A group of people living in caves and ghettos with little to no water supply and electricity could never have carried out such a coordinated and
skillful operation against the world's greatest defense system, especially with the pentagon and NASA monitoring the skies and space. The official
911 story is a joke...
I am wondering why they need to send another 40000 troops to a country that has little to almost no resistance!!!
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reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 06:58 AM by Amagnon
Well - cant believe Im responding to this. Really, these are things everyone on ATS should know well.
The trade center attacks were almost certainly planned and executed by the CIA and Mossad working together.
There is a million tons of evidence to back that up - go do some research.
Afganistan has been invaded for several reasons. One is to restart the opium trade for the Rothschilds, which the taliban reduced to almost zero. The other reason is to ensure control of the area for purposes of building oil and gas lines - and also exploiting its natural resources.
Iraq was basically the same sort of thing - as are all the US wars of aggression - simply measures to enforce the globalists control over geography and resources.
Everyone should get out of Afganistan - stop killing innocent people for profit.
I highly recommend the following site for up to date non-mainstream news. www.informationclearinghouse.info...
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The trade center attacks were almost certainly planned and executed by the CIA and Mossad working together.
There is a million tons of evidence to back that up - go do some research.
Afganistan has been invaded for several reasons. One is to restart the opium trade for the Rothschilds, which the taliban reduced to almost zero. The other reason is to ensure control of the area for purposes of building oil and gas lines - and also exploiting its natural resources.
Iraq was basically the same sort of thing - as are all the US wars of aggression - simply measures to enforce the globalists control over geography and resources.
Everyone should get out of Afganistan - stop killing innocent people for profit.
I highly recommend the following site for up to date non-mainstream news. www.informationclearinghouse.info...
[edit on 7-10-2009 by Amagnon]
reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 05:17 PM by Jenna
reply to post by oozyism
Hmm... Who do I believe? I can tell you who I most certainly do not believe. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, that's who. Perhaps instead of just hunting down any and everything possible with which to put forth your anti-American nonsense you could actually look at who it is you're quoting next time.
This guy's so much of a nutcase that even the Taliban kicked him out of Kabul.
Go ahead and believe a man who made it a habit to deliberately target civilian areas during the Afghan civil war. Frankly I'd be quicker to believe in Santa Clause than to believe a word coming from that man's mouth.
Hmm... Who do I believe? I can tell you who I most certainly do not believe. Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, that's who. Perhaps instead of just hunting down any and everything possible with which to put forth your anti-American nonsense you could actually look at who it is you're quoting next time.
Afghanistan: Skeptics Urge Caution Over Purported Hekmatyar Cease-fire
It was the conservative Islamist Hekmatyar's measures that prohibited the broadcast of music from Kabul Radio and television before the rise of the Taliban. Hekmatyar also ordered women to wear strict "Islamic" dress before he and Rabbani were expelled from Kabul by the Taliban.
After the collapse of the Taliban regime in late 2001, Hekmatyar continued to wage war as a renegade figure, fighting against Afghan government and the international security forces in Afghanistan.
In 2006, Hekmatyar appeared in a video aired on the Arabic language Al-Jazeera television station and declared he wanted his forces to fight alongside Al-Qaeda.
This guy's so much of a nutcase that even the Taliban kicked him out of Kabul.
Wikipedia
From 1992 to 1996 the warring factions destroyed most of Kabul and killed thousands of people, most of them civilians during the Afghan civil war. All the different parties participated in the destruction, but Hekmatyar's group was responsible for most of the damage, because of his practice of deliberately targeting civilian areas. Hekmatyar is thought to have bombarded Kabul in retaliation for what he considered its inhabitants collaboration with the Soviets, and out of religious conviction. He once told a New York Times journalist that Afghanistan "already had one and a half million martyrs. We are ready to offer as many to establish a true Islamic Republic." His attacks also had a political objective: to undermine the Rabbani government by proving that Rabbani and Massoud were unable to protect the population.
Go ahead and believe a man who made it a habit to deliberately target civilian areas during the Afghan civil war. Frankly I'd be quicker to believe in Santa Clause than to believe a word coming from that man's mouth.
reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 05:21 PM by nenothtu
reply to post by oozyism
of course Hekmatyar is right, as far as he takes it. Problem is, he doesn't take it far enough, and completely misrepresents the reason for the war on Al-Quaeda and the Taliban.
