Liberalism is a belief in the importance of personal freedom. Nothing more.
Then why do the followers of Liberalism always strive to create a nanny state that both provides for everyone and controls their behavior?
Left/right is not the problem, the problem is a system that allows one class of people to rule over another.
Socialism is 'the workers ownership of the means of production'
Socialism was tried in America BEFORE THE TERM WAS COINED!! and was an utter failure.
What happened?
After the poor harvest of 1622, writes Bradford, "they began to think how they might raise as much corn as they could, and obtain a better crop." They began to question their form of economic organization.
This had required that "all profits & benefits that are got by trade, working, fishing, or any other means" were to be placed in the common stock of the colony, and that, "all such persons as are of this colony, are to have their meat, drink, apparel, and all provisions out of the common stock." A person was to put into the common stock all he could, and take out only what he needed....
The Wampanoag.... Because southern New England was thickly populated at the time, hunting grounds had strictly defined boundaries, and were passed on from father to son.
...they respected the traditions and the elders of their nation. The work of making a living was organized on a family level. Families gathered together in the spring to fish, in early winter to hunt and in the summer they separated to cultivate individual planting fields. Boys were schooled in the way of the woods, where a man’s skill at hunting and ability to survive under all conditions were vital to his family’s well being. The women were trained from youth to work diligently in the fields and around the family wetu.
Agriculture provided most of the Iroquois diet. Corn, beans, and squash were known as 'deohako' or 'life supporters'. Their importance to the Iroquois was clearly demonstrated by the six annual agricultural festivals held with prayers of gratitude for their harvests. The women owned and tended the fields under the supervision of the clan mother. Men usually left the village in the fall for the annual hunt and returned about midwinter. Spring was fishing season. Other than clearing fields and building villages, the primary occupation of the men was warfare.
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Frank Vanderlip, President of the Rockefeller-controlled First National Bank, compared Lenin to George Washington. The Rockefeller's public relations man, Ivy Lee, was used to inform Americans that the Communists were "misunderstood idealists who were actually kind benefactors of mankind."....
American and European industrialists rushed to the aid of the Russians. The International Barnsdale Corporation and Standard Oil got drilling rights; Stuart, James and Cook, Inc. reorganized the coal mines; General Electric sold them electrical equipment; and other major firms like Westinghouse, DuPont and RCA, also aided the Communists. Standard Oil of New Jersey bought 50% of their huge Caucasus oil fields and in 1927 built a large refinery in Russia. Standard Oil, with their subsidiary Vacuum Oil Co., made a deal to sell Soviet oil to European countries and even arranged to get them a $75 million loan. Today, Russia is the world's largest petroleum producer and some researchers believe that the Rockefellers still own the oil production facilities in Russia withdrawing the profits through Switzerland.
Rockefeller's Chase National Bank (later known as Chase Manhattan Bank) helped establish the American-Russian Chamber of Commerce in 1922, and its first President was Reeve Schley, a Chase Vice-President. In 1925, Chase National and PromBank (a German bank) developed a complete program to finance the Soviets raw material exports to the United States, and imports of U.S. cotton and machinery. Chase National and Equitable Trust Co. were the dominant forces in Soviet credit dealings. In 1928, Chase sold the Bolsheviks bonds in America, and was severely criticized by various patriotic groups who called them "a disgrace to America."
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These things are being told to you by capitalists
"Today I resigned from the staff of the International Monetary Fund after over 12 years, and after 1000 days of official fund work in the field, hawking your medicine and your bag of tricks to governments and to peoples in Latin America and the Caribbean and Africa. To me, resignation is a priceless liberation, for with it I have taken the first big step to that place where I may hope to wash my hands of what in my mind's eye is the blood of millions of poor and starving peoples. Mr. Camdessus, the blood is so much, you know, it runs in rivers. It dries up too; it cakes all over me; sometimes I feel that there is not enough soap in the whole world to cleanse me from the things that I did do in your name and in the name of your predecessors, and under your official seal. "
With those words, Davison Budhoo, a senior economist with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) for more than 12 years, publicly resigned in May, 1988. A native Grenadian, Budhoo received his degree from the London School of Economics. He joined the staff of the World Bank in 1966 and later shifted to the IMF, where he was responsible for designing and implementing Structural Adjustment Programs (SAPs) for African, Latin American and Caribbean nations. His 100-plus page open letter to Michel Camdessus, managing director of the IMF, titled "Enough is Enough," sent shock waves around the world, making front page headlines in many countries (but not in the US).
Budhoo was the first person to break the IMF's code of silence regarding internal affairs by exposing extensive statistical fraud carried out by the fund...
Under "structural adjustment," developing countries typically are required to devalue their currency; dramatically cut spending on social services, medical care and education; eliminate barriers to foreign multinationals and trade; privatize national assets; deregulate business; decrease wages; restrict credit and raise interest rates.
Due to the radical reorganization of national economies, people in "SAPed" countries often pay for their governments' loans with extreme poverty, hunger and disease. Using figures provided by UNICEF and UNDP, the editors of the IMF-World Bank Watchdog estimated that more than six million children under the age of five have died each year since 1982 in Africa, Asia and Latin America as a result of IMF / World Bank policies...
Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by crimvelvet
What do you mean by 'the type of Socialism'?
It either IS or it AIN'T. There is no 'type'. This is what I keep trying to explain to you. If it's not 'the workers ownership of the means of production' it AIN'T SOCIALISM. That's what socialism IS.
You are so confused with all these terms because of the way the media uses these term extremely loosely and very often incorrectly. This is why we're so messed up, the media conditioning of society into complete political and social confusion.
