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Iran Nukes? Exlpain to me why this is a bad idea

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posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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reply to post by Missing Blue Sky
 


I think you are right that the IAEA is useless.

Israel has used it to help center attention on Iran. North Korea, a country I consider a much more dangerous situation has already obtained nukes, but is now seemingly ignored. If anyone would actually use a nuke, it would be NK.

I think you are right that these countries are being hypocritical. I just wish those countries would disarm rather then Iran having a need to arm itself. But, as long as countries like Israel have nukes, I can't see how these countries can argue effectively against the idea of Iran obtaining them.




posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by lightchild
reply to post by Dorian Soran
 


Hi Dorian Soran,

I am sorry if I upset you or hurt your feelings, this wasn't my intention.

I wasn't mocking you. I just thought it was ironic that you had a list of what I understand to be mainly untrue, then you told someone to deny ignorance.

So as you have made this accusations please can you back them up?
This will then educate myself and others on this thread and reduce the level of ignorance.

But I will admit you were correct about the hostages; but the USA government did start a coup that overthrew the Iranian government.

Thank in advance,

Simon


You did not upset me, its just simply what I wrote was true and you tried denying so I will do the work for you as you have asked - I will provide links of truth for you as to what I said.

1. No proof he (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) is crazy - but listen to him speak sometime - there is your proof brother.

2. (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad)Denies the holocaust
news.bbc.co.uk...

3.He (Mahmoud Ahmadinejad) hates the west
www.examiner.com...

4.(Mahmoud Ahmadinejad)Wants to wipe Israel off the map
www.informationclearinghouse.info...

5. You already admitted was true.

Thanks,

Dorian Soran
The Good Doctor!

PS as I re-read this I realized that the main problem with Iran is

1. Islamic extremists

and

2,Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Get rid of those 2 things from Iran and maybe we could have meaningful dialog.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 01:42 PM
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First I have to say that I feel the O.P. is just trying to start a U.S./Israel bashing thread. I say this because I truly feel that every DECENT person in this crazy world of ours understands why Iran should NOT have nuclear weapons.
I will NEVER understand those who feel that just because the U.S., Britain, etc. have nukes that EVERY other country should be able to have them as well. Apparently these terrorist "ass kissing" philosophers think that they wouldn't be in the crosshairs of these lunatics like the rest of the free world. WRONG. Iran has made its threats VERY clear to this world. If the rest of the FREE world doesn't keep planet destroying nukes out of their hands, then WHO will!



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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to be honest with you i find more truth in irans presidens speeches then most peoples rants here.

can you your self prove him wrong from what he´s said in these "controversial" speeches ?

www.youtube.com...



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Actually, the US deploying warheads in Europe (or the then-USSR doing likewise) wasn't, in itself, a violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. The treaty doesn't restrict the deployment of nuclear weapons by powers that already have them. What it does is prevent them from passing the technology to build nuclear weapons to nations that don't already have the technology. In other words, it would've been perfectly fine (from the standpoint of the Non-Proliferation Treaty) for the USSR to deploy nuclear weapons in Yugoslavia, if the weapons were kept under the USSR's control. Had they sold the Yugoslavian government the equipment or material to make their own weapons, though, that would've been a violation.

As for Iran and nuclear weapons, I really don't like the idea. Is it "fair" for the US and / or the other nuclear powers to say "You can't have what we already have"? Perhaps not, but in all honesty, I got over the delusion that the world was a 'fair' place when I was six. The fact is that Iran doesn't have any real strategic need for nuclear weapons. The only nation that's attacked them in the last 20 years isn't a threat at this point, and Israel, for all its status on ATS as the Root and Seed of All Evil in the Middle East, doesn't seem to have started many wars in recent memory either. It might have something to do with the fact that, nuclear weapons or not, the entire country is within range of a couple of well-placed artillery batteries.

I might feel better about Iran's nuclear program if it wasn't an endless source of surprises, most of them unpleasant, concerning rates of uranium enrichment, and / or the existence of fabrication / enrichment facilities that have not as yet been inspected by international authorities.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Dorian Soran
I will list some reason as to WHY Iran should NOT have nuclear waepons.

1. Crazy man at the helm

2. Denies the holocaust happened ( shows the thought process )

3. HATES the west ( you and me buddy )

4. Wants to wipe a nation off the map ( nukes are a good way to complete that task )

5. President was a member of the radicals that took Americans hostage in '79

Did I mention the regime HATES the west and therefore all of the wests allies ( nations close enough to hit with a nuke from Iran )

That covers SOME of the reasons.

