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Ahmadinejad has no Jewish roots

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posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 10:19 PM
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According to both Naji and Tait, Ahmadinejad's father Ahmad was in fact a religious Shia, who taught the Quran before and after Ahmadinejad's birth and their move to Tehran. So religious was Ahmad Sabourjian that he bought a house near a Hosseinieh, a religious club that he frequented during the holy month of Moharram to mourn the martyrdom of Imam Hossein.

Moreover, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mother is a Seyyede. This is a title given to women whose family are believed to be direct bloodline descendants of Prophet Muhammad. Male members are given the title of Seyyed, and include prominent figures such as Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei. In Judaism, this is equivalent to the Cohens, who are direct descendants of Aaron, the brother of Moses. One has to be born into a Seyyed family: the title is never given to Muslims by birth, let alone converts. This makes it impossible for Ahmadinejad's mother to have been a Jew. In fact, she was so proud of her lineage that everyone in her native village of Aradan referred to her by her Islamic title, Seyyede.




Yeah, this is what I thought. Ahmadinejad is not Jewish in any way. He is NOT an Israel Massod spy or plant. Not everything is a Zionist Conspiracy!!!


www.guardian.co.uk...




posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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The same argument can be made about most Jews in Israel. They aren't really descended from blood Jews, but actually are converts- exactly like Ahmadinejad.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by star in a jar
The same argument can be made about most Jews in Israel. They aren't really descended from blood Jews, but actually are converts- exactly like Ahmadinejad.


Wow!!! did you read the article. HE's NOT JEWISH - by blood or by conversion!!!

This is exactly my point.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 10:39 PM
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Or is that what they want you to believe?



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by StinkyFeet
reply to post by really
 


Or is that what they want you to believe?


HA!!! You guys are unbelievable. That's the TRUTH. 1 week ago you people never thought he was Jewish. Then the DAILY TELEGRAPH prints an article saying he might be. NOW, it's a Zionist Conspiracy.
Ignorant.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 11:36 PM
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It's like saying there are no blood Jews in the Middle East except those in Israel, and those with Muslim names were always Muslims.

Back before it was fashionable for Muslims and Jews to dislike each other, they lived together in communities and they married each other, so at some point in history Ahmadinejad's family tree might have Jewish blood, so being against Ahmadinejad is technically antisemitic...


It's common for some Europeans, for example to be named after their ancient family professions. Smiths, Fishers, Miners, Bakers, etc.

The Sabourjians (Cloth Weavers) could have been Jewish 200-300 years ago. It means nothing if Ahmadinejad's father was Muslim. What about his great, great, great grandparents?



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by star in a jar
It's like saying there are no blood Jews in the Middle East except those in Israel, and those with Muslim names were always Muslims.

Back before it was fashionable for Muslims and Jews to dislike each other, they lived together in communities and they married each other, so at some point in history Ahmadinejad's family tree might have Jewish blood, so being against Ahmadinejad is technically antisemitic...


It's common for some Europeans, for example to be named after their ancient family professions. Smiths, Fishers, Miners, Bakers, etc.

The Sabourjians (Cloth Weavers) could have been Jewish 200-300 years ago. It means nothing if Ahmadinejad's father was Muslim. What about his great, great, great grandparents?


Well, following that line of thought, we could all be white-black-asian-native american-jewish-muslim-christians. So, it's sort of a moot point.
Your other point about his father's great-great-great grandfather being Jewish would not make him Jewish as the Jewish bloodline is traced through the mother.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 11:44 PM
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Another thing - you obviously still haven't read the article as it talks about his surname's genealogy.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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I don't get how the article also suggests that they changed their name because they didn't want to be associated with modern-day sweat shops


Media talking garbage again, as usual?

Converting names when converting to a new religion is common, to Judaism, to Islam, to Christianity.

The media is in full mode damage control: They are trying to downplay the significance of this because they can no longer call Ahmadinejad out by falsely claiming that he is calling for the genocide of Jews when it's obvious Ahmadinejad has Jewish blood in him, that he has a beef with the system, and not with the people.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 11:59 PM
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Professor David Yeroshalmi, author of The Jews of Iran in the 19th century and an expert on Iranian Jewish communities, disputes the validity of this argument. "There is no such meaning for the word 'sabour' in any of the Persian Jewish dialects, nor does it mean Jewish prayer shawl in Persian. Also, the name Sabourjian is not a well-known Jewish name," he stated in a recent interview. In fact, Iranian Jews use the Hebrew word "tzitzit" to describe the Jewish prayer shawl.


Did you read this part. The other article was in the DAILY TELEGRAPH. Not exactly a reputable news source. IT WAS WRONG.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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Your other point about his father's great-great-great grandfather being Jewish would not make him Jewish as the Jewish bloodline is traced through the mother


In the Talmud it is maternal lineage. However, in the Hebrew Bible it is paternal...

