Cheney / Palin in 2012: Dream Ticket : Half Nightmare and Half Fantasy, page 2
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reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 11:12 AM by Bunken Drum
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
Wow OP, 'kin hilarious! Surely it'll never happen?
I'll tell y'all, I used to work in a chip shop (for Americans, thats a fast food place that sells french fries with @least twice the cross section of American ones, plus things like fish deep fried in batter, pies etc.) as a teen. The cooking operations mainly revolved around 2 large vats of very hot oil. My point is that I had to significantly increase my frequency of washing in order to stop the grease that condensed all over me from giving me serious pimplage...
Just imagine how much Palin would have to spend on hair & make-up standing next to that slimey tub of lard on the stump day after day! That'd take a corporate backer all of its own!


reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 12:02 PM by Lasheic
reply to post by jd140



Nobody in their right mind would back any ticket with Cheney in it, Palin maybe, but never Cheney.


I guess it depends on which conservative faction rises to the top of the dog pile before last of the Republican presidential primaries. The Bush Administration dealt a pretty heavy blow to the Republican party and unseated the Religious Right just enough to make them vulnerable to dethronement as the majority voice for Conservatives. There's been a noticeable push to return the party to a more "Reaganized" ideal of what the party used to stand for.

While I am certainly no carrier for the banner of Reagan, I would very much welcome a return of THAT conservative party. While I had fundamental disagreements with many of their policies and ideology - I none-the-less felt that meaningful dialog could be established. They were respectable, and didn't reek of (possibly cancerous) utter "Bat-s*1+ Crazy" the way it has over the last ten or so years.

I don't see that happening if the fundamentalist Religious Right are allowed to insulate their position as the dominant conservative faction in the Republican party like they did going into 2000 & 2004.

I harbor far less admiration for Bush Sr. than I did for Reagan. However the stark contrast between Reason based vs. Faith based leadership marks a strong distinction between the presidencies of father and son. In essence, I think Bush Jr's tendency to favor "gut feelings" made him particularly gullible and easy to manipulate by others in his Administration. He appeared the inept and incompetent puppet on a string, a perception which was only reinforced by his seat-of-the-pants speeches and their foibles.

In this regard, Palin very much reminds me of Bush Jr. There's no way I could even consider supporting such a candidate. As for Cheney, I don't even know how he's still alive. I honestly didn't think his heart condition would have allowed him to last more than a year or two into the first term. I'm amazed, yet still no more confident in his continued health. If for no other reason, I would never support a bid of his for Presidency just out of the sheer disrespect he showed for our government by using the office of the Vice Presidency as a shelter from political inquiry and responsibility by nimbly dancing between Executive and Legislative branch depending on what action he was trying to justify or disclosure he was attempting to dodge.

His actions represent, to me, a clear abuse of office and overstepping of intended authority. While the VP should have a voice in the counsel of the President as well as stay informed and engaged enough to faithfully take on the role of President should the need arise, I think the boundaries of intent were pushed to their breaking point. The primary role and focus of the Vice President is to pretty much to sit back, stfu, and cast the tie breaking vote in the event of a 50/50 split in the Senate. When the VP as the presiding officer supposedly cannot even influence the Senate's decision by joining in on the debates being moderated - how is it then inferred that the VP should have a substantial or dominant voice in advising the President? The VP is basically a glorified "traffic cop" at the intersection of opinions and agendas.



The mere suggesting of a Cheney/Palin ticket in 2012 may seem ludicrous to many now, but I see no inherent reason why it wouldn't be possible. Perhaps even likely depending on how the next few years leading up to it play out.

It's ironic... I once viewed Bob Dole as a second-rate contender to a heavy-weight bout in the bid for the Presidency, with the knockout blow in '96. I couldn't believe the conservatives couldn't present a more inspired, driven, and personable candidate. He just didn't impress me. In light of a suggested Cheney/Palin ticket though... I find myself desperate for a conservative candidate of Bob Dole's demeanor and caliber.



reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 12:19 PM by uaocteaou
I don't know who the GOP will put up next time around, but it won't be Cheney, that much is certain.

Although he doesn't give a chit, even he knows that he's a pariah on the political scene, the GOP didn't even want him at their convention.

Palin is an empty sack, she could get some votes, sure, but she could never be a serious contender against a serious politician, she's just not smart enough, and she's got problems on the horizon anyway.

Crist, he's gay, and the GOP knows that they can't conceal that fact anymore with pretty beards. Even Rove recently contributed to his opponents campaign.

Jindal, nope. He's too thin on most issues, and his personal life before politics are a problem for him. Oh, and he's brown, and we all know that the GOP doesn't support people who are brown.

Pawlenty, nope. His personal life and behind the scenes political activities are going to bring him down, at least for the next couple of election cycles.

Huckabee, maybe. But he can't win the whole game, and the GOP knows that. He's a proud part of that evangelical movement, and he's stated that he believes that the constitution should be "brought into line with Gods law". He could do well in the deep south, but I think that's about it.
He's also got a few problems down the pipe, that would only be problems if he decides to run for President.