Dorian Soran


1) The Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei is the HMFIC in Iran.
2) A man expresses an opinion about history, wow.
3) If you say so.
4) Never said anything about wiping, dis proven dozens of times.
5) 1979?, time to get over it


Parts of Israel are the holiest of holy to Muslims.. and said Muslims want their dirt back from the Israeli govt. Nuking the dirt, and buildings on the dirt, is counter productive if you want the dirt & buildings back... who wants radio active glow in the dark dirt that will kill you? that has no buildings?

Iran nuking Israel makes zero sense.

"WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century
www.mohammadmossadegh.com...

Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by Brother Stormhammer
Actually, the US deploying warheads in Europe (or the then-USSR doing likewise) wasn't, in itself, a violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty


So...when - for example the Italians - who have up to 40 B61 bombs stored at Ghedi Torre, and up to 50 stored at Aviano, take one out of the stores, and fit it to their specially adapted Panavia Tornadoes, flown by Italian Pilots which parts of the planes, and the pilots, are wholly indigenous to the USA and ensures the bombs can't be used by anyone else, thus ensuring they comply with the proliferation requirements?



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 04:35 PM
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because the United States wants to control all the oil over thier and if they get nukes we can't control them anymore and next Venasala is next sorry about spelling thier is a video on you tube from a man that says what the NWO plan is and I will try to find it and post it to hear it for yourself.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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this guy in the video says he worked for the nwo and he will explain about Iran and more. kind of scary I was freaked out when I saw it but that was before I really got into conspiracy theorys.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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sorry forgot video here you go

www.youtube.com...



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Dorian Soran
I will list some reason as to WHY Iran should NOT have nuclear waepons.

1. Crazy man at the helm

2. Denies the holocaust happened ( shows the thought process )

3. HATES the west ( you and me buddy )

4. Wants to wipe a nation off the map ( nukes are a good way to complete that task )

5. President was a member of the radicals that took Americans hostage in '79

Did I mention the regime HATES the west and therefore all of the wests allies ( nations close enough to hit with a nuke from Iran )

That covers SOME of the reasons.

Dorian Soran


First let me state for the record. what is a person who hates Persians called... well I severly dislike Persians, the way they conduct business,
person to person affairs... lets just say we dont mix.. oil and vinegar...

but I also find myself at odds with your post...
your
1. Crazy men at the helm... ok, what business is it of yours...?
2. I two have seen evidence that points to such a conclusion...?
3. Actually, you are incorrect, he loves Americans, he just hates what we hate - our corrupt Government.
4. well, If the USS Liberty did not occur - I would agree with you... but it did.. ask me to push the button and I would...
5. and basically that is why I dislike persians, and I stood up and joined for that event... plus, 3 more cuz, it was over before I got out of school.
6. they have every right to Nuke us, If there was ever a just enemy of America it would be IRAN, not because our people have done them wrong - it was the British and American Governments through their greedy actions have placed us in Harms Way. Americans the People are still beloved the world over and will probably always be. however with IRAN we violated their Soveriegnty way back in 1953. when a new agency used false propoganda to change a government and well, the TV can make you think any way they want you too. they just ignore what they dont want you to know... because if you knew you might worry...

Are you willing to give little bobby smith from the blue house on the corner, for your drum beating. how about your brothers son..? or Charleston, SC. or say New York... at what price is this war worth..?
to American People what are we getting - a chance to die.. ? for what...?
communism, socialism, facsism... well, we got issues right here and now.
we have two wars going on right now, 9-10 years and still growing, you do know WWII was only 5 years and WWI was only what 3 or 4..>? Vietnam the 10,000 day war. cant you see the line of manure or are you so dense you got to step into it before you say Oh ~Sh*ite .
Sir, you win FOXES viewer of the week award, you bought it hook line and sinker,. IMHO


[edit on 5-10-2009 by Anti-Evil]



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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deleted double post...?

[edit on 5-10-2009 by Anti-Evil]



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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Iran does need nuclear energy





Rapid growth in Iran's domestic energy demand and its dependence on oil exports for revenue has forced it to consider alternative future energy solutions.

