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posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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Ever since I was a young child, I was dragged around the world from cemetery to cemetery being shown the graves of my ancestors. At my Coming of Age I was charged with committing my family history on both sides for 13 generations to memory. I always knew that we came from an old, proud familial line that passed it's knowledge down from generation to generation. I was even named after my ancestors, just as I have named my own daughter after her ancient ancestors. Despite the passing of time, the one thing that hasn't apparently changed over the course of millennium is our family's idealistic nature.

My mother was granted the role of Chronicler from her maternal lineage. She took her duties seriously and cataloged the works of her predecessors and prepared to pass it down to my sister. When it became clear that my sister would not be suitable to fulfill that role, those duties fell upon me to hold in trust, to pass on to a suitable candidate from her descendants. It was then that I was given the oral secrets that had been passed down through my family.

Some were shameful secrets, some were amazing tales that if I had not been able to verify through research I would have thought to be entirely works of fancy. Some secrets were personal, and some pertained to the history of nations at large which told a different tale than the one told in history books. Most of those secrets I will not share here, but there is one that I will, because it poses a moral quandary which I wish to consult for advice.

My family is descended from the Celtic Gauls. We were once Brithem, land-less Lords who were wandering judges of the land. They were not allowed to hold deed, land, or property to ensure that they would remain idealistic and incorruptible. Due to this incorruptibility we were able to rebuke Kings and royalty without reprimand.

When Rome began subjugating the Celtic lands and the Church of Rome began converting them to Christianity, they appointed puppet-Kings who were supposedly chosen by the hand of God himself, and therefore beyond the reproach of the Brithem. However, at the time, the Brithem were the least of the worries of either the Church or their puppet-Kings, as they were busy systematically levying Crusades against the descendants of the noble lines of the Celtic Ri. It wasn't until the late 11th century that the persecution against the Brithem began.

Due to the idealistic nature of the Brithem, the Church and their puppet-Kings found that persecution did not deter the Brithem. The last recourse was to discredit the Brithem amongst the people by making them appear less than incorruptible to the Celtic peoples who still consulted them on legal and religious matters. So, one of my ancestors during the Crusades was granted an appointment over a military installation, being bequeathed a title and deed, making him no longer a land-less Lord but a Lord like all the others. He, and his descendants carried the name of that military installation in shame ever since, although they have remained true to the ideals of their family line.

The other lines of Brithem continued, although the respect they once carried among the people, and their sacred duty to oversee that even Kings did not upset the scales of Justice was lost, and English and Franco law was established.

My direct maternal line is Brithem, and my direct paternal line is of the particular Brithem that took a military appointment in the 12th century.

We have always arisen when the need arises to speak out for Justice. One of my direct line was the only one to speak out against the Salem Witch Trials. One of my direct line was the only one to intervene against the United States government after the assassination of a United States President.

Those in both my familial lines are granted a Birthright and charged with a solemn duty to ensure that no one tips the scales of Justice to either side, and that no person acts beyond the law, not even a King, or a President, or a government official.

Ever since I was young I was always taught never to compromise my ideals, to remain true to myself, to be fair in my dealings with others, and noble in heart, mind and deed, and to never hold my tongue or not act upon witnessing an injustice. I have raised my daughter to do likewise.

However, to what extent should one carry the ancient duties of their ancestors?

In our social and political climate injustice is everywhere.

It is far more than one family line, let alone one individual can bear to carry.

If I am to sacrifice myself for the sake of ensuring that Justice be upheld, and the scales be returned to balance, to where should I focus my energies to do such?

Until now, I have satisfied myself by living by example while I raised my daughter in the way of our family traditions. Even though she is not yet entirely grown, she is about to Come of Age (13), and has been prepared to know our customs, traditions and has successfully come to represent the ideals of my family and our ancestors. She will take up the mantle of Chronicler, just as I had, and hold it in trust for her cousins until they are ready to assume that role. As such, knowing that this legacy will continue to be passed down, I am ready to turn my full attention towards fulfilling my role in a greater sense for more than just my family, but for the betterment of humanity as we had done through the Ages.

However, it is an understatement to say that I feel daunted with this task and pulled in too many directions at once.