From this source

The Talmud expands on the Torah passages of Deuteronomy 7, which oppose intermarriage by Jews. This verse states that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man will be Jewish. Other Torah verses admonish Jewish men from taking non-Jewish wives because their children will not be Jewish.

Why and how matrilineal descent evolved is unclear. Other aspects of lineage, such as one's affiliation with the Jewish tribes, are traced through the father. And in the Hebrew Bible, paternal lineage often plays a more important role. Scholars have suggested various reasons for the use of maternal lineage in determining Jewish status


I have read the article, but Ahmadinejad's heritage can't be dismissed because of technicalities. Blood and DNA doesn't know technicalities, nor do they know holy books.

How come the name Sabourjian is on the Iranian registry for Jewish names then?




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posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 12:14 AM
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Originally posted by star in a jar

Your other point about his father's great-great-great grandfather being Jewish would not make him Jewish as the Jewish bloodline is traced through the mother


In the Talmud it is maternal lineage. However, in the Hebrew Bible it is paternal...

From this source

The Talmud expands on the Torah passages of Deuteronomy 7, which oppose intermarriage by Jews. This verse states that the child of a Jewish woman and a non-Jewish man will be Jewish. Other Torah verses admonish Jewish men from taking non-Jewish wives because their children will not be Jewish.

Why and how matrilineal descent evolved is unclear. Other aspects of lineage, such as one's affiliation with the Jewish tribes, are traced through the father. And in the Hebrew Bible, paternal lineage often plays a more important role. Scholars have suggested various reasons for the use of maternal lineage in determining Jewish status


I have read the article, but Ahmadinejad's heritage can't be dismissed because of technicalities. Blood and DNA doesn't know technicalities, nor do they know holy books.

How come the name Sabourjian is on the Iranian registry for Jewish names then?




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You do realize that the quote you selected says that the Talmud is explaining Deuteronomy which is a book of the Bible (Old Testament). It is saying that the Bible says that the lineal descent goes through the MOTHER.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 12:29 AM
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As I understand it, the Hebrew Bible came before the Talmud, therefore, prime importance of Paternal lineage came first and prime importance of maternal lineage is an later translation.

It doesn't make sense scientifically either way anyway. The child has both the genes of the father and the mother.

It's not a spiritual transfer or anything, which is why I don't get the purity aspect of this argument. Ahmadinejad's mother heritage is not Jewish, therefore Ahmadinejad has no Jewish blood at all, damn his father's torpedoes... I don't buy that.

The point is that the media is making it seem as if Ahmadinejad has no Jewish roots... This is plain not true.

Haaretz carried this story as well



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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Dude, honestly, are you reading stuff? YES, in Deuteronomy which is the Bible it says that the Jewish bloodline is MATERNAL. The Bible says that.
The only thing that quote you printed stated about the paternal bloodline is that the tribal bloodline goes the father (ie - tribe of: Judah, Levi, etc). But, to be a Jew you go through the maternal bloodline!!!



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 12:34 AM
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Yes, the Haaretz article is quoting the DAILY TELEGRAPH!!!!!!
This is going nowhere.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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Why are you denigrating the Daily Telegraph?


You're right, this is going nowhere. Arguments about technicalities in religion never goes anywhere.

I make my leave, confident in my belief that Ahmadinejad has Jewish blood in him, contrary to what some people are saying!

*Makes a male curtsy before leaving this thread*



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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Even if he has Jewish roots it doesnt matter, same way it does'nt matter if he has christian, arab, sikh, hindu roots. A person is being judged by his actions not his roots. He stood up for his country against hypocracy of Israel & US and that's what matters.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 11:21 AM
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I mean no disrespect to people arguing in this thread, but isn't this a bit silly?

In reality, the idea of "Muslim" blood or "Jewish"
blood (shouldn't that be "Hebrew" blood?) doesn't matter at all because they are constructed from cultural pretension.

The notion that any one blood is somehow different from another is kind of ludicrous - scientifically speaking. "Typing" aside, it's all human blood, and not likely to recognized as one thing or another unless someone breaks out the genetic coding .... which clearly shows that we are all of the same heritage; whether we like it or not. We are Human. The rest is all garbage invented by people who draw lines on paper and call them 'borders'. Then they send our kids to kill each other over where those borders lie.

Six-degrees of separation - or less .... that's all there is. The math seems irrefutable.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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Exactly, 100% agree with you



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by December_Rain
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Exactly, 100% agree with you


I agree with both of you.
The expression "We all put our pants on the same way" could apply.
"Blood is thicker than water"
"We all bleed red"
"Judged by actions not words"
"All men are created equal"
" Honor thy mother and thy father."
"Do unto others as you would have done unto you."




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