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reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 01:11 PM by articulus

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As a Montana native and resident, I can inform you that there is already such a society that has been born naturally here, and likely exists in similar forms across the country in small, rural communities. If I shoot an elk this fall, I will share the meat with my friends and family. Since I live in the forest, I'm able to provide them with firewood. And I like to throw parties, where all are invited and are not required to bring anything. They, in turn, provide me with other goods and services; my friends who bartend will give me a few beers on the house, someone may bring me a pot of stew, or give me a massage. My neighbor is at this very moment graveling a mile of my road at no charge, because he is allowed to live on my property rent-free. These are just a few examples. This sort of economy underlies the one based on currency, and is how many people around here are able to get by and live comfortably, despite the area's high rates of unemployment and "poverty."

And while many might think of Montana as filled with "conservatives" and "rednecks," people here are ultimately pragmatic. Living close to nature and far from the convenience and services of the cities forces one to adapt, and some of my friends who are die-hard political conservatives recognize better than most urban liberals the need for sustainability in construction and transport, and are quite good at puttting new technologies and techniques into practice.

Having said that, we like Montana the way it is, so please, don't build your city here.

edit: to add, this is not a recent development. American Indians lived this way here for a long, long time, and when Europeans began settling here, they adopted a rather similar lifestyle, shrouded in the trappings of "civilization." I think it is simply a natural consequence of living where we do, and of the mentality of the people who choose to live in such a place.

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reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 01:16 PM by Tryptych

reply to post by Alethea

Good points, although pretty negative post.

As we speak, I'm having my window open and there are a couple of mouthbreathers acting like damn monkeys on the street. This is constant. Around here, seems like AT LEAST 50% of people are incredibly miserable, suffering from some sort of mental health problem. The "normal", stable people sometimes seem like a minority.

It is because masses are not aware what the media is doing to them, constantly making them act more clownish, ignorant and moronic.

Maybe it would be a solution to wipe out 80% off this planet. Not that I'm saying that there actually is a plan like that.

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 01:25 PM by Mindmelding

Excellent post.

Yes, it's already happening, society is polarizing, the good people of the earth are countering the malignant influence of the psychopathocracy. We are in a race between education and tragedy, the UN world military is thought up to protect the elites from this very scenario, the emancipation of city states. So either these start popping up soon or we will likely fall into tyranny for a long long time.

My bet is we'll break the cycle though, the internet has broken the elites global mind control and that is breaking their ability to institute repressive political states.

Everyone should indeed focus on the local scenario, as the key to breaking the NWO is to take control of one's own life and to be a positive influence on one's own community. If humanity as a whole, in an organic way, becomes better, the NWO falls, sinking into the quicksand of it's own evil. If we don't wake up and become better the NWO still sinks, but we go with it. Simple as that.

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reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 01:35 PM by HiAliens

Originally posted by Night Star
What an informative and enlightening thread! Though most of us would be able to contribute in some way or another, I was wondering how would our elderly and disabled be cared for? Or would that be part of the responsibility of these communities? Think I answered my own question.

It's one of the things I hadn't thought about too much but it all starts from the self-sustaining house....you wouldn't need to spend loads of money on them. And yes, carer for the elderly could be a job.

The more fit elderly could actually feel useful and productive by helping out on city farms. It's pretty easy to do. I'm just talking about spraying and cutting plants a few hours a week.

This thread is brilliant and something people have wanted or thought about for some time. I fear the elite would crush these plans as quickly as possible. How would people be able to keep these communities??? That would have to be dealt with in some way.

Actually there are tons of smaller scale projects like this all over the world right now. The elite are too busy trying to save their crumbling system. Have a look at some of the projects going on in Asia.

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 01:43 PM by way I man

reply to post by HiAliens

Tinker's Bubble is a great example of a simple living community. In contrast to their upper-class neighbors with their huge houses and manicured gardens, the community uses just the resources they need. Formed in 1994 by a group of people with similar ideas of living off the land, there are now twelve adults and four children living under the trees on top of the hill. Owned by a cooperative the land consists 40 acres of woodland, pastures, and apple orchards. We learned of them by word of mouth, as they don't have their own website and they are not listed in the usual community directories.

Low-impact living is the major idea of this community. This is easily seen when visiting. For one, they have strict principals of not using fossil fuels. They cook on a wood stove or over an open fire, use wind and solar energy for light, and have a huge steam-powered locomotive engine, which operates in a straw-bale barn (for noise insulation), where they mill trees from their land. For their farm work and any heavy moving, they have a Shire horse, named Samson, who when not working grazes in the apple orchards.