If you were me, where would you turn the focus of your attentions? To what injustices would you seek to devote your life to remedy or undo?




posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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wow, so I guess adopting a dog just won't do. You have quite an ambitious future. If I were to offer any suggestions, it would be to find a way to educate the masses with truth instead of manufactured information. most folks get their news from the MSM and only one station at that. So they only get the part they are supposed to get. We have such a convoluted idea of reality because of this quandary. Fix that, and you have a great start in my opinion.

The real truth I speak of is the fact that most people don't want to go to war with anybody. The Iranians aren't chomping at the bit to be destroyed, and US soldiers will do what they are told, but would like to be told to train at home rather than fight and kill in other countries. War is stupid and killing is even stupider. Arm wrestling, now there is a way to find a winner and a looser.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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That's a very interesting question...what does your heart tell you? I imagine you have a shortlist of things to choose from...if so would you share them with me?

On a side note, I think this is a question that everyone should be asking themselves regardless of lineage...certainly in my opinion people shouldn't need a reason to actively end injustice other than moral imperative. I.e. if it's the right thing to do, what more reason do you need?

What I would caution you to do, regardless of the task you eventually set yourself, is to ensure that your actions cause no harm. If you are thinking of hurting someone or some group of people, then you are not making things better, you're only replacing one wrong with another.

Thanks for posting, I think this is a really interesting topic.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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Interesting. Both of my grandfathers were masons. One a is a WWII vet (pilot), he has Alzheimer's, his wife (my grandmother) passed away since I last saw her about 5 years ago. My grandfather told me about a place he visited in Greenland or somewhere around there during the war and told me some things about it. But then he asked me if I was his father. As far as I know I am not so I answered no, but who knows?

My other grandfather was a mason also, he tried to get my dad to join I believe but my father never joined. My Grandmother used to work for the AF in Roswell, NM I believe, but she never talks to me about that.

Other than that I have only been able to track my lineage back before Ellis Island, so I conclude that I have no idea where I am from, but I am scottish, Irish and Welsh!

Anyways thanks for sharing. Pretty interesting stuff. I have lately become interested into looking into it further. I believe that most of my families secrets have been lost.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by ImplausibleDeniability
What I would caution you to do, regardless of the task you eventually set yourself, is to ensure that your actions cause no harm. If you are thinking of hurting someone or some group of people, then you are not making things better, you're only replacing one wrong with another.


Of that you can be certain. I was taught to defend unto death those who are unable to defend themselves; the young, the elderly, and the infirm, however, I was also taught to consider all life to be both sacred and fragile, never tainting myself with blood on my hands for any other reason.

It is not in my nature to seek harm, either direct or indirect, to another, but to alleviate suffering.

Just because my family lines were charged with ensuring the balance of Justice and could rebuke even Kings that acted above the Law, doesn't mean that my family believes it is above those Laws either. In order to uphold Justice we must adhere strictly to Justice as well, both in the order of Natural Law and the Laws of Man.

As such, there was no subtle insinuation of any retributive action of violence against those who bring injustice intended in my post.

However, there is no harm in another clarifying such either.
And for that I thank you.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
wow, so I guess adopting a dog just won't do.


Alas, neither a cat would be enough either.



Originally posted by network dude
You have quite an ambitious future. If I were to offer any suggestions, it would be to find a way to educate the masses with truth instead of manufactured information.

War is stupid and killing is even stupider. Arm wrestling, now there is a way to find a winner and a looser.


In modern times, many of my family have gone off to become lawyers, or have served more peaceful roles in the Military (my father worked Military Intelligence as a Diplomatic Liaison to the French Foreign Legion and my grandfather was a Radio Expert that later monitored foreign Satellites for the DoD). One of my ancestors became a General in a very bloody war, but only did so to ensure minimal loss of life on both sides and to ensure that the side he chose to lead, which was diametrical to his personal beliefs, actually lost the war.

Personally, neither law nor military, nor even politics, appeal to my disposition.

Spreading truth by education seems a bit more appealing. We all have ways in which we can contribute to society and perform our Civil Duties (which after one has raised a family is the next natural expression of our lives). However, one of the best ways I have seen to do such is not in a Court, or on a Battlefield, or even in Seats of Governmental Power, but in writing.

Who has wielded more influence over Civilization, Plato or Dick Cheney? Does our Commander in Chief hold more influence over the course of mankind than Descartes? Will any Supreme Court Judge carry the same clout that a single solitary quote from Shakespeare can?

