Ahmadinejad has no Jewish roots

According to both Naji and Tait, Ahmadinejad's father Ahmad was in fact a religious Shia, who taught the Quran before and after Ahmadinejad's birth and their move to Tehran. So religious was Ahmad Sabourjian that he bought a house near a Hosseinieh, a religious club that he frequented during the holy month of Moharram to mourn the martyrdom of Imam Hossein.

Moreover, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mother is a Seyyede. This is a title given to women whose family are believed to be direct bloodline descendants of Prophet Muhammad. Male members are given the title of Seyyed, and include prominent figures such as Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei. In Judaism, this is equivalent to the Cohens, who are direct descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses. One has to be born into a Seyyed family: the title is never given to Muslims by birth, let alone converts. This makes it impossible for Ahmadinejad's mother to have been a Jew. In fact, she was so proud of her lineage that everyone in her native village of Aradan referred to her by her Islamic title, Seyyede.

Originally posted by star in a jar
The same argument can be made about most Jews in Israel. They aren't really descended from blood Jews, but actually are converts- exactly like Ahmadinejad.

Originally posted by StinkyFeet
reply to post by really

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Or is that what they want you to believe?

Originally posted by star in a jar
It's like saying there are no blood Jews in the Middle East except those in Israel, and those with Muslim names were always Muslims.

Back before it was fashionable for Muslims and Jews to dislike each other, they lived together in communities and they married each other, so at some point in history Ahmadinejad's family tree might have Jewish blood, so being against Ahmadinejad is technically antisemitic...

It's common for some Europeans, for example to be named after their ancient family professions. Smiths, Fishers, Miners, Bakers, etc.

The Sabourjians (Cloth Weavers) could have been Jewish 200-300 years ago. It means nothing if Ahmadinejad's father was Muslim. What about his great, great, great grandparents?

Professor David Yeroshalmi, author of The Jews of Iran in the 19th century and an expert on Iranian Jewish communities, disputes the validity of this argument. "There is no such meaning for the word 'sabour' in any of the Persian Jewish dialects, nor does it mean Jewish prayer shawl in Persian. Also, the name Sabourjian is not a well-known Jewish name," he stated in a recent interview. In fact, Iranian Jews use the Hebrew word "tzitzit" to describe the Jewish prayer shawl.

Your other point about his father's great-great-great grandfather being Jewish would not make him Jewish as the Jewish bloodline is traced through the mother

The Talmud expands on the Torah passages of Deuteronomy 7, which oppose intermarriage by Jews. This verse states that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man will be Jewish. Other Torah verses admonish Jewish men from taking non-Jewish wives because their children will not be Jewish.

Why and how matrilineal descent evolved is unclear. Other aspects of lineage, such as one's affiliation with the Jewish tribes, are traced through the father. And in the Hebrew Bible, paternal lineage often plays a more important role. Scholars have suggested various reasons for the use of maternal lineage in determining Jewish status

Originally posted by star in a jar


In the Talmud it is maternal lineage. However, in the Hebrew Bible it is paternal...

From this source

I have read the article, but Ahmadinejad's heritage can't be dismissed because of technicalities. Blood and DNA doesn't know technicalities, nor do they know holy books.

How come the name Sabourjian is on the Iranian registry for Jewish names then?




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Originally posted by December_Rain
reply to post by Maxmars

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Exactly, 100% agree with you