Romney, maybe. He's the most legitimate contender out there, right now anyway. But I think we all saw that there's just something about him that turns people off, and he really needs to acquire a personality. He should also stop flip-flopping on on issues, that would help. But he is the most legitimate candidate right now.

I still think that the next big thing in GOP politics hasn't come to the surface just yet.


reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 12:30 PM by LadySkadi
Originally posted by uaocteaou
I don't know who the GOP will put up next time around, but it won't be Cheney, that much is certain.

Although he doesn't give a chit, even he knows that he's a pariah on the political scene, the GOP didn't even want him at their convention.

Palin is an empty sack, she could get some votes, sure, but she could never be a serious contender against a serious politician, she's just not smart enough, and she's got problems on the horizon anyway.

Crist, he's gay, and the GOP knows that they can't conceal that fact anymore with pretty beards. Even Rove recently contributed to his opponents campaign.

Jindal, nope. He's too thin on most issues, and his personal life before politics are a problem for him. Oh, and he's brown, and we all know that the GOP doesn't support people who are brown.

Pawlenty, nope. His personal life and behind the scenes political activities are going to bring him down, at least for the next couple of election cycles.

Huckabee, maybe. But he can't win the whole game, and the GOP knows that. He's a proud part of that evangelical movement, and he's stated that he believes that the constitution should be "brought into line with Gods law". He could do well in the deep south, but I think that's about it.
He's also got a few problems down the pipe, that would only be problems if he decides to run for President.

Romney, maybe. He's the most legitimate contender out there, right now anyway. But I think we all saw that there's just something about him that turns people off, and he really needs to acquire a personality. He should also stop flip-flopping on on issues, that would help. But he is the most legitimate candidate right now.

I still think that the next big thing in GOP politics hasn't come to the surface just yet.


Any thoughts on Newt Gingrich?


reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 01:12 PM by SpartanKingLeonidas
Many people have bitched, whined, and complained about Bush in the previous eight years, myself included, and many people have complained about Obama’s handling of our country so far for the first ten months, myself included, of what many people hope will be Barack Obama’s only Presidential term on office, but far worse it would be if Dick Cheney took up residence yet again at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, no matter if Sarah Palin was his running mate, or Joan of Arc. I know as far as I am concerned, I would much rather see Ted Kaczynski run as a Presidential nominee with as his Vice Presidential running mate the sociopath who has been locked up for as long as I have walked planet Earth, Charles Manson. I hope people realize that this was dark humor mixed with sarcasm and in no way misconstrue that as condoning what those two nutcases have done in the past, and in no way no matter how much I have bitched about the U.S. Federal Government for my entire life, I would sooner not see Cheney inhabit the White House again.

If this is announced as an actual viable Presidential ticket for 2012, I will either seek to run for office myself with ATS’s own SkepticOverlord as my Vice Presidential running mate or I will be leaving this country to never return ever again. I think that a host of other American citizens would storm Capitol Hill, or flee North through the Canadian Border, or South through the Mexican Border and renounce their citizenship just to escape the future oppressive regime that would be the Cheney/Palin Administration because while Sarah Palin might be considered a viable option, whatever choices she made or whatever good she may or may not represent, there is no way she can balance out the vile salacious corruption that exudes and oozes from Dick Cheney. People should wonder at this potential ticket for the very future of our nation that people were worried about the potential for F.E.M.A. Detention Camps becoming a reality through False Flag Operations under George W. Bush, they would become a reality, False Flag Operations, or not, regardless of what we as American citizens think, want, need, or demand. I can see how dark the world would become if this became a reality because the people of the rest of the world would become proactive in destroying our beloved nation and I would find it difficult as Hell to blame them, let alone stop them.

This may in fact have become a rumor in order to scare American’s into voting again for Barack Obama and whether it is or not, I cannot see this potential scare tactics as reason enough to see the Obama/Biden team as a viable second term through being the Incumbent ticket that I would vote for because no matter what lesser of two evils, Cheney/Palin or Obama/Biden, I would vote for neither. I have often compared being lead to two choices only as no choice whatsoever, because to me when we are limited and or restrained to only two choices we as a society are being manipulated into a false dichotomy because in life there are always more than two choices, sticking with traditional values, or being progressive and instituting new traditions, there is always a third option. Whether I seek office in order to block Cheney/Palin or not, I am going to solicit signatures to block this Presidential ticket form being allowed on the ballot because this cannot be allowed by anyone to happen because as far as I am concerned it was not Osama bin Laden that was the mastermind behind the September 11th attack, but Dick Cheney pulling the puppet strings to disable American defenses against those planes that destroyed the World Trade Towers.


reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 01:32 PM by uaocteaou
reply to post by LadySkadi




Any thoughts on Newt Gingrich?


well, since you asked.... yes.

I think Newt is damaged goods also. A savvy politician to be sure, but he is now destined to help the GOP from other venues, such as TV, Radio, PAC's. But as a national candidate, I doubt it.

The sanctions, the hypocrisy of railing against Clinton for an extra marital affair, while he, himself was having an extra marital affair, have damaged him from running an effective campaign for national office.

I think Newt likes the freedom of making waves, and tons of money, without the additional scrutiny of being in office.
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