Authorship seems to be the best way of achieving any end that is beyond the immediacy of the here and now. The pen truly is mightier than the sword and only those who are enslaved will ever be foolish to think otherwise.

Lifting the veil of disinformation and the promulgation of Truth is not so easily done. For every prophet of Truth there will be a legion of pundits and critics. Truth should be self-evident, but in the confusion of voices that cry out against it, it becomes muddled and suspect to skeptical minds that are accustomed to questioning everything.

However, the United States alone is renown for it's war-mongering in modern times. Perhaps putting an end to senseless wars waged by but one nation for the sake of political gain, and corporate fiscal gain, would be a cause far more noble than most.

I may just take your advice on that.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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I would have to agree with network dude. Countering the effects of the propaganda we are subjected to is the most important thing. I see so much left vs right, democrat vs republican, socialist vs capitalist and the combatants do not realize the fight is those who would enslave vs the future slaves.

As far as I can tell they use socialism, religion, concern for your fellow man, concern for the environment - anything to manipulate people. Very few bother to look behind the issue they wave in front of us like a red cape, to see the Matador with the sword posed for the kill.

Also TPTB are careful enough to pose laws with enough goodies attached that they get passed and later those bills some how are transposed into something evil. The original Federal Reserve Act had some good provisions, after over a 100 amendments not one of the decent provisions remain and no checks on the power of the Central bankers.

Unfortunately once enacted laws are seldom repealed and no one pays attention to amendments that change laws for the worse.


To tell the truth I feel like we are watching Rome burn while Nero (Obama) fiddles. I told my then fiancee over 25 years ago I thought the United States was on her last legs. I have seen nothing since to change my opinion.





posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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Wow. My ancestors were pretty much just drunks.

So much to digest in your Op, Frat.

What a blessing to care enough about yourself and your child and your ancestors to work to preserve the stories and ideals.

What a tremendous burden to carry as well. It makes me wonder how many would change their lives if they knew the ideals of their ancestors. It seems too easy to focus on me, right now. Much easier than learning about what my family stood for. For some of us, I don't think we really WANT to know what our families stood for.


I don't want to derail anything, my friend, but I am very curious how receptive your child has been to her place in this story and if she has been rebellious about her role in your family's lineage. How about you? Was there a time when you didn't want the responsibility?

One more question...(for now) do you ever see it as more of a burden than a privilege? Have you ever just wanted to walk away from it all?

I think you'll know exactly what it is you are called to do at the precise moment it presents itself to you, my friend.



Thank you very much for sharing this with us.







posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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"Secret Birthright"??!!
What arrogance!

Here is what the scriptures have to say about "your kind".



Tell them not to spend their time on stories that are not true and on long lists of names in family histories. These things only bring arguments; they do not help God's work, which is done in faith.

1 Timothy 1:4



The reason your 'special bloodline' does not own deeds and property is probably because they are supported by the Illuminati upline. Sounds a bit like the tribe of the Leviathan.

I went back and read some of your posts.
I notice you congratulate the secret societies for "all the good work" they do.

Jesus said to let your good works be done in secret and not for the public applause of man. Seems some of these groups got it backwards. But then, sometimes people blow their horn loudly to point to their good works in order to cover up the evil they do in secret. They think it will keep them above suspicion.


I also noticed that you uphold the rights of the Scientology cult ( which, incidentally, was born out of mind control research at Stanford) to continue these evil techniques on people. Many of these religious cults have caused much psychological harm to people as well as pursuing individuals with threats and harassment once they leave the evil clutches of the group.


You come on here and arrogantly propose to be some kind of "one man super hero of justice" as the legacy of your most superior bloodline. pffft.

True justice requires a spiritual knowledge that can only be evidenced by appreciation and pursuit of truth. I don't see this coming from you.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by KSPigpen
I am very curious how receptive your child has been to her place in this story and if she has been rebellious about her role in your family's lineage. How about you? Was there a time when you didn't want the responsibility?

One more question...(for now) do you ever see it as more of a burden than a privilege? Have you ever just wanted to walk away from it all?