What's a little misrepresentation and misdirection amongst friends, eh?
While what he says is so, he fails to carry it on into the realm of Al-Qaeda taking responsibility for the actions, declaring war on the US. In that matter, it matters not where the training was taken, nor the national source of the jihadists. They did what they did, and then crowed about it. They declared war on us, and now whine because we accepted the challenge.
How disingenuous.
In the matter of the Taliban, they gave aid and comfort to a declared enemy, stood shoulder to shoulder with them, and refused to give them up to justice.
When you eat at the same table, don't complain about the fare. In allying themselves with the enemies of America, they made themselves enemies too.
More's the pity. Had they not done so, and had they done the right thing and given up the braggart Al-Qaeda leadership, they could have gotten back to executing their women in the soccer stadium with impunity. America would have dealt with Al-Qaeda, and gone back to leaving the Taliban alone to terrorize their own people with nary a whimper from us.
You ARE familiar with the warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's history, aren't you?
of course Hekmatyar is right, as far as he takes it. Problem is, he doesn't take it far enough, and completely misrepresents the reason for the war on Al-Quaeda and the Taliban.
What's a little misrepresentation and misdirection amongst friends, eh?
While what he says is so, he fails to carry it on into the realm of Al-Qaeda taking responsibility for the actions, declaring war on the US. In that matter, it matters not where the training was taken, nor the national source of the jihadists. They did what they did, and then crowed about it. They declared war on us, and now whine because we accepted the challenge.
How disingenuous.
In the matter of the Taliban, they gave aid and comfort to a declared enemy, stood shoulder to shoulder with them, and refused to give them up to justice.
When you eat at the same table, don't complain about the fare. In allying themselves with the enemies of America, they made themselves enemies too.
More's the pity. Had they not done so, and had they done the right thing and given up the braggart Al-Qaeda leadership, they could have gotten back to executing their women in the soccer stadium with impunity. America would have dealt with Al-Qaeda, and gone back to leaving the Taliban alone to terrorize their own people with nary a whimper from us.
You ARE familiar with the warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's history, aren't you?
reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 06:16 PM by oozyism
reply to post by Jenna
Maybe because every speech he made he never was short in criticizing America for their idiotic policies in Muslims nations. So ofcurs it is not a good thing, and every speech he used to make he used to say death to America.
Western propaganda, demonize your enemies so everyone hates them then it makes the job easier. I would do the same to you if I was your enemy.
Anyways what does that have to do with him telling the truth or not? America has targeted civilians many times before, Iraq and Afghanistan included, so you believe them?
Plus what he said doesn't need any backing since it is true that all the supposed participants of 9/11 were raised and trained in Western countries. That being said makes the Western nations guilty for harboring terrorists. And he is right that none of them was from Afghanistan...
Maybe because every speech he made he never was short in criticizing America for their idiotic policies in Muslims nations. So ofcurs it is not a good thing, and every speech he used to make he used to say death to America.
Go ahead and believe a man who made it a habit to deliberately target civilian areas during the Afghan civil war.
Western propaganda, demonize your enemies so everyone hates them then it makes the job easier. I would do the same to you if I was your enemy.
Anyways what does that have to do with him telling the truth or not? America has targeted civilians many times before, Iraq and Afghanistan included, so you believe them?
Plus what he said doesn't need any backing since it is true that all the supposed participants of 9/11 were raised and trained in Western countries. That being said makes the Western nations guilty for harboring terrorists. And he is right that none of them was from Afghanistan...
reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 06:29 PM by oozyism
Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by oozyism
of course Hekmatyar is right, as far as he takes it. Problem is, he doesn't take it far enough, and completely misrepresents the reason for the war on Al-Quaeda and the Taliban.
OK let's see where this one goes..
What's a little misrepresentation and misdirection amongst friends, eh?
OK let's see where this one goes..
While what he says is so, he fails to carry it on into the realm of Al-Qaeda taking responsibility for the actions, declaring war on the US. In that matter, it matters not where the training was taken, nor the national source of the jihadists. They did what they did, and then crowed about it. They declared war on us, and now whine because we accepted the challenge.
OK read what OSAMA said:
"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie.
"I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act.
"Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle."
How disingenuous.
