It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by KSPigpen
I find it irrational and crippling. When I see a person of a different color, or hear someone speaking a different language, my mind goes through milliseconds that seem like hours, of internal debate, rationalization and judgement. It pains me because I KNOW better. I KNOW that skin color has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I KNOW that I am not to judge by appearance. I know that people of all different races and cultures have contributed to making this world the marvel, and abomination it is today, but yet the silent, internal judgement continues.
...How is it that I eliminate this specter completely from my subconscious? How is it that I can be free?
Your input is eagerly anticipated. Thanks for taking the time to read.
Originally posted by Nichiren
Everybody perceives race & gender. And yes, it is in that order. The politically correct notion of being colorblind is totally absurd and self-destructive, because humans are not built that way.
Originally posted by Huey Adinasi
I was also taught one of the worst fairy tale lies you could ever tell a person. I was told that a black person cannot be racist. There is no such thing as a black racist. Only people of other races could be racist. But as a black person because of our oppressions and injustices dating back to slavery days. I had carte blance to hate whites with all the hate in my heart.
...my mind goes through milliseconds that seem like hours, of internal debate, rationalization and judgement.
Originally posted by SlinkyDFW
reply to post by Huey Adinasi
Huey, I really enjoyed reading your post. Very enlightening.
I want to share a 'short' story about a boy in my neighborhood. Several years ago, my young children were starting to get involved in sports, baseball mostly. I was their coach as so many of us are when they're growing up.
I remember the day when a father walked up to me and introduced his son to me. He asked if I would put him on my team with my kids. I didn't even hesitate. All the kids on the team knew him. My children knew him from school, and told me other than being real quiet, that he was a good kid.
This father is white. He's divorced and has custody of the kids. He and his wife adopted this 9 year old black boy from an orphanage when he was a baby. Their other son is several years younger and Oriental, also from an orphanage. There is no racism in this family. They live as one, daily.
The boy was eager to learn baseball, intereacted well the others, spoke very intelligently, and you could see that his father did a great job raising him. Especially keeping him free from hatred and racism.
It only took a couple of years for the boy to lose interest in sports. As he grew older and went on to middle school, you could see the changes he was going through. He had new friends, never waved anymore, always looked depressed. You just knew deep inside that his new friends were taking him down the wrong path.
Only in the past 2 or 3 years has it all turned badly. Skipping school, smoking, drugs, stealing. It all came to light after the cops left their house one night and I went down to talk to the dad. I saw what was happening, and out of concern from my own dealings with the boy, wanted to offer any help I could.
Then it went downhill. The boy (teenager now) came outside after he saw one of his friends show up in the front yard. One of his 'new' friends. You know the kind....white, thug, baggy pants sagging around his waist with his boxers showing, smoking a cigarette...basically the rapper Eminem type, no grasp of the English language...mostly Ebonics, totally disrespectful type.
The boy said he was leaving with his friend and the father told him no. That's when the he decided he was a 'man' now and decided that his father couldn't control him anymore. After an exchange of words, including some from his thug friend, his father said something that took me totally by suprise:
"You know what your acting like? You're acting like a N**ger"
Wow...from your own father. I was stunned. The boy got mad and stormed off with his friend. The dad just let him go and told me he'd deal with it later. Somehow, I think thats how he deals with everything nowadays.
This thread reminded me of this incident and now that I look back at it, I have to say that the little 9 year old that I taught how to play baseball, has gone from being a smart, well-spoken, young black man with a future, to a troubled drop out, who is going to have a really rough time in life.
I'm afraid his dad was right. Just because your skin may be black, it doens't make you a "n-word"....you can sure act like one though. That's when society will usually start to judge you.
And from where I sit, there is truly a difference, and it exists in ALL races.
Originally posted by Dukesy
reply to post by Huey Adinasi
Thank you for a great response and an open opinion and view from the front lines. I personally feel that until the black communitte gets over racism themselves it will be a long long time before any head way is made. There are issues that still exist that make no sense to white people - one of them is the civel war. Yes it was terribel and should of never happened - but how long is the black communitte going to keep throwing that in our faces? I mean when is it enough, how many times do we have to say we are sorry?
Some of the black communittee figure heads never hesitate to jump on the racism band wagon at the slightist sign of trouble - it is almost laughable sometimes. You know what I mean. Nothing will ever change for any of us until the right attitude is taken by all human beings, mutual respect and kindness toward all. Is this to much to ask?
Thanks again for your candid input - it was very good and honest. You are a good person to do so.
First, I'm just gonna clear the air. I don't believe you're "a racist." Or an "old man." You might've been in Texas, but I don't believe you're a Texan, either.
If all you’re looking for is absolution, then go and sin no more. If you’re trying to sound genuine, try harder.
Racism is a belief. It is a belief that everyone different from you is not as good as you. That’s not the same as a belief that you are better than everyone else. You might be. Some of us are. Really. But that’s not “racist.”
My point? I don’t know, really, but reading all this stilted dancing around cultural and religious and ethnic differences is so pointless it is frustrating.
Everyone identifies with a certain culture, or cultures, or blend of several. Having a “cultural identity” is NOT racist or racism. It makes you the individual you are. And the groups you hate, too.
If your belief system is flawed, what do you do? Confess? Give me a break! Ask forgiveness? Bull….! All this wasted bandwidth and what’ve you accomplished so far except a group-hug? What a pathetic waste of typing skill.
What do you do on ATS if you meet someone who’s just “got it wrong?” You EDUCATE.
If your belief system is flawed and you know it, educate yourself. Otherwise, Get over it.
Broaden your horizons and your beliefs, for Zeus’ sake!
Can’t you guys even TRY to come up with something useful after 6 pages?
Originally posted by RRokkyy
Originally posted by KSPigpen
Do you know what this thread is about? It is not about racism. Or Racialism. It is about your real question. But you dont know what your real question is. Thats the problem. Most people dont know their real question. So they look for a distraction. And there are endless distractions in this world.
I was a fringe member of a cult whose leader was perhaps the greatest spiritual teacher of all time. His chauffeur (very educated fellow who had been an assistant principal in a school) was a white guy who I was told by another insider was a racist. This didnt stop him from being the chauffeur to an Enlightened being who literally appeared to be God. And by the way he was married to a black woman.
Racism is not a spiritual problem.
I'm sure I'm not the only one that stands to benefit from a little expansion on this idea, friend.
I've done other threads here dealing with spirituality and I have received many ideas from folks. One is that the soul is independent of the mind. Is this sort of where you were going with this? Do you think that the brain makes up it's own stuff sometimes and we just have to override it? Do you think a person can force his mind to NOT think negative thoughts? Do you think that with practice, the mind will 'give up' on even coming up with the negativity to start with?
OK. Bottom line: If your belief system is flawed, what do you do? Confess? Give me a break! Ask forgiveness? Bull….! All this wasted bandwidth and what’ve you accomplished so far except a group-hug? What a pathetic waste of typing skill.