Iran's strong case for nuclear power is obscured by UN sanctions and geopolitics


[G]iven Iran’s ongoing energy struggles, it makes sense, both economically and from an energy point of view, for the country to be pursuing nuclear power. Why? Iran simply doesn’t have enough gas production to increase its electricity production in the short term. It does, however, have a surfeit of uranium.

Iran Stuck in Neutral: Energy Geopolitics Hinder Iran’s Oil and Gas Industry’s Development


Ford's team commended Iran's decision to build a massive nuclear energy industry, noting in a declassified 1975 strategy paper that Tehran needed to "prepare against the time -- about 15 years in the future -- when Iranian oil production is expected to decline sharply."

Estimates of Iran's oil reserves were smaller then than they are now, but energy experts and U.S. intelligence estimates continue to project that Iran will need an alternative energy source in the coming decades. Iran's population has more than doubled since the 1970s, and its energy demands have increased even more.

Past Arguments Don't Square With Current Iran Policy


A recent article in Foreign Policy journal noted:

Iran is the second-largest oil producer in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries [OPEC] and has the world's second-largest natural gas reserves. But its energy needs are rising faster than its ability to meet them. Driven by a young population and high oil revenues, Iran's power consumption is growing by around 7% annually, and its capacity must nearly triple over the next 15 years to meet projected demand. Where will the electricity come from?

Since 1995, when the sector was opened to a handful of foreign companies, Iran has added 600,000 barrels per day to its crude production, enough to offset depletion in aging fields, but not enough to boost output, which has stagnated at around 3.7 million barrels per day since the late 1990s. Almost 40% of Iran's crude oil is consumed locally. If this figure were to rise, oil revenues would fall, spelling the end of the strong economic growth the country has enjoyed since 1999.

Second, as a sovereign nation Iran is entitled to make its own sovereign decisions as to how provide for its own energy needs. Under Article IV of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, member states are assured access to the benefits of civilian nuclear energy.

The fuel behind Iran's nuclear drive


The main argument of the critics of Iran’s nuclear energy program is that, due to its vast oil and gas reserves, it does not need NPPs. Yet Great Britain, Canada, and Russia, all oil exporters, rely on NPPs for a significant portion of their electricity needs. Russia’s gas reserves represent about a quarter of the world’s known reserves, and Canada exports 1.5 million bpd of oil to the United States every day; both continue to build NPPs.

By 2021, 10 percent of Iran’s electricity is to be supplied by NPPs, 20 percent by hydroelectric, 5 percent by other sources, and the remaining 60 percent by natural gas, hence eliminating Iran’s reliance on oil for generating electricity, generating significant additional income by exporting the oil and preventing environmental pollution. Currently, 19 percent of the world’s electricity is generated by NPPs, with their share reaching 27 percent by 2021. In addition, using NPPs and diverting some of the natural gas currently used for generating electricity to other uses have many externalities for Iran—benefits that arise when decisions of some economic agents affect the interests of other economic agents. Iran’s nuclear energy program will result in the development and nurturing of new and unprecedented capabilities for building technological infrastructures, as well as the cross-fertilization and diversion of nuclear-related know-how, research, and development into other industries and branches of science, such as medicine and agriculture. The added value and versatility of nuclear technology-related training will be substantial in creating a new cadre of technocrats and scientists in Iran. The added value gained by producing petrochemical products using natural gas with the jobs and industrial base that it creates, and the foreign currency income it generates, far surpass what Iran would gain by merely burning gas to generate electricity (the world’s US$500 billion petrochemical industry has been developed based on such logics).

Forced to Fuel

Few more articles for you to ponder upon:

Iran actually is short of oil - Opinion - International Herald Tribune

Energy : Iran needs nuclear power

Is Iran Building Nukes? An Analysis (Part 1)



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 11:45 PM
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Your presumption about me wanting to bash the USA or Israel could not be further from the truth. I love Israel and I love the USA. I do hope for, expect or relish the idea of a nuclear arms exchange. I am more interested in the idea which is 10 steps before that...sovereignty. I am simply asking...just because other nations think a leader is a madman, why should that nation be prohibited from defending itself with the latest and greatest in weaponry.

I know this will sound base..but imagine if your tribe had metal swords and shields, and the other tribes only had sticks and rocks, but they were determined to make their own swords and shields , too..to learn how and make it happen, then the first tribe came to them and said "Oh no...we did this first and discovered these metal swords are very lethal. You may not make any, because you are inferior to us because of your wacky beliefs." (forgive the naivete or plainness of the example, I spend a of time talking to children)

That is my point.

