I have something in common with this thread as two churches, not one have called me the Antichrist, largely for my belief that God is everything, and in everything including all heavens, all hells, all angels and all demons. That God is the only thing that exists.

= Me Antichrist...

Go figure.

Originally posted by funkeemunkee84

The fact that in order to be a true Christian you have to live a holy life

Can you please tell me what makes you holier than me?

Originally posted by funkeemunkee84
true Christians know that you cannot be saved without being holy

Does this require enacting a blood drinking ritual?

Originally posted by funkeemunkee84
God himself lets everyone know through the bible that whomever cannot commit themselves to a holy life and be saved will be forgotten of by him and left to the side, you know the book of life.

Does this "book of life" have anything to do with church records and having your name on the roll?

Originally posted by funkeemunkee84

furthermore through Apostle Paul's teaching churches are taught to forget of those who choose to remove themselves from the church. It's God's law and it cannot be ignored.

What qualifies Paul to speak on God's behalf?
Paul never even knew Jesus. Paul was a blood relative of King Herod.

Originally posted by funkeemunkee84
Apostle Paul cannot be ignored he was made by Jesus Christ our Lord and savior apostle to all of the Gentiles,

This is simply not true. Jesus never met nor spoke to Paul.


I think you would do well to research some bible history before making yourself a stumbling block of errors.

Well I haven't been back to the Catholic Church as a practicing parishioner since I was in my teens and I can't say I've suffered any recourse from them.
I had my son christened, have been to weddings, christenings etc with no backlash and ban. So I can say it isn't ALL CHURCHES.

[edit on 13-10-2009 by Flighty]

Originally posted by Alethea
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Religions are now acknowledging that the antichrist is indeed a plural description. And they have now labeled members who have left the church as the wicked antichrist...

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

1 John 2:19

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This past year, the Watchtower Society, which is a publishing company masquerading as a religion, declared its former members as the antichrist:
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Some churches are even sending veiled threats to its members that the invisible hand of god is about to kill those who have left the church.
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Will churches cause their members to act "with godly hate" against those who expose the false teachings of religions?

Is there really a private organization that plans do harm to those who speak out against religious deceptions?

Will those who do not accept the dominionist agenda be quietly "removed" by the "silent hand of god"?

Alright, let me start with the first point. The Bible speaks of antichrists, plural, AND an Antichrist, singular. The references are in several places, but it's a clear distinction. In general, an antichrist (small "a") is a person or persons that speak against the deity and teachings of Jesus. False teachers, false churches, etc, all fall under this description. In fact, you mentioned one such group, the Jehovah's Witness crowd. Definitely NOT a Christian bunch, and they would tell you that themselves. I used to work with a girl that belonged to that group, who was offended by Christian music. The Antichrist, on the other hand, is supposed to be an individual. One person, with great power, that deceives most of the world, after the Church is gone. The Church, in this case, meaning the body of believers, all that accept Jesus as Savior, and not any particular denomination or organization.

Now, on to the supposed "veiled threats" of churches against people that leave. What the Watchtower Society does is not relevant to what Christian churches do, first off. They are not a Christian Church. Second, a statement by this or that church that God might take some action against those that leave isn't a threat, but a simple statement of a passage of the Bible. Misused or not (I really am too tired to research that right now), stating what one believes God will do isn't telling people to do anything. Nor is it an indication of some secret group of Christian assassins or something, out to kill off those that leave. Seriously, when a person leaves a church, they leave, that's all. Some laces might contact the person, to see how they are doing, and if they intend to remain a member or not, but that's it. At worst, a Catholic could be excommunicated, for whatever that's worth, but I doubt one leaving would really care.

There isn't some vast secret conspiracy by churches to kill off people that disagree. Honestly, these days, such a task would be insurmountable. A lot of people come to believe all the time, but a lot don't. Christians will feel for those people, but we aren't looking to murder them. Now, I understand there are some crackpot groups around that could do something stupid like that, but that's at best a fringe group, like that Westboro bunch (not Baptists at all, no matter what label they apply to themselves). I could see them going off the deep end, but not any regular church. Trust me; I have been in a lot of churches, including some very conservative ones, and nothing like this would ever even be thought of.

Originally posted by ShadoMan
Religion is population control - plain and simple. More people have died in the name of 'Their' gods than for anything else on this planet.

I still believe the old saying: Left is Right and Right is Wrong!

The Christian Right - what do they stand for? In my opinion - Hatred!

