck).
Timeline - in Laymens Terms
Best wishes,
Scott Creighton
[edit on 8/10/2009 by Scott Creighton]
Originally posted by Aquarius1
The Fall of the Maya: 'They Did it to Themselves'
For 1200 years, the Maya dominated Central America. At their peak around 900 A.D., Maya cities teemed with more than 2,000 people per square mile -- comparable to modern Los Angeles County. Even in rural areas the Maya numbered 200 to 400 people per square mile. But suddenly, all was quiet. And the profound silence testified to one of the greatest demographic disasters in human prehistory -- the demise of the once vibrant Maya society.
www.physorg.com...
JW: ...how were these changes built into the pyramids? Did the shift happen during construction, after construction - or perhaps predicted before construction? What is your theory on that?