A second aspect of their low-impact living is their dwellings. Like at Steward Wood most live in self-built benders, though the longer they stay the more strawbale and cob walls replace the cloth. The main communal building houses the kitchen (though the pots and dishes and sink are outside to save space) and a communal sitting area and loft. It is a beautiful building built with their own milled timber and thatched with recycled reeds (from a local house). Their one other communal building is the bathhouse that houses a bathtub and a wood-fired water tank where many also do their laundry. Only one member had built a permanent house, also with their own timber and thatched with self-grown wheat.

A third aspect of their low-impact living is what they eat. Almost all of their produce is grown organically in their gardens, with the remaining grains and nuts coming from a bulk organic distributor. There is also one cow from who's milk they make yoghurt and cheese. They buy their bread daily from a local store.

Though the land is cooperatively owned, they do not share income, so everyone has to figure out their own means. They have to contribute around 20 pounds ($30) a week for the communal expenses, which include food. In addition to these expenses everyone commits to one and a half days of communal work per week (gardening, woodland work, building management, etc.) and one rotational "domestic" day when they wash dishes, do communal house cleaning, and cook (vegetarian) dinner for everyone. Because their weekly living expenses are so low they can easily earn this in one day's work. Many of them spend one day a week working on an organic market farm/store that a former member has started. Others work in offices of local non-profits. Others grow veggies or make crafts to sell at the weekly Farmer's Market in Glastonbury. In the winter there is often enough paid work for everyone on their own land. There is apple harvesting and juice pressing and woodland management including coppicing work and timber milling year-round. During our visit we worked mostly in the gardens, weeding and planting, even through the driving rain.

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reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 02:03 PM by Tryptych

Originally posted by chuckk
The solution is capitalism, whether with cash or barder. For the lazy, then they can starve and we need to be okay with that. I am. End the socialism.

Maybe it is YOU that should be put in a situation with no money and let YOU starve.

Jesus.

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 02:23 PM by akoola111

I love this post, where do we sign up? I'm tired of living in this current paradigm. I'm tired of having over 3k a month in just bills, I'm tired of working 7 days a week, I'm tired of seeing my family only a few hours a day. People were not meant to live like this. Breaking their backs killing themselves just so maybe in 30 years they can say i have this little house but by then everything else is so expensive and social security and retirement is just no enough.Then they die like slaves but not before they give all their money away for chemo therapy or hospice that costs 8k a month.

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 03:15 PM by Zenlike

If there was such a community I would join in a heartbeat. I am sick and tired of the status quo with this screwed up system we live in. Star and flag, awesome post with a great deal of effort thank you.

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 04:30 PM by 2theC

reply to post by HiAliens

Great idea and it could work

however one thing is missing

Love .
there must be an abundance of Love to fix the problems the humans will face in not stepping backwards again. maybe its in the thoughts, but it needs to be in the actions of every citizen of these new cities.

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 05:40 PM by The Transhumanist

Excellent post. This is exactly the kind of radical thinking we need. People are always criticizing ideas like this as being too idealistic. If anything, it's too practical. My only suggestions would be considering a resource based economy and a technocratic form of government (ie the best doctors and surgeons govern health care and social policy is decided by political scientists and political philosophers.)

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 07:14 PM by Handerreder

I love posts like these! I so want to bring this to life soon.. I'm tired of the corrupt system as it is.. I've thought about things like this for a good while now, but where I live, most people lives with their heads up their ass... They just don't give a damn.. Just want to keep on with their massconsuming lives. I've tried to express my views and ideas, only to find myself being ridiculed.. Even by my closest friends.. Makes it hard to have an alternate view, but I'm optimistic and think that things workout for everyone in the end!

I think cities like this really are the answer, and would love to live in one of these! I'd be glad to work for free as a DJ whenever people would want me, as I love bringing people the joy of music and dancing! I'm now educating myself to be a genetic scientists with a specialization on conservation of wildlife.. I think this is important too, as the wildlife we have now is slowly disappearing.. Just think about the tigers! 100 000 roamed freely in Asia 100 years ago.. Now there's only 5000 left.. There's not only humanity who must get back on it's feet, but the whole nature itself after what we have done to it! But first we must awaken and be aware of the world around us and who WE are in the big picture!

