I didn't realize that Thomas Jefferson was a Marxist.

There are plenty of history scholars who would dispute that divisive propaganda hit piece. .

Darn it, I took the troll bait. .

I thought it was an interesting take.
Any theories on why the media keeps racism alive and well are welcome in my book.

I'm sorry I wasted a few minutes of my life watching that...

ATS is not the place for propaganda, friend.


Liberalism is a belief in the importance of personal freedom. Nothing more.

Political Correctness is an invention of the media. It is not limited to the left or the right. All political parties, media outlets, and public figureheads are guilty of propagating it.

Oh yes the evils of the left.

Of course the right are righteous, and have never done anything bad throughout history.

Accept of course for Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, the National Front, the British Nationalist Party, The Black Dragon Society, to name just a few.

You see your 'right wing' is no different, and no better than the left.

Left or right, in their extremes can both lead to authoritarianism and totalitarianism when controlled by a minority wealthy group only concerned with self preservation. It's best to forget the left/right tags and use what works, whether it is considered left or right wing. Looking at the world in black and white is getting us nowhere.

Left/right is not the problem, the problem is a system that allows one class of people to rule over another.

Originally posted by ANOK
Of course the right are righteous, and have never done anything bad throughout history.

Just because they are called the right doesn't mean that they are correct.

You do know Karl Marx was hired to write the Communist Manifesto but that he didn't agree with it don't you?

Originally posted by grover
Just because they are called the right doesn't mean that they are correct.

You do know Karl Marx was hired to write the Communist Manifesto but that he didn't agree with it don't you?

What? Did you read my post? Try again.

Carl Marx was a fake, and has nothing to do with true socialism. I don't understand your point unless you're making assumptions about me?

Originally posted by clay2 baraka
I didn't realize that Thomas Jefferson was a Marxist.

There are plenty of history scholars who would dispute that divisive propaganda hit piece. .

Darn it, I took the troll bait. .

LMAO.... I almost took the "troll bait" too, until I read your post.
Thanks for saving me bro-

I didn't think you did.

Put simply communism as a political thought and movement predates Karl Marx and his opus Das Kapital...which is NOT an advocacy of communism...rather a very scholarly critique of capitalism and its impact on society. The communist manifesto was commissioned in 1848. While their ideas do overlap if I recall correctly he later disavowed the Communist manifesto.

First of all...I'm not going to watch the video. Obviously it's going to be hard partisan liberal bashfest.

It's quite amazing though...I can listen to left radio and hear a whole different take on how CONSERVATIVES have brought us to where we are today.

So who is right?

BOTH OF THEM.

You can't try to unite people when you attack those who call themselves conservatives and progressives because it's only words...and they will automatically take offense even if their description does not match yours.

When people start going back this far into history...that means they are REACHING...and that means we ARE ALL IN TROUBLE because they are grasping at straws.

I'm so sick of the stupid threads on ats....I usually avoid them but sometimes I can't help myself.

Thanks for posting this very intelligent retrospective of the Marxist ideologies that have been attacking our American way of life for more than a century.

Of course, this viewpoint is already under attack by the leftists among us and now there are people who are posting for no other reason than to say that they will not view the video upon which the thread is based and which should be the subject of discussion.

So, what we have in this thread is a perfect demonstration of exactly what the video is trying to relate--a perfect example of the "Critical Theory" discussed in the video.

The effort in this thread is to discredit the video and to convince others not to watch and use their own intelligence to come to their own conclusions. Then we have those who come to this thread not to discuss the topic, but to declare that they refuse to watch the video and to encourage others to not watch the video, either.

Now, if you were to disagree with the content of the video and to offer up your own facts to disprove the conclusions of the author, that would be engaging in a discussion.

But, what we have here is an attempt to discredit the messenger and to convince others that the message is corrupt and therefore not worthy of one's time.

I would say to those who come to this thread to watch the video. Listen to the facts and the conclusions and to make your own minds up as to the validity of the message.

I will say to you that I spent more than a decade studying among those whom the video warns us about and that I learned their methods and their "narrative" and I know that there is truth to be found in that video.

