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Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by A Fortiori
Cameras don't prevent crime? You have some stupid criminals where you are at.
By the way, I was talking about your everyday citizen videotaping and taking your pic everyday without you knowing.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by dizzie56
My question is, is it worth having something that will end up helping convict people and also curbs some crime for losing more and more privacy and being told what to do?
My answer to your question as stated would be a resounding NO! But the question is faulty, as no one is talking about losing privacy or being told what to do.
Having cameras on public streets does not translate to "losing privacy". I'm all for privacy. I support it strongly. But public streets aren't private. And we cannot just do whatever we want to do. That would be chaos.
Could this idea be taken advantage of? Yes. But that's where we must draw the line, not at the installations of the cameras to keep crime down.
£400 million ($668 million) will be spend on installing and monitoring CCTV cameras in the homes of private citizens. Why? To make sure the kids are doing their homework, going to bed early and eating their vegetables. The scheme has, astonishingly, already been running in 2,000 family homes.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Maybe not here and not yet, but all you have to do is look at the UK to see the slippery slope and logical conclusion to all the cameras.
The latest thing in the UK is that the government is forcing some people to put cameras in their homes.
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£400 million ($668 million) will be spend on installing and monitoring CCTV cameras in the homes of private citizens. Why? To make sure the kids are doing their homework, going to bed early and eating their vegetables. The scheme has, astonishingly, already been running in 2,000 family homes.
No matter what the government claims their "good reasons" are, any of you really want to see that here in the U.S.?
[edit on 10/5/2009 by centurion1211]
Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by A Fortiori
"The everyday citizen has no ability to curtail my freedom. "
How is having a camera on the corner curtailing your freedom?
How can one abuse a tape of you walking down the street?
Originally posted by centurion1211
The latest thing in the UK is that the government is forcing some people to put cameras in their homes.
article
UPDATE: Further research shows that the Express didn’t quite have all its facts straight. This scheme is active, and the numbers are fairly accurate (if estimated), but the mentions of actual cameras in people’s homes are exaggerated. The truth is that the scheme can take the most troublesome families out of their homes and move them, temporarily, to a neutral, government-run compound. Here they will be under 24-hour supervision. CCTV cameras are not specifically mentioned, not are they denied, but 24-hour “supervision” certainly doesn’t rule this out from the camera-loving Brits.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by centurion1211
The latest thing in the UK is that the government is forcing some people to put cameras in their homes.
article
From your source:
UPDATE: Further research shows that the Express didn’t quite have all its facts straight. This scheme is active, and the numbers are fairly accurate (if estimated), but the mentions of actual cameras in people’s homes are exaggerated. The truth is that the scheme can take the most troublesome families out of their homes and move them, temporarily, to a neutral, government-run compound. Here they will be under 24-hour supervision. CCTV cameras are not specifically mentioned, not are they denied, but 24-hour “supervision” certainly doesn’t rule this out from the camera-loving Brits.
Read your own source.
[edit on 5-10-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]
Originally posted by centurion1211
I don't care what the government rationale is for putting cameras in people homes,
IMO, you seem far to ready to excuse almost anything and everything based on terribly weak excuses such as "the other guy did it, too",
Originally posted by centurion1211
It is incomprehensible to me that anyone here cannot see the danger in allowing the government to put cameras in our homes.
Families will not be monitored by CCTV in their own homes. Through Family Intervention Projects (FIPs) we are supporting and challenging the small number of families involved in persistent anti-social behaviour. FIP workers spend time observing families in their own homes, helping them to recognise that their anti-social behaviour is unacceptable. They focus on the causes of their behaviour, and challenge them to make changes so they can turn their lives around. A very small number of families who need further intensive support are placed in residential units with project workers living with them – this does not involve CCTV.
Originally posted by centurion1211
It is incomprehensible to me that anyone here cannot see the danger in allowing the government to put cameras in our homes. That you cannot take the next logical step and realize that while the reasoning might make sense to you today, especially since it's being done to someone else, it is not a far reach to imagine not too far down the road some bureaucrats deciding that something YOU are doing now qualifies for monitoring - until we all have cameras.