Pakistan getting paid to (kill its own people), page 2
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reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:07 PM by oozyism
Originally posted by stevegmu
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What's the problem here, other than giving them anything? If they are going to get money, they better rack up the body count of Talibani and Al-Qaeda. Why else would we help them?

Then why do you cry when Al-Qaeda and Taliban start war against Americans? Wouldn't that give them more reasons to kill innocent Americans since America is paying Pakistan to kill Pakistanis?


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:15 PM by SLAYER69
Originally posted by oozyism
Then why do you cry when Al-Qaeda and Taliban start war against Americans? Wouldn't that give them more reasons to kill innocent Americans since America is paying Pakistan to kill Pakistanis?



Those Pakistani/Taliban are waging a war against the Governments and civilians of Afghanistan, Pakistan and the US/West. The Innocent civilians on the other hand are not waging a war against them.

Did you hear that?

Huh?

Must have been a brain fart or your logic taking a dump.

SWAT VALLEY, Pakistan, Oct. 7, 2009
Taliban Threat to Pakistan's Stability?
For years the Pakistani government has allowed extremists to live along its borders, but it was only when the Taliban took over this once popular tourist valley that people suddenly started to realize the stability of their entire country was being threatened.

In May 30,000 troops retook the Valley but the Taliban's advance into Pakistani heartland was shocking - particularly because this is a country that has some 80 nuclear weapons, and has conducted successful underground tests.

"I can assure you with full assurance, there is no danger at all," said Pakistan Interior Minister Rehman Malik.




[edit on 7-10-2009 by SLAYER69]


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:28 PM by December_Rain
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They knew it all along what the terrorists are doing. Do you actually beleive the Pakistani politicians and millitary would be so naive? Instead of sending more funds thru govt. funds should be directed thru independent bodies.



reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:37 PM by SLAYER69
Originally posted by December_Rain
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post by SLAYER69


They knew it all along what the terrorists are doing. Do you actually beleive the Pakistani politicians and millitary would be so naive?



I never said they were. What does that have to do with them taking the fight to the Taliban on their side of the border in 2009?

Nothing.

If they continue to engage and fight the Taliban more power to them.


[edit on 7-10-2009 by SLAYER69]


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:41 PM by stevegmu
reply to post by oozyism



What twisted form of logic are you using? The Pakistani government is going to get incentives to kill terrorists, not innocent civilians.
Americans kill Americans all the time, yet still not often enough. I don't cry about that; in fact I agree with it, and welcome more. It's called the death penalty.


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:04 PM by December_Rain
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You are wrong, it has been proved many times before how US funds were "diverted" by the "GOVT" & "ISI" to support the terrorists instead of taking action against them. Why do you think the US bill that passed this "aid" specifically mentioned "The legislation also says Pakistan must show progress in ending support for terrorist groups, and dismantle groups operating out of Quetta and Muridke.". Because time and again it's a known "fact" that did not happen.


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:04 PM by jam321
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If they were going to Afghanistan then the American invaders have the right to fight them.


Don't like the invader part, but at least you now acknowledge that the US has the RIGHT to fight the enemy.





reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:07 PM by December_Rain
Also this just broke out an hour ago:

Pakistan's military rejects US aid bill

There ya go, Pakistan Millitary will refuse to stop supporting Taliban, Al Qaeda, Lashkar e Taiba and other terrorist groups no matter what happens because they gave birth to it forgot to add by US funding.

[edit on 7-10-2009 by December_Rain]


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:09 PM by SLAYER69
Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to
post by SLAYER69



You are wrong, it has been proved many times before how US funds were "diverted" by the "GOVT" & "ISI" to support the terrorists instead of taking action against them. Why do you think the US bill that passed this "aid" specifically mentioned "The legislation also says Pakistan must show progress in ending support for terrorist groups, and dismantle groups operating out of Quetta and Muridke.". Because time and again it's a known "fact" that did not happen.


How am I wrong about something I never stated or defended?
Too many people around here make too many assumptions.





reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:12 PM by December_Rain
reply to post by SLAYER69




If they continue to engage and fight the Taliban more power to them.


I spoke in context of this sentence. They will not fight Taliban, it's an eyewash.


reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:30 PM by SLAYER69
reply to post by December_Rain



OK so just exactly who have they been fighting for the past 5 months in SWAT?
Senior Fazlullah aide killed in Swat
MINGORA: Security forces killed a senior aide to Swat Taliban leader Fazlullah on Wednesday as troops killed five Taliban in the valley in the ongoing military offensive in the valley, said military officials.


Pakistan: Troops kill 9 militants in Swat
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Pakistani security forces killed nine militants, including two commanders, in weekend battles in the northwestern Swat Valley, the military said Sunday.

Pakistan has largely beaten back a Taliban insurgency in Swat in recent months and intelligence officials say the country is preparing a major offensive against al-Qaida and Taliban in their stronghold in South Waziristan.


Long war against Pakistan Taliban
Pakistan's security forces appear to have achieved their main objective in Swat with the capture of its administrative seat of Mingora.

That region and the rest of the Malakand division now seem to be under the control of the Pakistan army.

Some fighting is still going on in the mountainous rural areas - especially the Peochar valley, the militants' main stronghold.




reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:32 PM by oozyism
Originally posted by jam321
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post by oozyism



If they were going to Afghanistan then the American invaders have the right to fight them.


Don't like the invader part, but at least you now acknowledge that the US has the RIGHT to fight the enemy.


But at least you now acknowledge that the enemy has the RIGHT to fight the invaders.




reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:41 PM by jam321
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But at least you now acknowledge that the enemy has the RIGHT to fight the invaders.


Good one oozy except for the fact that I have always given them the right to fight the US in Afghanistan.

Better there than Here.

OK, let's suppose your theory is correct. Pakistan is getting paid to kill there own if they accept the aid.

Why would Pakistan accept this aid under such conditions? Are they really that desperate for a mere 1.5 billion a year?

You mean to tell me that Pakistan could not turn to other Muslim countries to help replace the US aid if they turned it down?
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