In fact, the video helped me to tie together some facts that I was aware of but had not yet synthesized.

Thank you, I_am_Spartacus, for having posted a cogent and fecund subject for an ATS political discussion.

Let us view the video and then let us observe and analyze the behavior of those who post here in the context of that video.

I think that there is much to learn.

[edit on 2009/10/6 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
now there are people who are posting for no other reason than to say that they will not view the video upon which the thread is based and which should be the subject of discussion.

So, what we have in this thread is a perfect demonstration of exactly what the video is trying to relate--a perfect example of the "Critical Theory" discussed in the video.

The video was amazing by itself, but then to come back to this thread and see Critical Theory in action was just an affirmation that the points he made were quite valid. He was absolutely correct. There is no rebuttal, no counter evidence or alternative plan. Just criticism because this video doesn't fit "the narrative".

The effort in this thread is to discredit the video and to convince others not to watch and use their own intelligence to come to their own conclusions.

Exactly. I'm going to second that motion. Please, whatever you do, do not watch this video. If you do, you'll only learn more about a fantastic conspiracy theory and an attempt to bring about a one world government through class warfare and disenfranchisement.

Originally posted by StinkyFeet
Then why do the followers of Liberalism always strive to create a nanny state that both provides for everyone and controls their behavior?

I think that many miss this point. They just see that their needs are being provided for and miss the fact that while they're settling for needs they could be reaching for their desires. It's settling for good when there is better.

Socialist like to paint capitalism as a system of greed and corruption, and theirs as a model of freedom. The truth is however, the more you let someone help you, the less you're able to do yourself. What if I convinced you to give up your car and let me drive you to work every day. Just think. No car payments, no insurance, no worrying about the price of gas. I could take you to work, school, and to the grocery store. Just set up a schedule and I'll take care of all your transportation needs.

It sounds like utopia until the first time you get a spontaneous urge go somewhere. Then you find that you can't because I'm either busy shuttling other people or just don't feel like driving you when it's not a scheduled event. Only then do you realize that I haven't given you freedom from automobile headaches. What I've done is stripped away your freedom to come and go as you want. The illusion of freedom only existed so long as your agenda matched mine. The moment our agenda varies from the herd, all these perks and helps from the nanny state are revealed to be chains instead of pretty bracelets.

Thanks for an interesting video Sparticus.
The most disturbing part of this is the childish refusal of '' liberals'' to watch the thing, yet come on here saying how awful it is.
Nothing like a good, informed debate is there ?
I must remember to say " Nah, rubbish " when someone asks my opinion on a book that i haven't even read.
Unbelievable.

Originally posted by ukmadmax
Thanks for an interesting video Sparticus.
The most disturbing part of this is the childish refusal of '' liberals'' to watch the thing, yet come on here saying how awful it is.
Nothing like a good, informed debate is there ?
I must remember to say " Nah, rubbish " when someone asks my opinion on a book that i haven't even read.
Unbelievable.

That's another part of the dementia of so called "liberalism", the "left" or whatever name you want to call this horde. They are JUST right, because they think so. NO facts, no evidence, no proof, they just ARE and if you don't see the world as they do you are an idiot. I think the psychologists that have labeled this a mental disorder may be correct.

Originally posted by ANOK
Of course the right are righteous, and have never done anything bad throughout history.

Where exactly does the OP or the Video make such a claim?

Accept of course for Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, the National Front, the British Nationalist Party, The Black Dragon Society, to name just a few.

Where exactly does the OP or the Video endorse such utterly oppressive organizations?

You see your 'right wing' is no different, and no better than the left.

So rather than discussing the issues raised in the video (critical theory, the frankfurt school, media-manipulation, the vilification of America), lets just point to a few fascists and the case is closed?

Left/right is not the problem

Both the Facism you pointed out and the Marxism and its spawns are among the biggest problems we face as a Planet today. They are mindsets that act like pollutant viruses weakening the structure of everything we hold dear.

[edit on 8-10-2009 by Skyfloating]