Because it is something we are raised with and shown by example by our family, it is something that becomes very much an intrinsic part of who we are. As I have only had Joint-Custody of my daughter for the past 7 years, I was concerned that my daughter would be torn between how her mother lives and how I and my family have lived. It surprised me to see that she developed along the same lines as my family. (We jokingly say that we have Klingon blood because it burns hot, both euphorically and physically, and it shows in how ferociously intense and strong-willed we are in holding to our ideals.)

I have never told my daughter what to chose, or what to believe. I have left her free to discover and determine those things for herself. However, when you raise a child with freedom and provide them with the tools to make decisions on their own while living a morally outstanding life yourself to be as a living example, you'll find that the fruit doesn't fall far from the Family Tree.

She takes absolute pride in her name. She knows the heritage of her first name, and although it boggles Westerners and no one we have ever met can pronounce it even though it is only three letters long, she prides herself on the fact that it hasn't been used for over 1600 years, and what it represents. She also cherishes her familial heritage, refusing to allow her mother to change her surname to her's. She regards the stories of my family as more personal mythology than real, but as she is beginning to learn of some of her ancestors in History class, it is taking on a new dimension for her.

When I was her age the practice of memorizing 13 generations on both sides of the family when one prepares to Come of Age was something that I personally despised and found burdensome. As my daughter is preparing for her's she is of the same sentiment. However, I found as I got older that this was a useful thing, as it does give one a psychological connection to the legacy of their family's past.

The pro tempore role of Chronicler was a burden. Carting around boxloads of documents, family trees, historical photos and etchings all these years while keeping them carefully preserved for future generations has been cumbersome. I have had the skills to allow me to digitize them, along with having studied Paleography and Archaeology I have had the ability to better research much of it and put a good part of it into historical context better. It was certainly an additional project in my life that I could have done without, but it has made the legacy far more personal for me though.

The responsibility of upholding that legacy seems far more natural than one would think, however. Holding firm to those ideals and living that way isn't something that one must try to do, it becomes who you are and how you are defined, to where doing it becomes as natural as breathing.

When I was growing up I was boggled when strangers would call my father in the middle of the night to mediate a dispute between two Vietnamese families. At first I thought it was because my father spoke Vietnamese, but when two Greek families asked my father to mediate a dispute over which family was financially responsible for what in a wedding, I began to understand that it was something beyond his language skills. Wherever we would go people would seek my father's advice. What I mistook as charisma I eventually learned was a respect and reverence people had for his advice and opinions, and even more so was their willingness to accept his advice and follow it.

It wasn't until I got older, after my daughter was born, and I started accumulating a "Teenage Fan Club" did I begin to understand. Although I had considered myself to not have even a fraction of the charisma my father had, nor have I been a very social person, as I helped people around me I began to gather a flock of people around me seeking my help and advice until the point that the flow of people coming to me to ask for solutions to their problems seemed to never end. Through word of mouth just my name alone garners the trust of people in my community. It was then that I began to realize that it had nothing to do with charisma, but with something within my being that resonated within others and shone through even though I, nor no one around me, could see it.

Although there have been times I've had to go "turtle" and become a hermit for a short while to regain my direction and reset my personal boundaries, or to keep from getting more involved in helping others at the expense of my own sanity, I have never considered being something other than what I am.

And that is the crux of it I suppose. Some family legacies are something to which it is expected that you serve and are obligated to fulfill, which understandably is something that one might rebel against. However, some family legacies are something beyond that, the fulfillment of which is not something you must do, but is defined by who you are, the fulfillment of it being the fulfillment of who one is by their nature. In such cases, to rebel against it would be to rebel against everything that makes you who you are, everything that you know, everything that you feel.

It is beginning to seem daunting and burdensome now that I have ensured the continuance of the family line and have almost passed on the legacy to the next generation because now I am faced with the freedom and obligation of fulfilling my familial legacy not just in the every day deeds that I do for those whom I meet, or when the occasion arises, but in actively pursuing it out of Civic Duty to my fellow man. Not everyone in my family line has done such in taking their responsibility beyond their immediate environment, but the great names in my family line certainly have. However, the majority of that burden comes from lack of immediate direction. When the opportunity arises, of course I can rise to the occasion, but seeking out such when there is no immediate calling is another thing altogether and is far heavier a weight to bear.