I hate to resort to cliches, but what a crock! Population control? From people that don't, in general, agree with birth control? That's laughable. The Christian Right for hatred? I guess you don't know any real Christians. Hate isn't on the agenda. You are entitled to your opinion, but in this case, it's a wrong one.

Originally posted by wylekat
Ya know... I was forwarded a list as to the 27 characteristics of the Antichrist. not multiple people who ARE antichrist. To be brutally honest, I think the church itself with all it's various corrupt goings on is the whore of babylon, just from reading and observation- nothing fancy. I read the bible, and what I read in papers and have experienced personally speak volumes- especially when what I experience is along the same lines. I wont sit and point my finger at everything the church has done - I don't want to turn this into a 5 page epic tale, ya know...

Things like seeing the leaders of the church fantastically rich off what little the poor offer- and the poor get little to nothing back from it. The judgmental, mean way a church acts towards someone who NEEDS help, and may have been down the 'wrong path'. Or the way a lot of churches act like a country club- pay your dues, or get OUT.

They say WE, who left and decided not to put up with the BS, are the AntiChrist(s)?

Anyways, this list is for reference only: Feel free to disagree... as this list was compiled from the bible- and supposedly, the church FOLLOWS the bible- there's obviously some huge, huge discrepancies in their claims and what's in the book...

1. He comes from among ten kings in the restored Roman Empire; his authority will have similarities to the ancient Babylonians, Persians, and Greeks [Daniel 7:24; Rev 13:2 / Daniel 7:7]

2. He will subdue three kings [Daniel 7:8, 24]

3. He is different from the other kings [Daniel 7:24]

4. He will rise from obscurity…a “little horn” [Daniel 7:8]

5. He will speak boastfully [Daniel 7:8; Rev 13:5]

6. He will blaspheme God, [Daniel 7:25; 11:36; Rev 13:5] slandering His Name, dwelling place, and departed Christians and Old Testament saints [Rev 13:6]

7. He will oppress the saints and be successful for 3 ½ years [Daniel 7:25; Rev 13:7]


8. He will try to change the calendar, perhaps to define a new era, related to himself [Daniel 7:25]

9. He will try to change the laws, perhaps to gain an advantage for his new kingdom and era
[Dan 7:25]

10. He will not be succeeded by another earthly ruler, but by Christ [Daniel 7:26-27]

11. He will confirm a covenant with “many”, i.e. the Jewish people [Daniel 9:27]
This covenant will likely involve the establishment of a Jewish Temple in Jerusalem
[see Dan 9:27; Matt 24:15]

12. He will put an end to Jewish sacrifice and offerings after 3 ½ years and will set up an abomination to God in the Temple [Daniel 9:27, Matthew 24:15]

13. He will not answer to a higher earthly authority; “He will do as he pleases”[Daniel 11:36]

14. He will show no regard for the religion of his ancestors [Daniel 11:37]

15. He will not believe in any god at all [except for himself] [Daniel 11:37]

16. He will have "no regard for the desire of women": He will either be asexual or homosexual
[Dan 11:37]

17. He will claim to be greater than any god [Daniel 11:37; 2 Thess 2:4]

18. He will claim to be God [2 Thessalonians 2:4]

19. He will only honor a “god” of the military. His whole focus and attention will be on his military. He will conquer lands and distribute them [Daniel 11:39-44]

20. His arrival on the world scene will be accompanied by miracles, signs and wonders [2 Thess 2:9]

21. Either he, or his companion [The False Prophet], will claim to be Christ [Matt 24:21-28]

22. He will claim that Jesus did not come in the flesh, or that Jesus did not rise bodily from the grave
[2 John 7]. He will deny that Jesus is the Messiah [I John 2:22]

23. He will be worshipped by many people [Rev. 13:8]

24. He will hate a nation that initially will have some control over his kingdom, but he will destroy this nation [Rev 17:16-18]

25. He will appear to survive a fatal injury [Rev. 13:3; 17:8]

26. His name will be related to the number six hundred and sixty six—but not necessarily in an obvious fashion [Rev 13:17-18].

27. He will be empowered by the devil himself [Rev. 13:2]

Exactly where are the discrepancies? All this matches up with everything I have heard in a church about the Antichrist (not to be confused with antichrists in general-see other post here).

invisible hand of god is about to kill those who have left the church.

That's nothing compared to my pimpin' hand.

Seriously though, they need the indulgences in these trying times.