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 08:31 PM by Tryptych

I'd be glad to work for free as a DJ whenever people would want me

Hehe, you and 10mil. youngsters across the globe

Seriously 'tho: really, really good music is made with huge passion. All those great albums were made by obsessive geniuses who had a great vision what they were doing. Never they were made by sloppy hobbyists.

I think all the great albums are worlds, very similar to movies, where you can visit simply just turning on the album.
I hate it when true creativity and MUSIC itself is sliding towards this Guitar Hero-BS.

Kinda offtopic, but this thread was also about free concerts, right?

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:04 PM by LordBucket

reply to post by HiAliens

Where do you live, OP?

$16,000 for 35 acres in Montana

$1600 for your atmospheric water generator

Rammed earth construction is cheap, and requires only labor, forms and proper sand/clay ratios.

Anyone could do what you're describing. Why not gather together some like-minded people and actually do it?

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:30 PM by NOTurTypical

reply to post by HiAliens

Well, yeah since those 'biblical guys' predicted it with near perfect accuracy 2,000 years ago. Right down to the Gog Magog war (Iran Russia Israel WWIII) that will directly precede it.

I like how John also saw the Mark of the Beast (RFID Chip), being mandated in every person's right hand or forehead and that no one could buy or sell lest he have the Mark. (Global cash-free society).

7 years, or to be exact 2,520 days it will last.

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 09:46 PM by Alethea

You all don't even realize that what Orly is describing is the carrot on the stick for the new world order.

No one will be allowed to own private property. You will all live in a compound of sorts..."smart cities" or something of that nature. Your work, whatever it is will be within walking distance. No vehicles. Green living.

Your children will be taken away to an education facility where they will live and be educated "properly". That will solve all the problems of neglect and abuse in the home.

A doctors time will be no more valuable than a ditchdiggers. Equal credit for equal hours worked.

In the meantime, in order for this to come to fruition, people will have to be removed from their homes; heavily penalized for using outdated technology like AC; people who have substandard housing will be sent to live on the streets (homes will be bulldozed) or be encouraged to become dependent on the interfaith charities. (Soon people will be screened. "Chronic" homeless/jobless will not be allowed)

The Noahide laws will come into effect. The Seven Steps to Justice will be implemented.

It all looks good on paper. But it will also be controlled and regulated. You may have a nice little world, but less freedom than you realize. For all you get, you must give up something else.

In the end, corporations will change their names and umbrellas; they will own the land where you live and work for them. They will set the standards of trade or barter. Everything will be heavily regulated. They will still get their cut. You will still be in slavery. Same game; different face.

Everyone will be chipped so you know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. Nevermind the criteria may change. Speaking against the New System for any reason could make you a bad guy.

Don't ever think you will have your own patch of land and your family. That is what you will be giving up for this fantasy.

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 10:29 PM by nvprose1

isnt this already called the Venus Project, started by social designer Jacque Fresco?

www.thevenusproject.com...

reply posted on 7-10-2009 @ 11:55 PM by antithesis.

Great write up, I look forward to living in a type of city such as this. Once the NWO order falls and free energy devices are brought into the mainstream we can finally have the life we have been deprived of.

I'm sure you know of the 'Venus Project'? you should check that out as well. It is a visionary designers view of what physicists call a 'Type 1' society.

*Just saw the guy above me posted a link to the Venus Project.

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reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 12:23 AM by HiAliens

My idea is different from the Venus project in that people outright own their own homes and there is a free-market economy. There is no centralised control and minimal government. Contrary to what Alethea says the whole point of the project is total individual freedom and sovereignty.

LordBucket,
Good points, yes, I agree its possible to start small. But I would like to get many people motivated so that's why Im making a film.

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reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 12:49 AM by chiron613

I love the idea of a "Type 1" civilization. I don't see that this is going to happen any time soon, unfortunately. It's a great ideal to shoot for, but it's a long way off.

As for NWO falling because of its lies, not really. As most students of history can observe, *every* civilization or structure eventually falls. It's got nothing to do with truth or lies, and everything to do with the world being an imperfect place where nothing lasts forever.

Even the Pyramids are eroding. Some day, they'll also be gone.

reply posted on 8-10-2009 @ 12:49 AM by antithesis.

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I think in a type of society like this we would need to do away with the idea of buying and selling goods. It is no different from the way things are now.

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