When I see my daughter interact with others I know that I have fulfilled my obligation, and anything else is "extra credit". Even still being a youth, she has exceeded my own example, and even my own father's in being a benefactor of Justice to friend and stranger alike. She is far more outspoken than I and will speak out against injustices she sees even when I shut my mouth to avoid a scene or to keep from causing trouble. Whenever she sees someone distraught or in pain she will approach them to ask them point blank "What is wrong? Is there anything I can do to help?" and not to be so easily dismissed because of her age to follow through on her offer. She rallies children at school behind causes and comes home every weekend with a long agenda she wishes help with accomplishing, from writing letters to Administrators, Officials, Senators, to helping find ways to solve other people's problems that she doesn't know how to resolve. Her selfless dedication and devotion to others makes me proud, and even though it puts my own deeds thus far to shame, it reassures me that I have done good thus far, and in her example find even more resolution to continue on, taking on an even greater role than I have to date.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea
Here is what the scriptures have to say about "your kind".


Tell them not to spend their time on stories that are not true and on long lists of names in family histories. These things only bring arguments; they do not help God's work, which is done in faith.1 Timothy 1:4



Yet, I seem to recall several long genealogies presented in the Bible. A good part of Genesis is devoted to such, and you can it in numerous other books of both the Old Testament (too numerous to list) as well as the New Testament (Luke, Matthew, Mark, I Chronicles, Acts, Romans and Revelations to be specific).

So, Timothy's advice to not spend time on long lists of names in family histories only pertains if you aren't Christian or is there something hypocritical here in what you have quoted?


Originally posted by Alethea
The reason your 'special bloodline' does not own deeds and property is probably because they are supported by the Illuminati upline. Sounds a bit like the tribe of the Leviathan.


Actually, more like the Tribe of Benjamin if there would be a Biblical parallel. They were the Tribe chosen by God to lead Israel. During the war with the Armekalites (or Armelites, or some other such Semitic tribe) the people of Israel got bloodlust and called for every Armekalite man, woman and child to be slaughtered the Tribe of Benjamin intervened and defended the enemy from slaughter. For that act, the Israelites cast the Tribe of Benjamin out and thenceforth condemned any Benjamite woman found to be with child to be stoned to death and any Benjamite man to be killed on sight, and placed their own chosen Tribe, the Tribe of Judah, to lead Israel instead.

To anyone but the ancient Israelites, the Tribe of Benjamin were noble in deed and in heart. They stood by their ideals, even unto the threat of death, and even unto usurpation and banishment.


Originally posted by Alethea
I went back and read some of your posts.
I notice you congratulate the secret societies for "all the good work" they do.

Jesus said to let your good works be done in secret and not for the public applause of man. Seems some of these groups got it backwards. But then, sometimes people blow their horn loudly to point to their good works in order to cover up the evil they do in secret. They think it will keep them above suspicion.

I also noticed that you uphold the rights of the Scientology cult ( which, incidentally, was born out of mind control research at Stanford) to continue these evil techniques on people. Many of these religious cults have caused much psychological harm to people as well as pursuing individuals with threats and harassment once they leave the evil clutches of the group.


Assuming that not-so-secret societies such as the Accepted, Free and Antient Freemasons do happen to be Illuminati and as such, do have ulterior motives as you are insinuating...

Is doing good for ulterior motives worse than doing ill for clearly selfish motives?

Should no good deed go unpunished?

If a person or a group of individuals do something for the betterment of many people, even if they do wrong in their hearts, then it is all the more important that their selfless acts be praised so that they may be given the incentive to turn away from the wrong that may be in their hearts!

If I praise even the Illuminutty for those things that they do that may be good, then I feel no shame in that. I still reserve the right to rebuke them, assuming they survived the 17th century, for any wrong-doing which they do.

If I defend Freemasonic groups I do so because I feel they have been unjustly discriminated against. I would be just as quick to rebuke a Freemason for wrongdoing as I would be towards anyone else.

Also, for the record, the only Fraternal Organization any of my family has ever had any affiliation with throughout all of time, Secret or otherwise, is the Fraternal Order of the Eagles. My parents and grandparents sure liked to bowl.


As for Scientology, I share your contempt of Scientology and have no disagreement with you there. However, I do not allow my personal contempt for their beliefs to outweigh their rights to those beliefs. I would defend both Scientologist and Christian alike for their right to chose to practice their religious beliefs so long as it does not hurt another. I'll be the first in line to criticize Scientology, but I'll also be the first one in line to defend their Constitutional Rights, just as I would be for any other religion, even when it is not mine.