I wish I knew what that meant..
In the matter of the Taliban, they gave aid and comfort to a declared enemy, stood shoulder to shoulder with them, and refused to give them up to justice.
No they asked for evidence which links Al-Qaeda with 9/11.. then they said they would hand him over.. America refused.. America bombed a country because of Osama without any proof then "The Bush-Cheney administration promised to publicly publish the evidence against bin Laden, but the evidence against bin Laden was never actually published for the public to see."
When you eat at the same table, don't complain about the fare. In allying themselves with the enemies of America, they made themselves enemies too.
When you eat the same war propaganda for the last 8 years... ahh not worth it.
More's the pity. Had they not done so, and had they done the right thing and given up the braggart Al-Qaeda leadership, they could have gotten back to executing their women in the soccer stadium with impunity. America would have dealt with Al-Qaeda, and gone back to leaving the Taliban alone to terrorize their own people with nary a whimper from us.
Yeah then the US could have continued with its own terror by sending couple of more million of its citizens to dungeons, locked away from the society... Yeah they are afraid of the police, talk about terrorism..
You ARE familiar with the warlord Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's history, aren't you?
Are you familiar with American propaganda? Against one of its enemies?
Try again...
reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 06:30 PM by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by oozyism
You want to know about propaganda? How about you look at some of the muslim extremist propaganda? How bout you ask the UK how they feel now that so many of their OWN rights and privileges are being infringed upon because they took a casual less than firm hand with the muslim religion?
Im not saying that the muslim religion is bad, but when you dont remain aware of what is going on the extremist creep right in.
If you think for one second that the extremists and jihadist a like couldnt possibly have pulled this off then you are absolutely ignorant to the facts behind these organizations. THey are EXTREMELY well funded, do you have any idea how many private banks and charities have been busted funneling MILLIONS of dollars in funds to these terrorist organizations to fund their operations?
How bout a history lesson or two, or at least a google search on the facts before you start spouting all this inaccurate information.
You want to know about propaganda? How about you look at some of the muslim extremist propaganda? How bout you ask the UK how they feel now that so many of their OWN rights and privileges are being infringed upon because they took a casual less than firm hand with the muslim religion?
Im not saying that the muslim religion is bad, but when you dont remain aware of what is going on the extremist creep right in.
If you think for one second that the extremists and jihadist a like couldnt possibly have pulled this off then you are absolutely ignorant to the facts behind these organizations. THey are EXTREMELY well funded, do you have any idea how many private banks and charities have been busted funneling MILLIONS of dollars in funds to these terrorist organizations to fund their operations?
How bout a history lesson or two, or at least a google search on the facts before you start spouting all this inaccurate information.
reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 06:31 PM by Jenna
reply to post by oozyism
Hang on.. Was that in response to me suggesting you look at who you're quoting next time? It has all become clear to me now. I have seen the light. It doesn't matter what someone actually does, so long as they are anti-American you'll believe every word that comes out of their mouth. He could come out tomorrow saying that Santa Clause is in fact real but that he's been in hiding because Americans want to put him in jail for breaking and entering and you'd believe it just because this nutcase says so.
On the bright side, the more you post the more your agenda is made clear and the more people will realize what exactly it is you're here for.
Didn't actually check my source did you. You should. Follow the source's links to see where their information came from. It's not propoganda, it's truth. I'm sorry if it contradicts your apparent belief that this man is incapable of lying and is a saint. Reality tends to do that when it comes face to face with blind hatred.
He attacked civilians to prove the government couldn't protect them. Not the type of person I would think is worthy of being idolized. If it makes you feel better though, by all means go ahead. Just don't expect not to be called out on it.
Maybe because every speech he made he never was short in criticizing America for their idiotic policies in Muslims nations. So ofcurs it is not a good thing, and every speech he used to make he used to say death to America.
Hang on.. Was that in response to me suggesting you look at who you're quoting next time? It has all become clear to me now. I have seen the light. It doesn't matter what someone actually does, so long as they are anti-American you'll believe every word that comes out of their mouth. He could come out tomorrow saying that Santa Clause is in fact real but that he's been in hiding because Americans want to put him in jail for breaking and entering and you'd believe it just because this nutcase says so.
On the bright side, the more you post the more your agenda is made clear and the more people will realize what exactly it is you're here for.
