Ahmadinejad has no Jewish roots, page 1
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reply posted on 5-10-2009 @ 10:41 PM by really
Originally posted by StinkyFeet
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Or is that what they want you to believe?


HA!!! You guys are unbelievable. That's the TRUTH. 1 week ago you people never thought he was Jewish. Then the DAILY TELEGRAPH prints an article saying he might be. NOW, it's a Zionist Conspiracy.
Ignorant.


reply posted on 5-10-2009 @ 11:44 PM by really
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Another thing - you obviously still haven't read the article as it talks about his surname's genealogy.



reply posted on 5-10-2009 @ 11:59 PM by really
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Professor David Yeroshalmi, author of The Jews of Iran in the 19th century and an expert on Iranian Jewish communities, disputes the validity of this argument. "There is no such meaning for the word 'sabour' in any of the Persian Jewish dialects, nor does it mean Jewish prayer shawl in Persian. Also, the name Sabourjian is not a well-known Jewish name," he stated in a recent interview. In fact, Iranian Jews use the Hebrew word "tzitzit" to describe the Jewish prayer shawl.


Did you read this part. The other article was in the DAILY TELEGRAPH. Not exactly a reputable news source. IT WAS WRONG.


reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 12:10 AM by star in a jar
Your other point about his father's great-great-great grandfather being Jewish would not make him Jewish as the Jewish bloodline is traced through the mother


In the Talmud it is maternal lineage. However, in the Hebrew Bible it is paternal...

From this source
The Talmud expands on the Torah passages of Deuteronomy 7, which oppose intermarriage by Jews. This verse states that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man will be Jewish. Other Torah verses admonish Jewish men from taking non-Jewish wives because their children will not be Jewish.

Why and how matrilineal descent evolved is unclear. Other aspects of lineage, such as one's affiliation with the Jewish tribes, are traced through the father. And in the Hebrew Bible, paternal lineage often plays a more important role. Scholars have suggested various reasons for the use of maternal lineage in determining Jewish status


I have read the article, but Ahmadinejad's heritage can't be dismissed because of technicalities. Blood and DNA doesn't know technicalities, nor do they know holy books.

How come the name Sabourjian is on the Iranian registry for Jewish names then?




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reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 12:14 AM by really
Originally posted by star in a jar
Your other point about his father's great-great-great grandfather being Jewish would not make him Jewish as the Jewish bloodline is traced through the mother


In the Talmud it is maternal lineage. However, in the Hebrew Bible it is paternal...

From this source
The Talmud expands on the Torah passages of Deuteronomy 7, which oppose intermarriage by Jews. This verse states that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man will be Jewish. Other Torah verses admonish Jewish men from taking non-Jewish wives because their children will not be Jewish.

Why and how matrilineal descent evolved is unclear. Other aspects of lineage, such as one's affiliation with the Jewish tribes, are traced through the father. And in the Hebrew Bible, paternal lineage often plays a more important role. Scholars have suggested various reasons for the use of maternal lineage in determining Jewish status


I have read the article, but Ahmadinejad's heritage can't be dismissed because of technicalities. Blood and DNA doesn't know technicalities, nor do they know holy books.

How come the name Sabourjian is on the Iranian registry for Jewish names then?




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You do realize that the quote you selected says that the Talmud is explaining Deuteronomy which is a book of the Bible (Old Testament). It is saying that the Bible says that the lineal descent goes through the MOTHER.


reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 12:32 AM by really
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Dude, honestly, are you reading stuff? YES, in Deuteronomy which is the Bible it says that the Jewish bloodline is MATERNAL. The Bible says that.
The only thing that quote you printed stated about the paternal bloodline is that the tribal bloodline goes the father (ie - tribe of: Judah, Levi, etc). But, to be a Jew you go through the maternal bloodline!!!


reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 12:34 AM by really
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Yes, the Haaretz article is quoting the DAILY TELEGRAPH!!!!!!
This is going nowhere.



reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 09:28 AM by December_Rain
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Even if he has Jewish roots it doesnt matter, same way it does'nt matter if he has christian, arab, sikh, hindu roots. A person is being judged by his actions not his roots. He stood up for his country against hypocracy of Israel & US and that's what matters.


reply posted on 6-10-2009 @ 12:11 PM by Donny 4 million
Originally posted by December_Rain
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post by Maxmars



Exactly, 100% agree with you


I agree with both of you.
The expression "We all put our pants on the same way" could apply.
"Blood is thicker than water"
"We all bleed red"
"Judged by actions not words"
"All men are created equal"
" Honor thy mother and thy father."
"Do unto others as you would have done unto you."
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