Originally posted by Alethea
True justice requires a spiritual knowledge that can only be evidenced by appreciation and pursuit of truth. I don't see this coming from you.


You are correct. You will not see a Christian agenda from me. I stand with Gandhi on my view of Christianity. I might find some truth in the Christian writings, and I may have liked to have met your Yeheshua Bar Yosef (Joshua/Jesus), but other than a few select examples (like St. Francis, St. John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila, Mother Theresa) I do not have a lot of respect for Christians themselves who talk and walk a path very different than what their religion supposedly stands for on paper.

I have much spiritual knowledge from having studied many religions (yes, including Christianity, from non-denominational, Protestant, Catholic and Eastern Orthodox forms of Christianity along with Mystical Christianity), both extant religions and dead religions, along with following the spiritual practices of Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, and Plotinus, and walking the path of the Hermetic texts that the Christian Patriarchs so revered that they considered on multiple occasions replacing the New Testament with them. However, since my personal spiritual beliefs do not derive from the New Testament Scriptures alone, then I doubt that anything I would ever have to say to the closed-minded would ever amount to being anything more than casting pearls before swine.

Still, I recognize your right to your own opinion, your right to your own religious beliefs without persecution, and will defend you just as I would defend anyone else to have those same rights. I will not cast stones at you, nor will I let another cast stones at you, but you can be sure that I will be there if ever you cast stones at others...and that should be a truth you can both appreciate and find evidence to in all that I do (and have written here on ATS).

POSTSCRIPT:

Originally posted by Alethea
"Secret Birthright"??!!
What arrogance!


If you had read so many of my previous posts on other threads, then you should have known my sublime tongue-in-cheek references, and gotten the satirical joke embedded in the title of this thread. *SIGH*

One man's humor is the arrogance of another I suppose.

But thank you for taking the time to criticize what you misunderstand rather than actually answering the questions which I posed in the OP.

[edit on 6-10-2009 by fraterormus]



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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However, some family legacies are something beyond that, the fulfillment of which is not something you must do, but is defined by who you are, the fulfillment of it being the fulfillment of who one is by their nature. In such cases, to rebel against it would be to rebel against everything that makes you who you are, everything that you know, everything that you feel.


I gotta say frat, I saw Your title, and thought,"Oh no, the invasion of the Elite snatchers
" After reading all that You have written, I have absolutely no doubt. I do feel a resonance with some here in these forums, and You are one of those People. What You wrote above does resonate beyond my words, but You did express it fairly well. I come from an oddity of hidden, and esoteric family roots. I guess they believe in survival of the fittest, or possibly take into regard the teachings of Plato.

Most definitely they believe the Man/Woman are indeed made from birth, and at best can be guided into fulfilling their destined lives. My family lineage is from the five families, and more precise the Genovese lineage. Most will consider them blood thirsty murderers, but the few whispers in the night that I've been privy to, well they are not.

There really are unseen battles raging in this World, and there are strict rules regarding innocents, and the preservation of the sacred Nature of Life. The whispers in the night still come, and some of the things I've heard are mind blowing, and life altering. I do understand how much of the hidden, or esoteric World work, and it is beyond my comprehension at times. I have had the privilege to meet in private with some of the most powerful men in the World; of course the World as seen by most. It doesn't matter to me, as I know the motto.

Any ways, I just wanted to say
, and I believe You. Also, I think the direction Your taking with the Pen is mightier than the Sword is the correct path, and most necessary right now. I do believe We are reaching a "critical mass" stage where We must all speak out, and speak up.

S&F



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
I gotta say frat, I saw Your title, and thought,"Oh no, the invasion of the Elite snatchers
"


It pleases me to know that my tongue-in-cheek satire in the title wasn't lost on everyone.



Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
Most definitely they believe the Man/Woman are indeed made from birth, and at best can be guided into fulfilling their destined lives.

Also, I think the direction Your taking with the Pen is mightier than the Sword is the correct path, and most necessary right now. I do believe We are reaching a "critical mass" stage where We must all speak out, and speak up.