Western propaganda, demonize your enemies so everyone hates them then it makes the job easier. I would do the same to you if I was your enemy.
Didn't actually check my source did you. You should. Follow the source's links to see where their information came from. It's not propoganda, it's truth. I'm sorry if it contradicts your apparent belief that this man is incapable of lying and is a saint. Reality tends to do that when it comes face to face with blind hatred.
He attacked civilians to prove the government couldn't protect them. Not the type of person I would think is worthy of being idolized. If it makes you feel better though, by all means go ahead. Just don't expect not to be called out on it.
reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 06:45 PM by oozyism
Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by oozyism
Hang on.. Was that in response to me suggesting you look at who you're quoting next time? It has all become clear to me now. I have seen the light. It doesn't matter what someone actually does, so long as they are anti-American you'll believe every word that comes out of their mouth. He could come out tomorrow saying that Santa Clause is in fact real but that he's been in hiding because Americans want to put him in jail for breaking and entering and you'd believe it just because this nutcase says so.
On the bright side, the more you post the more your agenda is made clear and the more people will realize what exactly it is you're here for.
LOL if had the ability to look through propaganda you would know that the truth can come from any side, even if that side is weak and doesn't have enough propagation ability to spread its own views on what happened. america in the other hand spends millions of dollars just to propagate its propaganda, so have a think, why do they need millions of dollars if it was the truth? Ofcurse if you say something over and over again people will eventually believe it, and that turned out to be true.
Just because Hekmatiyar is the enemy of the occupation/occupiers doesn't mean he is lying.
Didn't actually check my source did you. You should. Follow the source's links to see where their information came from. It's not propoganda, it's truth. I'm sorry if it contradicts your apparent belief that this man is incapable of lying and is a saint. Reality tends to do that when it comes face to face with blind hatred.
Who is your source, please enlighten me since I'm so ignorant then we will see where it goes.
He attacked civilians to prove the government couldn't protect them. Not the type of person I would think is worthy of being idolized. If it makes you feel better though, by all means go ahead. Just don't expect not to be called out on it.
Who told you that? Please enlighten me...
And the discussion was not about propaganda. If America can make its own citizens believe that a passport survived an explosion, survived many fires, and still in perfect condition with no scratches or anything (and happened to fall from within the plane which attacked the towers(after the explosion)), then you know what kind of power they have...
You are naive, you believe what you are told, you believe the world is jolly, I don't believe that, so I guess that makes you right and makes me wrong, since you believe liars who lied about the Iraq war which in consequence more than a million people died.
reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 01:39 PM by centurion1211
Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by oozyism
You want to know about propaganda? How about you look at some of the muslim extremist propaganda?
Or how about oozyism just looking in the mirror to find propaganda?
How bout you ask the UK how they feel now that so many of their OWN rights and privileges are being infringed upon because they took a casual less than firm hand with the muslim religion?
That one's easy. There must be hundreds of posts here by people from the UK complaining about muslim encroachment into their lives.
reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 06:37 PM by oozyism
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"Do you even bother to read the crap that you're quoting?? He says that the attackers were "born in the US and Europe." That is completely, 100% FALSE. 15 of the hijackers were born in Saudi Arabia. The remaining four were born in Egypt. Not a single one of them was born in Europe or the U.S."
Which one was from Afghanistan? Why didn't they invade Saudi Arabia? Why did they pack the Osama family and send them back to Saudi Arabia instead of questioning them. Don't act like you know everything, when you have no clue what modern war fare is about.
No I don't, just like I don't support the Iraq war story.
"Do you even bother to read the crap that you're quoting?? He says that the attackers were "born in the US and Europe." That is completely, 100% FALSE. 15 of the hijackers were born in Saudi Arabia. The remaining four were born in Egypt. Not a single one of them was born in Europe or the U.S."
Which one was from Afghanistan? Why didn't they invade Saudi Arabia? Why did they pack the Osama family and send them back to Saudi Arabia instead of questioning them. Don't act like you know everything, when you have no clue what modern war fare is about.
The bottom line is that the group responsible for the 9/11 attacks (if you support the official story) is/was headquartered in Afghanistan.
No I don't, just like I don't support the Iraq war story.
reply posted on 18-10-2009 @ 05:52 AM by oozyism
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