We have nuclear weapons ...just like swords...you can not put the genie back in the bottle, the evil has to be dealt with. That is the curse of original sin...it (evil) can not be contained-only periodically soothed. The act of telling a state they can not have nuclear weapons is an act of hostility in itself, telling a tribe they are inferior. It is hypocritical.

Just to reiterate-there was no intended ill will to the USA or Israel with this thread. It is a question of diplomatic policy.



posted on Oct, 5 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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Yes...what business is it of ours...and we have trampled the sovereignty or Iraq and Iran.

Yes...these bogus wars going on NINE Years! Why do Americans not remember World War II was won in less than 4 years? (Thanks to the Atomic Bomb...


Thank you for posting.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 12:01 AM
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December Rain,

Are you trying to tell us that Iran is actually telling the truth..they are truly simply building a nuclear "energy" program and not weaponizing it?

Could it be the media(current corrupt government) is lying to us...to get us all in a lather and make us afraid, very afraid?

Thank you so much for the insightful articles.



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
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December Rain,

Are you trying to tell us that Iran is actually telling the truth..they are truly simply building a nuclear "energy" program and not weaponizing it?

Could it be the media(current corrupt government) is lying to us...to get us all in a lather and make us afraid, very afraid?

Thank you so much for the insightful articles.


Yep all "facts" certainly point towards it including the latest media press release from IAEA, the governing body on any issue involving Nuclear activities.


Question regarding news reports by the Associated Press (mostly inaudible)

As I have said many times, and I continue to say today, the Agency has no concrete proof there is an ongoing weapons programme in Iran. There are allegations that Iran has conducted weaponization studies; however, these are issues which we are still looking into. And we are looking to Iran to help us clarify. We are looking to those suppliers of information to help us on the question of authenticity, because that is really a major issue. It is not an issue that involves nuclear material; it's a question of allegations, paper work studies, and of course the key issue there is authenticity. We are seeking clarification from Iran; we are seeking clarification from the supplier of the information. But we don't have any information that nuclear material has been used. We don't have any information that any components of nuclear weapons have been manufactured. That is why I continue to say that we are concerned but we are not in any way panicking about the Iranian nuclear programme. However, we need to continue to work with Iran to clarify these issues. This is an issue that has to do with war and peace, and the Agency has to work on the basis of fact and facts only.

On the other question that the Agency has information that has been withheld, and that there is information which has (not) been shared with the Board: this is maybe for the hundredth time that I have been saying and the Agency has been saying that this is totally baseless, totally groundless.

All information that we have received that has been vetted, assessed in accordance with our standard practices, has been shared with the Board. If any country has more information that they would like to share with us or with the Board, they are welcom to do that. But we stand by our statement that all information that has been corroborated, assessed, critically assessed, has been shared with the Board and on the basis of that I make my statement that we have no concrete evidence that Iran has an ongoing programme. There are concerns by the international community and we are working on these. But there is a difference between concern and a statement that Iran has an ongoing weapons programme. As to the pressure, I think our record throughout the years -- including before the Iraq war, when we made it very clear that we had not seen any evidence that Iraq had revived its nuclear weapons programme, despite a lot of allegations and assumptions -- I think that our record
speaks for itself.

Source: www.iaea.org...


About the corrupt govt. I cannot answer but I have already Debunked the "media source" on this thread. Please have a look;

Debunking NY Times-Iran Report



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 08:37 AM
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dorian...who for you is behind the 9/11 attacks??



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by heineken
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dorian...who for you is behind the 9/11 attacks??


Please do not try to steer away the subject matter of a thread in the "General Conspiracy Discussion" area by asking a question that belongs in the "9/11 forum"

You can go into that forum anytime and see what my thoughts on 9/11 are - please do not try and make this about 9/11 its about Iran having nukes - and the 2 topics ARE PRETTY FAR APART FROM ONE ANOTHER - lets not try to confuse the 2.

Thanks,

Dorian Soran
The Good Doctor

[edit on 6-10-2009 by Dorian Soran]



posted on Oct, 6 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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Just want to add not only Iran, the above links that I posted about why Iran needs nuclear energy are from different Independent Bodies and sources, may I add in West of the Planet not in Iran.



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