Some religions call it Dharma, while others call it Providence or Divine Will. It doesn't really matter what religion you may follow or what you call it. Each and every one of us are born with a higher calling of some sort, a unique purpose to fulfill in this world. Whether we consciously come to realize what that role is, or not, doesn't make it any the less true.

And as much as Psychologists may like to believe that we are more Nurture than Nature, we all are born with our innate and inherent Nature which Nurture only allows us to modify to a minor degree by conditioning. However, in the end, none of us can deny who we really are, and the sooner we come to terms with our own being and heed that calling to serve something greater than ourselves and our own immediate time and environment, then the greater we can be in those acts that we pursue towards that end.

Although those in my familial line are called to a specific calling doesn't exclude anyone from finding cause in that same end. In truth, each and every one of us have every reason to uphold that balance in the scales of Justice, to ensure that Justice remain alongside her sisters Liberty and Life (or the Happy Pursuit thereof). If any of us remain silent to injustice, then we provide consent in our silence. To allow injustice to remain unchecked is to forsake a claim to Liberty or the Pursuit of Life. It is an obligation that we all share if we place value on such things.

In life there is far more than procreation. In order to live with purpose one must be willing to create a legacy to pass down to their children so that their children can have the benefit of experience gained from previous generations and have the opportunity to live to be greater than those that came before them. Although our children do not bear the guilt of the Sins of their Fathers, the Fathers bear the guilt of the actions of the offspring they beget. Even if one wasn't blessed with a family legacy passed down through the ages to them, that doesn't excuse them from passing down a legacy to their own children. In our (theoretically) egalitarian society there is no penalty for failing to pass a legacy down to one's children, but there should be no shame in doing such either. It doesn't make one family better than the next, it just provides an opportunity to one's children to more easily find their purpose in the world around them, providing them with a compass in an uncharted sea. That is no guarantee that they will still find themselves lost on the open waves, but it is more than they would have had if they had not a compass to guide them.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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thank you for the history lesson;

great speech;

i could destroy entire worlds with just my thoughts alone;
even after death;
but i feel that it is a very sad and evil thing;

the people i am with is all about love and light;
and they teach nothing but the most enlightened and wisest words;

controlled by no other than your own enlightened heart;

if you have troops they can merge with "Environmental Protection" exactly those words;

We are called The Light Workers


when you are truly enlightened; the light beings will speak to you.....



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by fraterormus






Originally posted by Alethea
True justice requires a spiritual knowledge that can only be evidenced by appreciation and pursuit of truth. I don't see this coming from you.


You are correct. You will not see a Christian agenda from me.



I never mentioned christianity. Most of those people are under a spell, imo.
What I did say pertained to the Spirit of Truth.

Sadly, being an intellectual, does not guarantee you that.


And to your readers...I would like to say this:

problem ...reaction...solution.

There are no new faces. Just one face with two sides.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Alethea
I never mentioned christianity. Most of those people are under a spell, imo.
What I did say pertained to the Spirit of Truth.


True, you did not mention Christianity, but you quoted Christian Bible Verses, made multiple references to the Christian Bible as "Scripture", and alluded that Jesus was the only gauge of Truth. Generally those characteristics are representative of a fundamentalist Christian.

To the majority of the people on this planet, Jesus does not have much, if anything to do with the Spirit of Truth, although understandably Christians may beg to differ.

So, if you did not infer that "True justice requires a spiritual knowledge that can only be evidenced by appreciation and pursuit of truth" means you cannot understand either truth or justice without the spiritual knowledge of Jesus, Lord and Savior, then would you care to elaborate?

I know it's more important to speak in enigmatic vagueness than to address either the earnest questions made in my OP or in my responses to your seemingly off-topic post, as it makes one sound all the more mysterious and fringe when using tenebrous wording. However, if you feel the need to enlighten, you shouldn't feel a need to hide behind equivocally oblique posts and just share what you mean.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 09:54 AM
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Hi Fraterormus,

I myself am from an interesting bloodline, and i too have a duty bestowed upon me. Not really by choice, it's just how things are


Feels like the weight of the world sometimes doesn't it? You'll make it.

I get by because i figure, hey if we're going to put things in anyones hands, may aswell be mine!

Let me know how it goes and if i can be of any assistance.

Also I'm pretty good for a laugh, a beer and tacos, you know just chilling





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